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originally posted by: chiefsmom
hmmm...
So does that mean, that if you choose to home school, you will be exempt from paying taxes for the schools, that essentially the state is saying that you can no longer use?
What a crock.
Yet another freedom thrown to the wayside.
originally posted by: NthOther
If passed by the California Assembly (probable) and signed by the governor (assuredly), you will no longer be able to say "it's against my religion" (or anything else, for that matter) to prevent your children from being vaccinated... if you actually want them in a "public" school, that is.
Under this bill, you'll have to home school your children if you don't want them vaccinated. And we know what the government thinks of all that.
We're all being painted as "terrorists", one way or another. Anyway...
Reuters
California parents who do not vaccinate their children would have to home-school them under a bill passed Thursday by the state Senate, the latest move in a battle between public health officials and "anti-vaxxers" who fear vaccines are dangerous.
Let's stop there for a moment. Thanks, Reuters, for using derogatory verbiage that people associate with craziness (see added emphasis). Journalism at it's finest.
The bill, which eliminates the so-called personal beliefs exemption allowing parents to forego vaccinations if opposed to them for any reason, was introduced after a measles outbreak at Disneyland last year that sickened more than 100 people.
Almost sounds like a biological false flag at Disneyland, no? Hindsight is 20/20.
"The personal beliefs exemption is endangering the public," said Democratic state Senator Richard Pan, a pediatrician and co-author of the bill. The measure still allows children to attend school without vaccinations for medical reasons.
...
“The alarming increase in unvaccinated students places everyone at risk of contracting potentially fatal diseases," said state Senator Ben Allen, a Democrat from Santa Monica, whose father suffered from polio.
Translation:
We don't care what the people want, they are going to listen to us because we're the experts and we know what's in everyone's best interest--and if they don't listen to us, we'll force them to listen to us.
It's really childish, when all is said and done.
Other than bringing this to your attention (I didn't see anything posted on this bill specifically), I don't really have a whole lot more to say. The "vaccine debate" has been fleshed out so many times on ATS that the brass even made up their own official position on the matter via NLBS.
I'll simply end with this: they're gonna get ya. You can't send your kids to "public" schools without vaccinating them, and you can't home school your kids without being labeled an anti-government extremist.
They're gonna get ya. One way or another.
Who knows, though? Maybe the Assembly will kill it. The fact that it made it through the Senate so easily is disheartening enough, though. The hammer is most definitely dropping...
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: NthOther
If passed by the California Assembly (probable) and signed by the governor (assuredly), you will no longer be able to say "it's against my religion" (or anything else, for that matter) to prevent your children from being vaccinated... if you actually want them in a "public" school, that is.
Under this bill, you'll have to home school your children if you don't want them vaccinated. And we know what the government thinks of all that.
We're all being painted as "terrorists", one way or another. Anyway...
Reuters
California parents who do not vaccinate their children would have to home-school them under a bill passed Thursday by the state Senate, the latest move in a battle between public health officials and "anti-vaxxers" who fear vaccines are dangerous.
Let's stop there for a moment. Thanks, Reuters, for using derogatory verbiage that people associate with craziness (see added emphasis). Journalism at it's finest.
The bill, which eliminates the so-called personal beliefs exemption allowing parents to forego vaccinations if opposed to them for any reason, was introduced after a measles outbreak at Disneyland last year that sickened more than 100 people.
Almost sounds like a biological false flag at Disneyland, no? Hindsight is 20/20.
"The personal beliefs exemption is endangering the public," said Democratic state Senator Richard Pan, a pediatrician and co-author of the bill. The measure still allows children to attend school without vaccinations for medical reasons.
...
“The alarming increase in unvaccinated students places everyone at risk of contracting potentially fatal diseases," said state Senator Ben Allen, a Democrat from Santa Monica, whose father suffered from polio.
Translation:
We don't care what the people want, they are going to listen to us because we're the experts and we know what's in everyone's best interest--and if they don't listen to us, we'll force them to listen to us.
It's really childish, when all is said and done.
Other than bringing this to your attention (I didn't see anything posted on this bill specifically), I don't really have a whole lot more to say. The "vaccine debate" has been fleshed out so many times on ATS that the brass even made up their own official position on the matter via NLBS.
