My generation didn't do the green thing.

a reply to: gentledissident

It's going to take something cleverer than old folks' homes to solve the ancient problem of few enslaving many. Trashing the planet seems to be a byproduct of this greed; whatever it takes.

Quit blaming "them."

a reply to: Greathouse

It is good to read about how things were done in the past to remember some of the old ways of recycling, and especially notice how much plastic (like plastic bottled water, plastic grocery bags, plastic soda bottles) use has exploded.

I think it was a bit off the mark to suddenly insult people with tattoos and piercings, though.

a reply to: darkbake

How about their music? Is that ok?

a reply to: iDope

The older generation caused the economic crisis that resulted in an abysmal job market for the older millennials. The millennials that I know have college educations but aren't able to find good work, if any! They know about math and computers but aren't able to put those skills to use! The jobs that are available are ones like Wal-Mart and McDonalds that don't pay a living wage.

The other jobs are being shipped overseas not due to a lack of talent here, but due to an opportunity to take advantage of cheap labor prices in poor countries.

a reply to: Phage

I've been listening to a lot of The Beatles lately. I'm not as much of a fan of the pop stuff that shows up on Oldies stations, but I'm learning that there was a pretty cool rock scene that isn't played as much on the radio.

a reply to: darkbake

The older generation caused the economic crisis that resulted in an abysmal job market for the older millennials.

Greed, fraud, and malfeasance are not generational issues. And it wasn't just millenials who were damaged.

The millennials that I know have college educations but aren't able to find good work, if any!

None of them?

As a side note, it seems like if you want to earn a living these days, you have to get your masters or doctorate.

Or start your own business. With crowd sourcing and whatnot, it seems that opportunity is actually quite rampant. Of course, you do need to have an idea. On the other hand, old standbys like general contracting can still be pretty effective money machines.

Scary, but if you're young you've got time to pick up the pieces. More than once.

a reply to: darkbake

I've been listening to a lot of The Beatles lately. I'm not as much of a fan of the pop stuff that shows up on Oldies stations, but I'm learning that there was a pretty cool rock scene that isn't played as much on the radio.

Beatles were wonderful.
I tend to go for R&B. The more electric the better. With a tinge of psychedelic. Airplane. Byrds.

a reply to: darkbake

The part in highlight was part of the letter from the source. The part below those were my words meant in humor. I know I'm a little grumpy and hardheaded.................

The highlighted part also expresses my opinion. Of course anyone that's interacted with me realizes that. Lol

I also told one player poster.

"GET OF MY LAWN"!!!!

Yep another joke.

"Back in my day" - and I was born in 1971 - we most certainly "did the green thing." We just called it the "Earth-conscious" thing, or some-such.
I remember my Mom hand-washing my baby sisters' cloth diapers, and bringing reusable bags to the grocery story.
And turning off lights in empty rooms. And turning off the TV. And supporting Solar, and protesting Nuclear energies.
And not wasting water, and buying economical cars.

Today you have to have somthing googleable to be a "thing," - oh, and yea, it has to be a "thing."

While I admit to occasionally being slightly baffled by what goes in the Blue-Bin and what belongs in the Black-Bin, I did plant literally over 120,000 trees. ...and I did get my parents to stop throwing the full litter-bag out the window out of a moving car.

But...

The world did not suddenly go green in a single generation. Several progressive steps have been made over recent decades in the developed world. Sadly "being Green" is largely tied to cultural affluence. Emerging economies today are some of the worst offenders of polluting the world. It is not enough for this generation the Western World to clean up it's own act since - demographically - we are insignificant polluters today.

We must continue our efforts, but cleaning up our own act is not enough. If everyone in Canada, Iceland and Switzerland were as Green as possible it will be meaningless unless we cant get India and China to stop use wood burning stoves for heating and cooking. By shifting our pollution offshore our efforts will amount to little more than pissing yourself in dark pants...

a reply to: KAOStheory

Your post made me reflect a little back to when I was a kid. My parents were organic farmers up til the late '80's. it wasn't called "organic" farming back then, they said it was just "old-school farming". Everything was planted & harvested by hand (including by wee me) The cows & chickens & pigs weren't pumped full of growth hormones & anti-biotics & ate more than just "fatten them up" corn. Actually, they didn't get any corn at all, they were free-range grazers from what i remember, save for the pigs who usually got our dinner leftovers.
Crops weren't fertilized with chemicals, it was all done with composted organic matter (food the pigs wouldn't even eat, veggies that rotted off the plant for whatever reason, plant trimmings, cow poop, chicken poop, etc) Organic farming is making a huge comeback, but for some reason, people think it's a new "green" thing. No, not exactly. It's just old-school farming the way it used to be for a very, very long time before we started using artificial ferts & chemical pesticides on everything.

originally posted by: Infinitis
a reply to: Greathouse

The older generation designed and built the world of escalators, and waste that children live in today. Just because the old lady lived a less wasteful world as a child means nothing - because her generation grew up and designed this mechanical world of waste.

