What IF It Were True?

What IF It Were True?

Ancient beings existed at one time and we know this because history tells us. What is history? A conglomeration of facts and eyewitness accounts written by someone, somewhere, sometime that have been passed along from generation to generation.

Facts that have been processed as truth and transcribed by various civilizations are very difficult to verify, not to mention the translation of such accounts from languages far from understood by those doing the translating.

Sumerian text can not be translated in English accurately because there is no way to verify anything. Just because it was, does not make it true. Of course, Sumerian is not the only language that has been translated and bounced about as being fact. There are dozens of ancient text that have been translated and none of them can actually be verified as being the truth.

Not all of them pertain to religion, but a great deal of them do and are read daily and used as a way to pray in the name of some fictitious god by various religious sects. All of these religions claim theirs is the truth. How is that possible? It is not feasible for all of them to be true.

Religion is not the only subject bandied about to be fair. There are many other subjects translated over time that have been passed along as being historically accurate and yet they too are based on non-verifiable facts. One such subject is visitation from alien beings; there is even a television series that calls itself Ancient Aliens.

Ancient Aliens does not come out and say, this is the truth, they simply say, "What if it were?" the truth. They spend much time with various cultures, looking at ancient monuments, reading ancient languages, making assumptions about possible ways these things came to be and possible ways to interpret the text; sometimes they overstep the boundaries by surmising and supposition, but none of what they put forth can be verified as fact.

We can agree though that there are many strange artifacts and monuments and text that leave us scratching our heads...wondering how the heck they got here and what there purpose is. What if it were true? What if we have been visited by ancient aliens for the duration of our existence on this planet? All those religions that claim to have all the answers hardly seem pertinent.

Maybe what we are seeing and reading becomes fantasy if the beings we think are gods are just us from the future using time travel to go back and check on things and make little tweaks in the DNA sequence. Maybe, this Jesus character is actually a time traveler and not the son of god? Maybe Moses was an alien from another galaxy? Maybe the pyramids are spaceships waiting to be reactivated?

My point is this...none of what we think is the truth can be verified and none of what has been put forth as truth can be verified...any number of possibilities exist and I can write a religious text and I can write a series about ancient aliens and I can claim to be the son of some god and really...you could not say with a certainty of doubt that what I do say is not true.

We still have a life to live in whatever existence we are in and we still have free will to make choices about what we do believe and a great deal of what that is comes down to faith or does it? Are you not constantly bombarded by others on what to do and how to behave? Do you have free will? Or are you bound to what others raise you to believe? History books and religious texts and preachers and teachers and politicians? There are those that want to have faith in something and cling to something as being truth when in fact what they are clinging to is a false faith and false truth based on non-verifiable facts.

You were born with the truth without ever having to be told what the truth is...that is faith, that is without blemish...the truth is you live in a man made society, bound to the rules and regulations governing this world and take what is said as fact rather than what it is.

Science is not based on truth and neither is religion, yet both will claim they are the one truth. Scientific studies are wrong all the time. Religion is based on conjecture. Having an argument about the validity of either has no merits.

Sure, you can tell me all kinds of facts about both and I will simply say to you, prove it. You will not be able to...no matter how hard you try...prove anything to me about any of the religious texts or science books that are in existence today. You will tell me about jesus on the cross, you will tell me I am going to hell for my wicked ways, you will show me ufo pictures on a cave, you will talk to me about the dinosaurs, you will tell me I am wrong about all of it...and I will tell you you are right, I am wrong about all of it. I will then turn around and say to myself...what if it were true?

With unlimited space and time, one would think we would have some real answers to at least a few of these questions. Sometime in earth's past, mainline history was lost, by what means, no one is telling. There was either one hell of a civilization on earth that vanished, or superior beings roamed this planet...or both. AA is a really interesting series, brings a lot more questions than answers like everything else, all of written words have residual questions. The Sumerians were at a point they knew the past (history) and many cultures like them were aware, but as time and powers go onward, the important things get left behind, hidden, or destroyed. I hope one day just to have real answers to just 10% of my questions. As far as proof goes, even God has not provided proof of existence, at least to me, I have read everything related and have zero proof of anything. But worry not, since you brought up AA, some self proclaimed genius will insult your intelligence and character never knowing anyone you have ever known.....keep the search for the truth on high....

