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originally posted by: olaru12
I think you should review this....expecially #5
The far-right Christian Patriarchy—brought to American audiences by the Duggar family—is on the verge of collapse after a series of alleged sex scandals involving the movement’s leaders. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar have put many years and a lot of work into putting a smiling, nearly normal-seeming face on the extreme Christian right. The couple adheres to a fringe strain of fundamentalist Christianity dubbed the “Christian patriarchy” or sometimes the “Quiverfull” movement, and while there is a lot of internal diversity to the movement, they generally preach a combination of beliefs that run counter to mainstream America: absolute female submission, a ban on dating, homeschooling, a rejection of higher education for women, and shunning of contraception in favor of trying to have as many children as humanly possible. The movement is controversial even within Christian right circles
“In other words, women within this movement are perceived to exist only for the end-goals communicated by the male leaders that perceive themselves as the ‘patriarchs’ of this world,” the lawsuit reads. The conclusion is that a woman who truly believed this—whose boss, mentor, and father figure taught her that total submission was her duty in life—was not able to effectively plot an escape from a sexually coercive relationship.
originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
The more I dig, the more disturbing the information.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog
Meh. I read about this, and I think people are making a bigger deal than this has to be. It's really no one's business at all since it happened when he was 14, a protected minor. Kids are curious and experiment, and no amount of religious upbringing is gonna change that.
This is an obvious attack that goes below the belt, in my opinion. I've got other issues and better things to complain about, within this groups agenda, than something someone did when they were 14 years old.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog
Meh. I read about this, and I think people are making a bigger deal than this has to be. It's really no one's business at all since it happened when he was 14, a protected minor. Kids are curious and experiment, and no amount of religious upbringing is gonna change that.
This is an obvious attack that goes below the belt, in my opinion. I've got other issues and better things to complain about, within this groups agenda, than something someone did when they were 14 years old.
originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: Metallicus
I think the trouble is that the organization is one devoted to "moral policing". And, yes, molestation of children is generally unforgivable and certainly unsuitable for a moral barometer. People give this group money, do they not? They're tax exempt for such purposes? Yes, it's harsh on the perpetrator, but I don't believe we owe them forgiveness when there are still victims in their vicinity. I haven't heard anything from them encouraging forgiveness and given the patriarchal hierarchy we can't know if their plea would be genuine. I don't care if they're religious, child molestation is a crime against humanity.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
The organization forced him out, so it seems that they did police their own.
He was also a child at the time
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: NavyDoc
The organization forced him out, so it seems that they did police their own.
Where did you read that? Because he says he resigned.
He was also a child at the time
No, he was 14-15 - He knew better. He sneaked into their bedrooms at night and FORCIBLY fondled them. I think it's sick that people are making excuses for this pervert. I wouldn't trust him if I were his wife. She'd better watch her baby girls.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
You've never seen someone "resign" after a scandal? He was very likely told to resign.
Yes, his wife better watch her daughters closely because in all likelyhood he will re-offend.
Immediate action was taken to slip this all under the carpet but it got out anyway because some details were written down, placed inside a book which was later lent out to someone who read it and reported it which launched an investigation.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: NavyDoc
You've never seen someone "resign" after a scandal? He was very likely told to resign.
I asked where you read that, because you stated, "The organization forced him out" as if it's a fact. But it's just speculation on your part, I see.
Yes, his wife better watch her daughters closely because in all likelyhood he will re-offend.
So, you think he will re-offend, causing misery, guilt, shame and a life of horror for some little girl, yet you make excuses for him...
originally posted by: NavyDoc
I didn't make a single excuse for him.
you can't raise someone in an abnormal environment and expect them to be normal.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: NavyDoc
I didn't make a single excuse for him.
OK. Sorry. I read a few of your posts in this thread as making excuses for him. And this sounds like an excuse, too...
you can't raise someone in an abnormal environment and expect them to be normal.
You absolutely can expect them to be normal! I was raised in a highly religious (fire and brimstone, spare the rod and spoil the child) family and I never molested anyone. I'm actually fine. I don't know if most would call me 'normal" but I have strong moral principles.