This is a very misleading message. The "green thing" is a last resort now that our world has been put on this 'development' path, it's the best our generation can do. How does the way the world existed before the older generation destroyed it justify her unwillingness to care about the environment now?

The private financiers promoted and enabled the world of waste. Just as they are now promoting supposedly green technologies that frequently waste massive amounts of energy before breaking down, if they ever worked in the first place.

The oil/coal/nuclear nightmare has created a sense of entitlement. Attempts to replace the entitled lifestyle of oil/coal/nuclear with an entitled lifestyle depending on high tech 'green' technology are doomed to failure.

Using less is the only way to be truly green.

This is the worst fake green project I've encountered. www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Greathouse

Soon to be 28, and I love your post! My family is old school, my Dad would love this post. We use fallen twigs and branches as kindling for fire wood, we use coal and wood stoves instead of electric heat, and the one thing we aren't green about, is our cars. IDC how green cars are, I want a 900HP car because you only live once as far as we know. However, "the green thing" is just a front. Do you think these multi-billion dollar companies care about the environment???? They destroy the environment and then blame the consumer. They want us to "be green" because it saves them money in manufacturing, and disposing. Example, KFC now goes boneless. Do you know why!? Because it costed them more money to dispose the bones.

In my hometown, there is a bottling plant that is privately owned, and they still do bottling of soda the old way, using old machines and glass bottles, and when the bottles are returned you get money back. Dr. Pepper/Big Reds is suing them, look it up, but it's a big corporation trying to shut down a mom and pop shop, just to give the big company more customers. The same company that sells sugar water for twice as much. May be off subject but it comes full circle, if you understand what I mean.

When I was a kid if the label said made in China we knew it was junk.
Now you can't find a label that says made in the USA.
Now you know where all the jobs went.
As for the green thing, do you remember:
Having patches sown on the knees of your pants when they wore out?
Working on a farm as a kid?
Hunting and fishing to help feed your family?
Wearing hand me downs from my older brother that he got from our older cousin!

More than anything products were made to last, quality mattered and customer service did not mean waiting on hold for 30 minutes.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I've got an old 70's Curtis Mathis console TV I got it out of storage for my man cave and it still works like a charm. Do you know who convinced me to buy it?



Paul Harvey........... Good Day

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Greathouse

We started cleaning the stuff up in the 70s without all the whining and crying and bitching too .

That's not the 70s I remember.

www.google.com...

You didn't see the crying Indian commercial?
You're not as old as I thought even for a Pogo fan.

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: Asktheanimals

I've got an old 70's Curtis Mathis console TV I got it out of storage for my man cave and it still works like a charm. Do you know who convinced me to buy it?



Paul Harvey........... Good Day

I listened to his show every day when I could pick up an AM station in my truck.
Roachpruf. It works, and that's the rest of the story.
Yup, I bought stuff on his recommendation too.
And it always worked as promised!

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Iron eyes Cody he was born in Louisiana and was 100% Italian. Don't you just love the media? (Sigh)

At least somethings never change?

Old times had many things better than these days but some things are the same and some even worse.

a reply to: paraphi
100% agree with you, the so called green thing is only a green thing when it suits those making profits or those with hidden agenders. The supermarket or grocery store would save lots of money that it would otherwise spend on plastic bags that they generally give to customers for free if they could convince people not to use them. They could also make money by selling customers a more green friendly bag to carry their groceries. One of the most enviromentally friendly products hemp in many countries is banned or restricted with substitute products coming from the enviromentally damaging petro chemical industry. Hemp makes great shopping bags that are reusable Hemp can also be used for clothing, building materials, fuel, rope and many other products. The enviromentally damaging petro chemical industry is one of the main supporters of anti hemp legislation in many countries and supports polititions that want to keep hemp products illegal. If polititions and businesses really cared about the enviroment they would legalise hemp and would encourage us to go back to using glass bottles which could be recycled instead of plastic bottles which contain toxins for the human body as well as the enviroment. Glass also keeps our drinks fresher and does not dilute the taste. When travelling short distances and not needing to carry much push bike use should be much more encouraged as with a decent modern push bike it is not that much slower than a car over short distances.