Bobby Jindal Promises Executive Order Allowing Discrimination Against Gay People

I cant believe that in 2015'people
Are still
Hiding behind there
Beliefs, if Religious business owners would truly follow
There teaching they would all be bankrupt, the good old poor us we are victims lol.

Dont want to serve gay people, why stop there, divorced people, atheist, satanist, fornicators, liers.
Cheats, people
Who steal.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
From what it looks like it says that people don't really have full freedom of religion in the USA.

Well, yes. If your religion says you should "kill the infidels", you do not have the freedom to do that. The rule of law prevents it. If your religion says you can take your neighbor's wife if he offends you, you do not have the freedom to do that. The rule of law prevents it.

If your religion says your business can discriminate against someone you disapprove of, you do not have the freedom to do that. The rule of law prevents it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

True. No one is allowing human sacrifice any more.

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
a reply to: FlyersFan

True. No one is allowing human sacrifice any more.

Aw, crap! Really? And my birthday is coming up! Damn!

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
I cant believe that in 2015 ...

The Bronze Age has a strong hold on a lot of folks.
Some good stuff. But also much not so good.

When I was younger, businesses used to post a sign that said " We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone ".

If you take business owner's rights away to give other people rights, it doesn't make much sense to me.

The consumer can simply go to another store, but the business owner is then screwed

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: kaylaluv

The Supreme Court ruled that Hobby Lobby can be run with the religious beliefs of the family owners.

No. Not unilaterally.

This decision concerns only the contraceptive mandate and should not be understood to hold that all insurance-coverage mandates, e.g., for vaccinations or blood transfusions, must necessarily fall if they conflict with an employer’s religious beliefs. Nor does it provide a shield for employers who might cloak illegal discrimination as a religious practice.

www.law.cornell.edu...

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Aw, crap! Really? And my birthday is coming up! Damn!

HA! Mine too. We could have had a joint human sacrifice to celebrate with if it weren't for those darn laws! ha ha

Seriously though ... I'm looking at that document just posted and it seems to say that there isn't true religious freedom in the USA. And I'm still not seeing how we can have true religious freedom in this country AND have marriage equality. I'm not seeing an easy answer.

a reply to: greencmp

First off, I said that they are required to serve everyone, not that they will. I can't help it if a black business refuses service because me or my wife (I actually don't have a wife, but that's irrelevant to this discussion) because either of us is white. If I did have a wife, I certainly wouldn't send her to the ghetto to fish for a Civil Rights violation so I can sue some random ghetto barber shop (especially in Baltimore). I have better things to do with my time than prove that black people can be racist too.

a reply to: corvuscorrax

What?

There is no such thing as liberty to be gay anymore than there is liberty to be black or liberty to be a woman. I think the concept you were trying to communicate is that there shouldn't be laws against homosexual sex or homosexual relationships (or rather, the discrete actions individuals perform as part of a relationship). That makes sense because which of these actions harms other members of society?

What of bigotry and discrimination? A bigot doesn't require any liberty to be a bigot because (as of now anyway) thoughts and emotions cannot be legislated. What of the act of discrimination based on race, sexual orientation, gender, etc? These have a direct and negative impact (to varying degrees depending on context) on the person who is being discriminated against.

It seems pretty elementary to me. Are you familiar with the "Harm Principle" as laid down by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty? The gist is that people should not be prevented from doing things unless they cause harm to others.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: greencmp

First off, I said that they are required to serve everyone, not that they will. I can't help it if a black business refuses service because me or my wife (I actually don't have a wife, but that's irrelevant to this discussion) because either of us is white. If I did have a wife, I certainly wouldn't send her to the barber shop to fish for a Civil Rights violation so I can sue some random ghetto barber shop. I have better things to do with my time than prove that black people can be racist too.

Sure you can, just pass a law that threatens to fine and imprison them.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You'll have to be satisfied with a goat. Like the rest of us.

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Personally?

I've resigned myself to the fact that religious expression will soon be outlawed.

People pay lip-service to religious expression and the freedoms guaranteed, but that's all it is.

Just tell me what to think, what to believe, how to believe, and what to say.

Independent thought should be forbidden.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I did!! My God there is a gov't importing illegals by the trainload to fill the jobs, tons of people out of work, gov't benefits being cut left and right, and you can't imagine someone going for any job that is out there and putting up with whatever kind of crap that is doled out to them, if not just till the next rent payment is paid!!!

That's your best argument?? Gee if I walk a mile to a store and they deny me because of whatever, I can just walk another mile to the next store, no skin off my back?? That's fine, what if I am on crutches walking this two miles?
Or if the only non religious wacko that is willing to hire a women is two counties over everything is fine??

But religion's right to discriminate based on an ancient way of life that is no longer relevant really should be protected beyond all costs.....
or maybe it's just the business's owners right to do whatever and rule their employees and customers however without gov't interference that is being protected here!

a reply to: greencmp

Sure I can what? Pass a law? I don't need to do that. The law already exists. Civil rights laws work in all directions. I have a friend who got accepted to a predominately black college on a minority scholarship because he was white. So I already have first hand experience witnessing Civil Rights laws work in favor of white people.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Well the link explains that this religious defense thing has been tried in the past for Segregation and the government shut it down then as wrong. This isn't a new thing. You can try to bring all the religious dogma (which again is made up recently) you want into the thread, but in a secular society, your religious rights end at the edge of your skin. You can't force your religious beliefs onto someone else. If you don't like gay people or their lifestyle and own a business, too bad. You have to serve them anyways.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: greencmp

Sure I can what? Pass a law? I don't need to do that. The law already exists. Civil rights laws work in all directions. I have a friend who got accepted to a predominately black college on a minority scholarship because he was white. So I already have first hand experience witnessing Civil Rights laws work in favor of white people.

So why don't you get hopping on down there and extort them out of business, it is your right is it not?

Don't worry, it's all in the name of "equality".

a reply to: dawnstar
So you actually worked in a place that ... to quote you ... " even demanding that all the female employees of the business provide a note from their husbands stating that they approve of their employments and then the dismissals of those who don't provide such notes. "

Well, it was your choice to work in a place that demanded notes from your husband to work there.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

whoa, slow down there!! soon they won't have any customers!!!

it's insane!! that's all our country has come down with a bad case of insanity and well only time will allow it to find reason again...

a reply to: greencmp

I just told you that I have better things to do then hunt down racist black businesses in the ghetto so I can sue them when they deny me service. To be honest, even in Baltimore it would be a needle in a haystack. I'd be more likely to get robbed or jumped for wandering into the wrong neighborhood before I get turned away from a business because I'm white.