Former TN Candidate For US Congress and Christian Extremist Arrested In Terror Plot

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If we could tell them apart it would be a non issue.
Since that guy is like a hostile fringe element he is ostriczied by our collective as an abberrant and thus hostile element in our faith /culture ,which is why we stopped him and his little dumbass plan.
Shame muslims aren't on top of their OWN hostile elements like WE are,leaving US to 'fix" it.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

I can't quite make out ALL the things you are trying to say there.

a reply to: Kali74

WE take care of our own.
So should they so WE don't have to.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Also... this OAS?

OAS is about promoting mutual cultural understanding between Arabs and non-Arabs in the UB and Buffalo community by providing educational and entertaining activities in a friendly atmosphere that best serves all.

Link

a reply to: cavtrooper7

We very much helped create THEM. How can you still be so ignorant to the shtstorms we foment after all this time?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: WarminIndy

From his own Facebook

“Our small group will soon be faced with the fight of our lives. We will offer those lives as collateral to prove our commitment to our God,” said Doggart in a Facebook post. “We shall be Warriors who will inflict horrible numbers of casualties upon the enemies of our Nation and World Peace.”

There is no charge for Christian extremism or even Muslim extremism. It's terminology for people who take their beliefs to the extreme of violently acting against those they feel act against their cause is... which is God and country in this case.

Look at who is charging him.....

This is dangerous and something I had warned about 10 years ago and no one listened to me. Just because the guy is a Christian, he might just have extremist views, but it seems his extremism is recent.

I kept telling people if they keep kicking the dog, it's going to turn around and bite back.

When I first read this OP I thought surely it must be tied to the KKK, so that's why I looked him up. The church website doesn't promote hatred, so I wondered why then he was in that church. That certainly isn't something they would espouse

Christian National Church

As a religious leader, it is our ethical responsibility and pleasure to support a variety of humanitarian causes. Christianity was built upon the principles of forgiveness, generosity, and a complete lack of judgment for those who are less fortunate. Christian National Church believes in helping people of nations with struggling economies, struggling citizenry, and political injustice. We lend our public support for efforts in race equality, religious freedom, and fair treatment for all citizens. We support educational efforts in Latin American countries including Nicaragua and Costa Rica. By helping our Christian neighbors, we are helping the entire world. We encourage all those in contact with us to share this same sense of compassion and generosity. If you have a cause that could benefit from our support, please let us know.

They even give a list for every state about marriages in every state, they don't even make an issue about same-sex marriages. This doesn't sound like a church of extremism.

Whatever this man came to believe, the church itself doesn't promote hatred and violence. So the extremism is from somewhere else.

I would say this, and please understand that I am not condoning him, he is most likely a member of the KKK who used this church to become ordained to start a small group of people that would fly under the radar of other churches.

I am betting on the KKK being involved with this. And THAT'S the extremism we need to be combatting, because it is really a kneejerk reaction to say it is "Christian extremism", because the KKK sure ain't Christian no matter what they say.

If the KKK were really Christian, then they wouldn't allow symbols of the Thule Society into their iconography.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Krazysh0t

If we could tell them apart it would be a non issue.
Since that guy is like a hostile fringe element he is ostriczied by our collective as an abberrant and thus hostile element in our faith /culture ,which is why we stopped him and his little dumbass plan.
Shame muslims aren't on top of their OWN hostile elements like WE are,leaving US to 'fix" it.

That guy is just one of the ones that you have heard of. The MSM likes to pretend that Christian extremism isn't an issue and you are pretending like we, America, police them adequately. We don't. How could we if it isn't even reported on reliably?

a reply to: WarminIndy

I never said anything about his Church and in fact clarified he was ordained by an online church, I was very clear that HE is a Christian extremist, not that Christianity is extremist. In a later post I stated that I wanted to be clear that I wasn't attacking Christians or Christianity. Feel free to back your train up and I'll pretend I never saw it leave the station. You aren't going to find what you are looking for here.

ETA: And for crying out loud read your own links....

