Not guilty verdict. Will rage in Cleveland ignite ?

a reply to: Skid Mark

LMAO!!! Yah it was odd, but all worked out man. Thanx!!

a reply to: Greathouse

Wow, that smells like a conspiracy to me, 137 rounds pumped into unarmed individuals, and nobody is convicted of anything?
From the little I know of it, I could certainly understand much anger in the local community, I just hope it does not spill into violence. The average citizen seems always to come off worse when the cops get their military gear on with support from the National Guard.
Troubling times for sure.

a reply to: Greathouse

Over 100 rounds were fired into the car by him and other officers.

In order to make sure they were dead.

Verdict? Not excessive at all.

Case "closed" (insert gavel sound).

Now the cops paranoia increases a little, the population there seethes a little more. Case is not "closed" by a long shot.

Maybe the intent is to have inner cities where there are large Black populations destroyed from upheaval so that these certain city centers can be re-built. Out goes the large Black population(s), in comes new residents after the re-building and up goes the property value to keep any poor people out. Hook, line, sinker.......

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Greathouse

Over 100 rounds were fired into the car by him and other officers.

In order to make sure they were dead.

Verdict? Not excessive at all.

Case "closed" (insert gavel sound).

Now the cops paranoia increases a little, the population there seethes a little more. Case is not "closed" by a long shot.

Well said!!!!

To the people of Cleveland the case is not closed. If they slow walk the Tamri Rice case people will even become more suspicious of the motivation of the judicial system in Cleveland.

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: buster2010
Yet another killer get away with killing unarmed people just because he wears a badge. It looks like we can add your car backfiring to the list of things the pigs can kill you for and it will be justified.

You have a point, but you cannot lump them all together. There are good cops out there.

I know there good cops out there but where are they? Why aren't they speaking out against the actions of these cops.

a reply to: Greathouse

But in this case I couldn't see how they could hold the single officer guilty of both murders.

Because he was on the hood of the car and could clearly see that they were both injured and unarmed but proceeded to empty his rifle into them.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: buster2010
Yet another killer get away with killing unarmed people just because he wears a badge. It looks like we can add your car backfiring to the list of things the pigs can kill you for and it will be justified.

You have a point, but you cannot lump them all together. There are good cops out there.

I know there good cops out there but where are they? Why aren't they speaking out against the actions of these cops.

Therein lies the problem.
The blue line needs to be torn down. I've always been a proponent of police losing immunity to civil prosecution. Your average citizen can be sued for their actions why not the police?

I believe that the police knew they could be held accountable civilly they would adjust their conduct accordingly. As it is now the city covers any suit.

There have been some exceptions to civil immunity, but to get a civil verdict against a police officer is rarer than getting a criminal conviction.

a reply to: buster2010

No because in the females body there were 49 bullets in it. It's kind of difficult to tell which one was fatal. They should've all been held accountable or whoever was in charge.

originally posted by: Greathouse
I've always been a proponent of police losing immunity to civil prosecution. Your average citizen can be sued for their actions why not the police?

What? Is that true?! I'm quite shocked again to be honest. In the UK people do and often win in civil court action against the police. There is no immunity for them here, and if the criminal courts do not see a case because they are tried "beyond reasonable doubt", citizens can seek justice (and often win) through the civil court which decides on "balance of probabilities" which is a lesser standard of evidence.
Police immunity? Wow.

a reply to: grainofsand

In the US the immunity only applies to the police officer. You can still sue and win against the municipality.

a reply to: buster2010

empty his rifle into them

Everybody follow this informed individuals lead. After all it was a handgun not a rifle.

Will there be rage in Cleveland over this? Of course there will.

Why? Because people are stupid.

Were these people killed because they were black? In part perhaps.

Are inner city police justified in their fear of black criminals? Absolutely.

Cleveland is one of the most run down crappy cities in the whole country. The poor wittle criminals and the drug addicted hippie libtards can burn it to the ground for all I care.

Maybe the ashes will fill the potholes.

So a traffic violation turned chase leads to an almost machine gunning death equals a get out of jail fre card. Of COURSE you KNEW the nonjury trial would end in a not guilty verdict.

Cant say I'm suprised in the least.
Not suprised either he was the only one thrown under the bus in all this either

Big trouble will only happen if and when "Agents Provocateurs" get involved from well funded special interest groups.

Cleveland is another "success" story it seems.

a reply to: Greathouse

Probably not... a lot of basketball on now. Watch out for the riots when its the doldrums of sports in June.

Maybe the employed socially conscience citizens o Cleveland will just take a 3 week pass and pick it up then over this travesty.

71 arrest yesterday. But the protest were mainly peaceful from what I saw. I like the way the mayors handling the mayors office told everyone "just go about with your daily business" and no curfews. At least CNN isn't doing 24 hour news coverage.

originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: Greathouse


I know there good cops out there but where are they? Why aren't they speaking out against the actions of these cops.

The thing is, the few cops that DO come forward face severe harassment for crossing that Blue Line, some get no back up when they enter dangerous situations, to the point where it's tantamount to murder. In effect, this teaches later whistleblowers to not come forward themselves for fear of what will happen to them, or their own family if they're not around to keep them safe. They now have to weigh the cost of coming forward. Is it worth the risk of dying, or losing their jobs? I don't know how often this continues. I'm sure some counties, some cops can come forward and yes, they can clean the department up, but that's the ideal, and probably not the norm.

a reply to: Greathouse
I find that folks who have decided that they don't want violence from the 'underclasses' are worthless as revolutionaries or even system over-haulers.

The Elite does not care about US as long as we are relatively quiet. The only time ANY MAJOR CHANGE comes about is when they are truly threatened.

It's part of our war mongering history that violence is effective for TPTB.

Why not for US?