Great thread! Great posts! Makes you wonder doesn't it? So many theories and mysteries that surround our past. I would love for some truths to be revealed.

a reply to: teslahowitzer

I know the truth, but I can not offer verifiable proof. I just know whatever any one religion claims to be the truth is not. I know that science is not infallible. I know there is more to our existence on this rock. I know there is a higher power than me that I am a part of. I know where I came from and where I am going, but it is not something that comes with a name or or a specific color, only that there is a frequency and velocity and an energy attached to it.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

That is one awesome post "soul"! ;-)

My thoughts exactly, but much better worded.

I have never had the mindset to believe anything. The only true form of learning and knowing is through experience. After you have had a certain amount of that, you can start to understand ideas that you haven't experienced, but are connected to past experiences in meaningful ways.



soulwaxer

originally posted by: Night Star
Great thread! Great posts! Makes you wonder doesn't it? So many theories and mysteries that surround our past. I would love for some truths to be revealed.

Yeah, I would too, but maybe we already know those truths deep inside. We carry our history in our dna.

soulwaxer

yeah, history is just a bunch of lies that wealthy, powerful, resourceful, usually white men agreed upon

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Taking into account that all religions are scams, which one do you consider to be the closest to the truth.
My bet is on zen-buddhism.
just my 2cents

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
Science is not based on truth and neither is religion, yet both will claim they are the one truth. Scientific studies are wrong all the time. Religion is based on conjecture. Having an argument about the validity of either has no merits.

Science never has and will never claim that they are "The one truth". Science isn't about truth, as it is not a philosophy or a world view. It is simply our means of attempting to explain how natural phenomena function.

Scientific studies are incorrect in their conclusions at times because science does not deal with absolute proof. It only deals with what we perceive the evidence to suggest. That suggestion is what we base our conclusions on.

Furthermore, Science doesn't deal with absolute certainty either. There is a lot of evidence that may support a theory, but in science, nothing is certain. This is due to the fact that we have no absolute knowledge. However, we can say that we know something with enough certainty that a particular phenomenon acts the way it does according to the vast amount of evidence. For instance, the Earth orbits the Sun. This is the Heliocentric Theory of The Solar System. No human has observed the solar system and seen the earth traveling in an orbit around the sun, yet we are fairly certain it does because of all the evidence that suggest that it does.

No scientist will state "This is the absolute reason and cause for [fill in the blank]" for this very reason. Science is not about absolutes. Religion is.

a reply to: Necrose

Maybe...if closeness counts, but even that has been translated and interpreted to say specific things that can not be verified as being factual.

a reply to: Ghost147

Okay Maybe I threw science under the bus too, but too many scientific theories are spoken of as being factual when they are not. Carbon dating comes to mind first and any geological information and astrology and gravity and etc. All of these subjects are taught with specific facts that are not proof or are based on information handed down that have been taken as fact that can not be verified. We only know what they tell us in history books and as we are growing up we are expected to learn these things and be tested on them when there is no way to prove the existence of most of it or how those things actually came to be.

a reply to: Night Star

Part of what makes us human is the ability to question our own existence, as souls we already know. Those mysteries will never be satisfactorily explained to us as humans because who or what are you supposed to believe? One person tells you something and another refutes it....for every explanation on why there is one on why not....ah...there in lies the rub of being trapped in a human condition....what came first the chicken or the egg? Well the egg did....no wait the chicken did or there wouldn't be an egg, but then where did the other chicken come from that created the egg with the other chicken....and so it goes.