From your link about the FBI investigating the OAS

Israel Lobby Watch
FBI files reveal Anti-Defamation League spied on Arab students
Grant F. Smith
The Electronic Intifada
Washington, DC
14 May 2013

In 1969, the Anti-Defamation League infiltrated and spied on a national gathering of Arab students in the United States, newly released Federal Bureau of Investigation documents show.

Obtained in April after an Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRMEP) freedom of information request, and reviewed by The Electronic Intifada, one declassified file [PDF] contains Anti-Defamation League reports held by the FBI.

The documents reveal how ADL surveillance against the Organization of Arab Students (OAS) in 1969 coalesced into plans for infiltrating the OAS national organization in New York. The files also give an insight into why the entire effort eventually backfired, ultimately leading to raids on ADL offices involved in intelligence-gathering through illegal means, and a lawsuit against ADL in the early 1990s — ultimately settled out of court in 2002.

The FBI responded to the IRMEP request that it at one time possessed up to 10,800 pages of information about the ADL, but that some of these had been destroyed. So far approximately 1,000 pages have been released (see The FBI’s Anti-Defamation League File on the IRMEP site).

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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Krazysh0t

If we could tell them apart it would be a non issue.
Since that guy is like a hostile fringe element he is ostriczied by our collective as an abberrant and thus hostile element in our faith /culture ,which is why we stopped him and his little dumbass plan.
Shame muslims aren't on top of their OWN hostile elements like WE are,leaving US to 'fix" it.

That guy is just one of the ones that you have heard of. The MSM likes to pretend that Christian extremism isn't an issue and you are pretending like we, America, police them adequately. We don't. How could we if it isn't even reported on reliably?

And the rest of us Christians are left holding the bag for them, we throw the bag down and then you guys tell us to pick it back up.

I reject the claims of so-called Christians who abuse Christianity as a platform for hatred. The KKK, just repackaged Thule Society that the Freemasons in Tennessee designed to make it look Christian. Albert Pike, 33rd degree Mason was also in the KKK.

Did you know, Catholics are not allowed in the KKK?

But see, the difference in me and Muslims, I am allowed to say to so-called Christians that they are wrong and do not have any Christian morals and values. But as hard as we try, you guys tend to only look at all of us and then blame all of us.

But this is not a religious war, it is a war of ideologies. And to think this war isn't real, then people are hiding their heads in the sand.

Doggett had an ideology that was not Christian, the very church that ordained him is against his ideology. I have to defend the right to freedom of speech, religion and press, but if this Constitution is to work, then every Muslim American needs to stop supporting Hamas, Jihad, Fatah, PLO and every other organization if they want us to stop defending Israel.

See, that's how it is supposed to work here. The defense of freedom is lacking, because on this thread we have been presented once again with "Christian extremism" when NO CHRISTIAN on this thread even endorsed that man's actions.

But there is quite a bit of anti-Christian extremism, so we are struggling against increasing dangerous ideologies within and without, and we aren't ashamed to say that people like Doggett are just a product of the underground war and wrong, and soon there will be no freedom of any kind, because ideologies are in conflict.

We are now required by you guys to make statements denouncing people like him, which we gladly do. But we just hope that one day we can be permitted to remove from us all dangerous ideologies that call themselves Christian, because right now, even Jeremiah Wright can get by screaming hatred from his pulpit and no one makes an issue because he was friends with a young senator from Illinois.

And if you realized all the ideologies that are in conflict, it isn't just Christians vs. Muslims. We have said that if they want the freedom, then they better darn sure start defending our freedom. Once religious freedom falls, then so does speech and press.

And it's going to be hard, there will be nothing then that prevents bloodshed. You let the government take away one right, they will take all of them.

There won't be any more religious extremism, only human ideology extremism. I don't want to see that happen. If things don't change, that is what will happen.

Fox and CNN is a war of ideologies. And people have taken sides.

Zealots of any stripe are, or can be, incredibly dangerous...

Fortunately, he was stopped before anything happened.

Fair trial, then lock him up.

a reply to: Kali74

I know we have it was started in the 50s.
I won't die for that,will YOU?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

We do.
They aren't overseas attacking Europe or other continent.
Criminals yes an actual MOVEMENT no.
THAT is now starting in Europe,evidently THEY can't tell the bad from good either.

