Israeli sources: Israel willing to accept Iran deal for US compensation

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: buster2010

It's simple, really... Obama is selling out our ally, Israel's safety, because he's decided to be Iran's bitch and Congress cannot stop him from doing so. This move by Obama places our ally, Israel, in harm's way. Israel is asking that, since Obama is being Iran's bitch rather than fulfilling the United States' prior obligation to make sanctions stick on Iran until their nuclear program ceases, the United States provide Israel with the means to defend themselves from the results of the American president's foray into becoming Iran's concubine.

Obama is creating this problem, Israel is demanding that the United States provide the means to correct it. Very similar to what would happen if your dog dug up your neighbor's garden... you'd be expected to make things right and take responsibility for your destructive dog and your lack of control over him.

Your analogy is not even close to accurate. It's like the neighbour's dog across the street thinking about digging up your next door neighbour's garden and your next door neighbour demanding that you to pay for fences, weapons and reparations before the dog decides to do anything.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Haven't seen a mod pull the anti semite card in a while. Your use of it was rather pathetic I must say.

Desperate people will say desperate things in order to confuse the situation and attempt to get their illegitimate point across.

I guess according to you I hate Jews because I can see past the Israeli government bs and dislike their ongoing, unjust demonization of Iran.

It's time for you to accept that Israel is not an ally and they are very ungrateful of all the aid they receive.

Or you can just call us anti semites again and keep your head buried in the sand like an ostrich.

ETA:

If I were to use your logic, you're a racist because you don't like obama.

See what I did there?

Lol

That moderator totally just got flamed it was glorious the parasitic relationships we have with certain allies must end that includes Saudi Arabia and Israel bunch of extremist that perpetuate the hate that is so high in the ME

a reply to: Britguy

Oh yeah, they really are controlling the U.S on this Iran deal huh? While I agree that Israel has many lobbyist and politicians in their pocket, The current rift has shown the lack of control they have. Yet still people claim...Israel controls the world!!, Jews rule it all!!!

a reply to: real_one

Everything in politics moves with money, why do you hold Israel to a higher standard?

Is Saudi Arabia and ally?, what about Pakistan? Obama just released Egypts aid surely we can count on them? And what of Iran? these will never be allies, we are just giving them a chance to grow into greater threats. But I would agree that Israel is not an ally, thanks to Obama. That idiot can even screw up a done deal.
Did you witness how pathetic this Iran deal is? If the situation was reversed would Iran let us have nukes?, no, they would already have killed us. Its disturbing how people can bend over backwards defending those that want them dead.

Some people live in LaLa Land.

Some people visit there occasionally.

Some were born there and moved away.

Some people defend it despite its past transgressions.

Some people give them their own hard earned taxes and spiritual support despite never setting foot there...
Although mentally, they are indeed visiting LaLa Land.



The rest of us smell the BS coming out of LaLa Land and want nothing to do with it, and go as far as to boycott and protest their obscene presence in this new millennium.





Antisemite?

Not when more than half of LaLa Land are actually Europeans instead of Semitic.
Not when the Semitic owners of the Land are occupied and brutalised by the warmongers of LaLa Land!!!


I'm pro-Semitic...


Free Free The Real World!!!

Boycott LaLa Land!!!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Stop being such a anti LALArite

I honestly just want one Israeli supporter here to please come out and explain to us exactly what the alternative is to diplomacy here with Iran. And please don't pull out the 'sanctions' excuse, because we've held sanctions on Iran since 1979 and this hasn't changes the situation between us and them one bit. So again, please explain what the alternative is thagt we're all supposedly overlooking here.

If Israel is changing gears here doesn't that imply they have no power to stop the negotiations? In which case, what is Israel using for leverage here? Should we be giving them a whole bunch of weapons "just because"?

originally posted by: Aazadan
If Israel is changing gears here doesn't that imply they have no power to stop the negotiations? In which case, what is Israel using for leverage here? Should we be giving them a whole bunch of weapons "just because"?

You ever heard of the Samson Option? Or AIPAC? It's miraculous what campaign contributions & threats can get you in America.

a reply to: Aazadan

If Israel is changing gears here doesn't that imply they have no power to stop the negotiations?

They've never had control over the negotiations because the US isn't the only country involved in said negotiations.

Hence the reason why Netanyahu is jumping up and down on his soapbox so adamantly... he's hoping that the squeeky wheel will get the grease.

And I don't doubt for one minute that he will succeed at getting his payday.

When one is idolized like a rock star, one gets what one wants.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
It's simple, really... Obama is selling out our ally, Israel's safety, because he's decided to be Iran's bitch and Congress cannot stop him from doing so. This move by Obama places our ally, Israel, in harm's way. Israel is asking that, since Obama is being Iran's bitch rather than fulfilling the United States' prior obligation to make sanctions stick on Iran until their nuclear program ceases, the United States provide Israel with the means to defend themselves from the results of the American president's foray into becoming Iran's concubine.

