ISIS Counterpunch Stuns U.S. and Iraq

a reply to: Willtell

How are they going to kill me when I am not in the ME?

That is such a tired excuse, that is what got us into Iraq the first time.

Let them try and invade our lands and try and kill us, they will be met with one hell of a surprise.

Shoot they would have to get past our navy in the Atlantic first.
What is ISIS's navy like?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Ask the USS Cole what their Navy might be like

a reply to: LoverBoy

I agree with you. It seems for every insurgent we kill and every casualty that may come along with it....it motivates 10 more to join them. This was my experience in Iraq.

This says so much!

And yes it is very, very sad and disgusting about what they are doing over there.
Which is what makes me so mad that all the countries over there just turn around and look at us to do something.

We can't afford another war people!
We never want to talk about that, war isn't free.
It is very costly!

a reply to: introvert

Listen to Firefly, he said it better than I could.

But I will say it anyway

IT’S TOO LATE FOR THAT!

The cats out of the bag and it’s a SABER TOOTH TIGER


The US will deal with this one way or the other…there not just going to get out


If anything they should change from a immoral selfish policy to a moral one that seeks peace, negotiation, and understanding, not surreptitious plots and unjust war supporting one lunatic against the other

originally posted by: Firefly_
a reply to: St Udio

But it took nuclear weapons to stop the fanatical Japanese. There may be similarities, but the situations are quite different. The same will not happen with IS. Nukes will only mean the end of everything - and I can bet IS will obtain them and use them.

the Japanese Empire did not surrender because of unneeded Atomic Bombs...
they knew it was over--- but the USA (western forces) needed to make an 'example' to Russia or any other pretender to the throne of World-Dominance


it was a political move NOT a military move by the PTB (military-industrial complex) of which Eisenhower warned-us-of...


As for this post:

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Willtell
Let them try and invade our lands and try and kill us, they will be met with one hell of a surprise.

Preliminary analysis suggests that ...the three Trains,... one of which crashed & killed 9 (in the headline news)...the other two AmTrack Trains had round projectile holes in the Locomotive windows ~~~ all 3 trains were close in proximity and time of being 'hit' [a squad of terrorists intent on sabotage?]

a reply to: Firefly_

Um, you have a short memory, or are completely ignorant of recent history.

That's an intelligent and welcoming way to start a conversation. Glad to meet your acquaintance as well.

IS exist as a direct consequence of western foreign policy. Our governments, and those who supported the wars are all responsible for their existence.

Agreed. The "condition" of the middle east as a whole has been affected by our meddling since the middle of the last century.

It is all of our business whether we like it or not.

Ok, let me phrase it a bit differently. The best thing we could is pull out of the middle east, take ourselves out of the direct equation, and support other nations in the region that want to take ISIS out.....like Iran.

The cancer is spreading.

Indeed. But the real question is, whom is the cancer?

Ive been over there fighting. I don't want my kids and grandkids to follow in those footsteps. Let ISIS have the whole middle east. The reality is that America has more than enough oil production now for oil to matter at all.

Let ISIS take over and proclaim a US mandate. One terrorist act against America results in one low yield nuclear strike.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I don't think they will invade us conventionally. This is a different beast to anything we have encountered. They are already suspected to be active in the UK. Bahar Mustafa is alleged to be an agent - I don't know how true this is. But this is the sort of thing they want, brainwash the kids, turn them against the natives, get everyone hating and fighting each other. If she is an agent, you can bet there are many more all around the world doing similar things where they can get away with it.

I wouldn't even put it past them to have recruits in the police force and they deliberately kill people who they know will trigger a violent response. I am not saying this is the case by any means - it is a bit of a stretch. But its entirely possible.

The point is we don't know the extent of their reach and who is involved with IS. There are a LOT of people who have an axe to grind with the west - westerners included. While I hope that sane heads prevail and realise taking this out on the innocent is a bad idea, many people are easily brainwashed, especially when it comes to religion and superstition.

a reply to: Willtell

The US will deal with this one way or the other…there not just going to get out

That's because we have too many people in power that have become so arrogant and self-righteous to believe that we must be involved in everything and can take care of everything. That is why many countries in the ME expect us to take fight their battles.

It is this way of thinking that has been a curse to this nation.

If anything they should change from a immoral selfish policy to a moral one that seeks peace, negotiation, and understanding, not surreptitious plots and unjust war supporting one lunatic against the other

Not going to happen. That would mean we would have to compromise and talk with nations that we have demonized and trained the US citizens to hate.