a reply to: soulwaxer

Thanks. I am not saying to believe nothing, I am saying to question the validity of everything that can not be verified. That being said even the things you experience will be based in fact from your perspective and subjective. What we remember from our past is also clouded by our vision of the present and does not take into account our possible future decisions or past or future lives. As souls we have the ability to view each and every life we have lived are living or will live in an instantaneous moment of time, independent of this human condition. Is this the truth? It is if I believe it, but can I give you verifiable proof that I have lived many lives for many 1000's of earth years? No! Does not mean it is not the truth and there is no way for you to know it is. Also, for the record...only a few of my past lives have been here, on Earth, and in this galaxy. Also, this place was not always called Earth.

a reply to: teslahowitzer

Do you see a pattern here? Indications contrary to common orthodoxy about ancient histories (whether assisted by early ET visitors or not) are treated exactly as modern day UFO phenomena. The egos of people in power in any discipline of science and politics refuse to allow the possibility that we are a Third-rate Third World despite the growing evidence to the contrary.

Once the full proof comes, they are the ones that will suffer the most from culture shock. The average person will watch on TV the eventual revelation that we have evidence of other intelligent beings either in the UFOs or on other planets and will say, "Oh, I thought so already."

originally posted by: soulpowertothendegree
a reply to: Ghost147

Okay Maybe I threw science under the bus too, but too many scientific theories are spoken of as being factual when they are not. Carbon dating comes to mind first and any geological information and astrology and gravity and etc. All of these subjects are taught with specific facts that are not proof or are based on information handed down that have been taken as fact that can not be verified. We only know what they tell us in history books and as we are growing up we are expected to learn these things and be tested on them when there is no way to prove the existence of most of it or how those things actually came to be.

Many of those things you listed are facts and theories though. For instance, we know for a fact that gravity exists; our theory of general relativity is only our way of describing how it functions. The fact is the phenomena, the theory is just our explanation.

Science is portrayed in media very poorly and inaccurately. So I agree, a lot of it comes off as being absolute fact. However, the individuals claiming that specific things are absolute fact are not really scientists. No respectable scientist would claim something is absolute without any measure of doubt.

Carbon dating isn't 100% accurate, but no scientist claimed it was, for instance. The accuracy of carbon dating methods is something like 97% (I believe). So if something is 10,000 years old, we will be within 300 years in either direction, which is pretty damn good. Absolute certainty, no. But we don't need absolute certainty to get a general conception of things. We use carbon dating, and other methods like that, because it is pretty accurate. Coupled with other dating techniques, we can be even more accurate with our findings.

I'm glad you see how comparing religion to science is not very reasonable. However, I don't think science really applies to the concepts in your OP at all.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Alan Watts' "interpretation" in his books is the best "interpretation" I've ever read or heard... by far.

He doesn't strive you to see his vision, nor does he preach anything, he merely remarks upon paradoxes in everything.
Alan used to say:
"And it is so easy to get stuck-on the raft, on religion, on psychotherapy, on philosophy. To use another Buddhist simile: The doctrine is like a finger pointing at the moon, and one must take care not to mistake the finger for the moon.
Too many of us, I fear, watch the pointing finger of religion for comfort, instead of looking where it points."

I mean, the whole thing about regarding the universe as factual is stupid.
Looking for facts in an inconsistent world is stupid.
Even trying to define things is stupid because we merely define things by comparison. Therefore, we separate things and events. However, we have to realise there is not such thing as separate events, that everything is part of the whole.
Everything is one process, only it's pretending to be not by playing the "on-and-off" game with dualities.

Remember, we didn't come to this world, we came out of it, like a wave from the ocean.

a reply to: Ghost147

No we don't...we only know what they think and what they say and that is not truth, that is conjecture based on non-verifiable facts...all of it.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

I'm not quite sure what you're specifically responding to in my post? could you quote the direct section you're responding to?

The more I learn the less I know.

Anything could be true and everything could be wrong.

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Also, for the record...only a few of my past lives have been here, on Earth, and in this galaxy. Also, this place was not always called Earth.

Well now I'm intrigued. What have you learned of your past lives? And what was Earth called before it was Earth?