How in world are they our allies if they explore us for 50+ years, abuse our politics and make it feel that US president has to favor country that does not care about basic human rights?! Very wrong and and very intolerant from you?!

They are not our allies, we are their sugar daddies and good for them as long as we kick money, weapons and keep everyone else from attacking them from atrocities they are doing against their neighbors.

But when even USA president calls their 'allies' to stop with bombing of civilians or stop of building settlements on occupied terrirotories, guess what our 'allies' did... Again, that is NOT what I would call allies, more like parasite.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Obama is creating this problem, Israel is demanding that the United States provide the means to correct it. Very similar to what would happen if your dog dug up your neighbor's garden... you'd be expected to make things right and take responsibility for your destructive dog and your lack of control over him.

This is just ignorant and delusional - only problems were created by Israels and they tried to persuade USA to attack Iran with false info and predictions about Iran being nuclear capable in a year for last 20 years...

You should invest some time and research politics of region instead of believing in this nonsense and misinformation... I know, kind of hard to get information in USA, as as every regime, our information gets filtered at what is acceptable for citizens to know.... but just read any EU news agency... you'll see..

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
You ever heard of the Samson Option? Or AIPAC? It's miraculous what campaign contributions & threats can get you in America.

Yes, I've heard of both. This article was stating that AIPAC more or less failed here and I doubt anyone seriously thinks Israel would threaten nuclear war over not being given some advanced weaponry. Getting some concessions in a negotiation usually means having some sort of power in them, thanks to Israel being 100% opposed to these negotiations from the start and then trying to sabotage them, they have no position from having worked with the various nations.

Just think, if Israel had been supporting Obama from the start but said they wanted certain preconditions to ensure their safety, they would have gotten them thanks to AIPAC making life easier on everyone. But, they didn't do that and everyone at this point has the opinion of f anything Israel says about this.

a reply to: CranialSponge

Careful now... you're Canadian, you aren't allowed to criticize the Israeli government anymore. I'm only surprised it happened there before here.

a reply to: buster2010

Netanyahu.... what a cheap little gangster!

"Compensation".

the act or state of compensating, as by rewarding someone for service or by making up for someone's loss, damage, or injury by giving the injured party an appropriate benefit.

dictionary.reference.com...

How in the hell does the US qualify for giving "compensation" for acting in their own countries interests? Israel has been sucking the US's teet for to long that it's expected.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
You ever heard of the Samson Option? Or AIPAC? It's miraculous what campaign contributions & threats can get you in America.

Yes, I've heard of both. This article was stating that AIPAC more or less failed here and I doubt anyone seriously thinks Israel would threaten nuclear war over not being given some advanced weaponry. Getting some concessions in a negotiation usually means having some sort of power in them, thanks to Israel being 100% opposed to these negotiations from the start and then trying to sabotage them, they have no position from having worked with the various nations.

Just think, if Israel had been supporting Obama from the start but said they wanted certain preconditions to ensure their safety, they would have gotten them thanks to AIPAC making life easier on everyone. But, they didn't do that and everyone at this point has the opinion of f anything Israel says about this.

You asked what Israel is using for leverage and if we should give them weapons "just because". That's why I mentioned the Samson Option. It doesn't matter if you believe it is real or not, since you're not a lawmaker or international power broker. But as long as those people in power believe it is a credible threat, that's all that matters.

And I mentioned AIPAC as an example for a reason. AIPAC doesn't just pass out dictates, they donate to the campaigns of politicians, Republican and Democrat alike. That's one of the biggest reasons Israel has bipartisan support in Congress & why so many Congressmen were pushing Israel's position on the Iran deal. But they failed in their attempts to derail the Iran deal. So they're trying to get something out the situation rather than leave empty handed. And depending on how they spin it, Israel & its allies can even paint it as a political victory for domestic consumption.

a reply to: buster2010

Is it more the evangelical crowd (U.S.) whom values the importance of Israel? And the Jewish in western nations?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
You asked what Israel is using for leverage and if we should give them weapons "just because". That's why I mentioned the Samson Option. It doesn't matter if you believe it is real or not, since you're not a lawmaker or international power broker. But as long as those people in power believe it is a credible threat, that's all that matters.

I didn't say the Samson Option wasn't real. I said they wouldn't invoke it over a treaty. They would wait until someone is actually threatening them first. At the end of the day Israel wants to survive too and using Samson guarantees their destruction it's not a measure that you use until the enemy is actually at the gates and you can't repel them.

a reply to: Kali74

Careful now... you're Canadian, you aren't allowed to criticize the Israeli government anymore. I'm only surprised it happened there before here.

Bah...

That ridiculous law will only pass in Harper's wet dreams.

Until then, it's open season for all things anti-Netanyahu.