People listen.


The invasion of Iraq WAS ONE OF THE MOST STUPID, IMMORAL ACTS IN THE HISTORY OF WARFARE AND AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY


The ramifications of it are and will continue to be ENORMOUS


There is no way around the consequences of that war

Obama can’t just keep blaming Bush for the act and not dealing with the bad consequences of it


Sure Bush is a war criminal and should be jailed for life.

And indeed his stupid war created ISIS and worst and other ramifications

But as president Obama is obligated to clean up this mess


We need a comprehensive policy that includes an alliance with Iran, Iraq, Syria, and the sinister Gulf States and anyone else who wants to exterminate the new Hitler of the age


When ISIS is whipped then we can get out

America has to clean up the mess it's made


It doesn't have to be ALL American troops

a reply to: introvert

Actually the natives are starting to take their own action in the middle east something which till now they have been very reticent to do(the USA did it for them).Yemen could be the start of arab actions without necessarily US support.

a reply to: Willtell

lol nice rant.


Now go put your aluminum foil hat on and watch Susan Sarandon movies and let the people with at least one foot in reality discuss this.

a reply to: Willtell

Enormous ramifications

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

People should not mistake your opinion as fact..

ISIS isn't Zionist, nor created (directly) by the U.S., that's just a misinformed opinion.

It's funny, no one bothers to question Assad's involvement in all this... How ISIS took such a stronghold in his country.

a reply to: Willtell

Screw that, we don't have to do jack.

How does ivading the region we should never had invaded in the first place fix the problem?

Seems like it would cause the very same problem.

I'll ask again, where are we going to get the money to get into another war? Do you recall how much the last one cost?

a reply to: liteonit6969

Do you not realize that they, ISIS, are motivated by rage and power? Period. If that weren't directed towards the United States, it would be towards another country.

This is a much deeper rooted problem then "send in the troops and kill the bad guys"- ISIS would love for western troops to come fight them on the ground in their territory, as they would see huge increases in recruitment numbers. It wouldn't be like our fight against the Iraqi army, but a bloody, brutal urban insurgency, a continuation of the guerrilla warfare that has been going on in Iraq for over a decade now.

Yes, ISIS are deplorable, but many of the Sunni majority areas prefer their treatment under ISIS, then they did by a Shiite government. There are plenty of Iranian backed Shiite militias that are chomping at the bit to fight ISIS, but they will commit the very same atrocities ISIS is famous for.

They have more funding, more equipment, and more experience then they did 10 years ago - we couldn't break the insurgency back then - Thinking we can now put troops on the ground and make everything hunky-dory is a huge folly.

a reply to: Ultralight

I remember just prior to 9-11 an influx of boats carrying Islamic individuals until one called the Tampa was intercepted by the SAS,I remember at the time asking myself why would the SAS be doing a Navy Patrol boats job,the boats stopped then the towers fell.

Now thousands are headed from Libya to Italy I wouldn't mind a bet on the side Rome,Naples,Milan or somewhere in Italy is next.

a reply to: Syyth007

See you in New York-Al Bagdhadi to his captors upon release
....theres the slight problem.

originally posted by: Syyth007
This is a much deeper rooted problem then "send in the troops and kill the bad guys"- ISIS would love for western troops to come fight them on the ground in their territory, as they would see huge increases in recruitment numbers. It wouldn't be like our fight against the Iraqi army, but a bloody, brutal urban insurgency, a continuation of the guerrilla warfare that has been going on in Iraq for over a decade now.

Yes, ISIS are deplorable, but many of the Sunni majority areas prefer their treatment under ISIS, then they did by a Shiite government. There are plenty of Iranian backed Shiite militias that are chomping at the bit to fight ISIS, but they will commit the very same atrocities ISIS is famous for.

They have more funding, more equipment, and more experience then they did 10 years ago - we couldn't break the insurgency back then - Thinking we can now put troops on the ground and make everything hunky-dory is a huge folly.

Best post in the thread. Im not a huge Obama guy but he is playing this right. Let Sunnis and Shiites have their wars over who was the legitimate successor of Muhammad and lets get out. I mean completely out. And when I said before that we no longer need a barrel of oil from the middle east, I was completely correct. The US has Shales that we have not even started drilling yet.

So all the "We are there for the oil" Conspiracists make me chuckle.


cheers guys