To me this guy actually seems like he's just been brainwashed by massive media fear tactics. I'm sure his religious, political, social, etc. elements also play in to it also but mostly I think it's just bad wiring and fear induced psychosis.

Could it be that this man is a perfect example of what can happen when someone has had prolonged exposure to radical right-wing propaganda?

Every day you can turn on FoxNews, Limbaugh, Mark Levin and many other programs and hear them spew their hatred against Muslims.

I've seen first-hand otherwise rational, good people turn in to angry, foam-at-the-mouth lunatics over the Muslim/Islam issue.

The propaganda is real and I'd be willing to bet this is a product of it.

a reply to: introvert

Could it be that this man is a perfect example of what can happen when someone has had prolonged exposure to radical right-wing propaganda?

Every day you can turn on FoxNews, Limbaugh, Mark Levin and many other programs and hear them spew their hatred against Muslims.

Not only "could it be", but - it is.
I have family members who have gone round the bend listening to that crap, with no input at all from the other side. They refuse to look at it. It's a kind of rabies, and very upsetting.

a reply to: introvert

Exactly!!

This is what happens when someone "keg stands the kool aid"!!

a reply to: mOjOm

Chomsky would be correct.

There are many comparisons that can be made between right-wing propaganda and that of Nazi Germany. Most specifically, the tactics they used and the appeal to one's religion.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

9,000+ people voted for him, and part of his campaign was that he was "smarter than the president."

IMO, ALL people running for office should be tested for mental soundness, but I guess that's way too much to ask (anyone who would want to run for office is crazy, in my opinion, but a person with a documented and properly diagnosed Personality Disorder should not be allowed.

Anyway, interesting find, Kali, thanks for sharing it. What an embarrassment of an American.
S/F

Smarter than the president, well at least they set the bar pretty low. LOL.

When they create a test that confirms psychopathic behavior and outlaw psychopaths from running for office, the present psychopaths in office will invert the law so that we become the psychopaths, on paper anyway.

Cheers - Dave

It's either Islamists, Muslims, or someone else beheading Christians, and then we have this guy, apparently thinking he needs to go and kill some Muslims here in the USA, whom some say are a front for terrorist training programs, and so he is said to want to go kill people whom he thinks are against the USA.

Sounds like he is doing what Obama does when he used drones to target Islamists , Muslims, and schools in Afghanistan and Pakistan KILLING HUNDREDS OF CHILDREN in the effing process!

So does this mean our president is as bad as this guy is? They are both targeting terrorists so they say.

Maybe that is why no one in the media is reporting on this? This guy is the same as Obama.

And people here are condemning this guy for doing what Obama brags about doing... How incredibly hypocritical of some of you. Wake the # up.

I condemn them all. People killing people is just plain stupid.

Talk about hypocrites here.. Like wow man.

This guy is most def a christian. If you asked him if he was a christian, he would undoubtedly say yes. He could then show you the passages that he thinks justify his bigotry, and if anyone disagreed with him, he would claim that he is more christian than them. People like this just have a dif interpretation of the book. Just a different denomination really. It is why you call these people extremists. They take an extreme stance on the stories. Claiming superiority because they think their interpretations are right. Granted, this happens everywhere with every religion and ideology. But call it what it is. Christian extremism. I also would not be surprised to find out if he had some relationship with the KKK as you suggested earlier. They are definitely in my town. The courthouse in my very modern city, the building which has our mayor's office, is dedicated as the Nathan Bedford Forrest courthouse. No #. They are not the dumb hicks that people portray them as. They are very sophisticated, they go to college, wear suits, drive mercedes, and hand out business cards. I literally know people in the KKK. It is unavoidable if he worked for the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) check them out. they are state employees with a lot of authority.

Also the kkk here has taken a softer stance on racial differences to improve their image. They still claim white superiority but they are not vocal about it in the open. They have taken a much stronger stance defending what they feel is an attack on christianity from islam and the american govt. The black community here is very christian, and also anti govt. it's kind of a running joke that obama gave the blacks and the Kkk a common enemy.






a reply to: WarminIndy