I'll simply end with this: they're gonna get ya. You can't send your kids to "public" schools without vaccinating them, and you can't home school your kids without being labeled an anti-government extremist.
They're gonna get ya. One way or another.
Who knows, though? Maybe the Assembly will kill it. The fact that it made it through the Senate so easily is disheartening enough, though. The hammer is most definitely dropping...
There is a reason that it's not just about you brah.
If enough people opt out of vaccinations for a given disease, the disease continues to spread or even multiply. There are entire mathematical and medical formulas for determining the exact amount or proportion of a given population that needs to be vaccinated, combined with the nature of the disease, transmission rate, etc, to arrest or stop a disease.
Although I am sympathetic or can comprehend some anti-vaccination arguments, someone not vaxxing isn't just affecting themselves, they are affecting the commons. If you don't vax, and it causes the disease to spread to others, it's not just about you.
This is the whole point of most pro-vaccination arguments. It's not... about you.
originally posted by: one4all
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: NthOther
If passed by the California Assembly (probable) and signed by the governor (assuredly), you will no longer be able to say "it's against my religion" (or anything else, for that matter) to prevent your children from being vaccinated... if you actually want them in a "public" school, that is.
Under this bill, you'll have to home school your children if you don't want them vaccinated. And we know what the government thinks of all that.
We're all being painted as "terrorists", one way or another. Anyway...
Reuters
California parents who do not vaccinate their children would have to home-school them under a bill passed Thursday by the state Senate, the latest move in a battle between public health officials and "anti-vaxxers" who fear vaccines are dangerous.
Let's stop there for a moment. Thanks, Reuters, for using derogatory verbiage that people associate with craziness (see added emphasis). Journalism at it's finest.
The bill, which eliminates the so-called personal beliefs exemption allowing parents to forego vaccinations if opposed to them for any reason, was introduced after a measles outbreak at Disneyland last year that sickened more than 100 people.
Almost sounds like a biological false flag at Disneyland, no? Hindsight is 20/20.
"The personal beliefs exemption is endangering the public," said Democratic state Senator Richard Pan, a pediatrician and co-author of the bill. The measure still allows children to attend school without vaccinations for medical reasons.
...
“The alarming increase in unvaccinated students places everyone at risk of contracting potentially fatal diseases," said state Senator Ben Allen, a Democrat from Santa Monica, whose father suffered from polio.
Translation:
We don't care what the people want, they are going to listen to us because we're the experts and we know what's in everyone's best interest--and if they don't listen to us, we'll force them to listen to us.
It's really childish, when all is said and done.
Other than bringing this to your attention (I didn't see anything posted on this bill specifically), I don't really have a whole lot more to say. The "vaccine debate" has been fleshed out so many times on ATS that the brass even made up their own official position on the matter via NLBS.
I'll simply end with this: they're gonna get ya. You can't send your kids to "public" schools without vaccinating them, and you can't home school your kids without being labeled an anti-government extremist.
They're gonna get ya. One way or another.
Who knows, though? Maybe the Assembly will kill it. The fact that it made it through the Senate so easily is disheartening enough, though. The hammer is most definitely dropping...
There is a reason that it's not just about you brah.
If enough people opt out of vaccinations for a given disease, the disease continues to spread or even multiply. There are entire mathematical and medical formulas for determining the exact amount or proportion of a given population that needs to be vaccinated, combined with the nature of the disease, transmission rate, etc, to arrest or stop a disease.
Although I am sympathetic or can comprehend some anti-vaccination arguments, someone not vaxxing isn't just affecting themselves, they are affecting the commons. If you don't vax, and it causes the disease to spread to others, it's not just about you.
This is the whole point of most pro-vaccination arguments. It's not... about you.
Actually it "is about you" and it should be.
There is no Global surety that everyone will be vaccinnated for any single disease and there are no safeguards in place Globally to segregate people so I am afraid you are asking a specific group to become guinea pigs for Big Pharma.....in fact ha ha ha you are asking the most educated groups to become willingly ignorant and voluntarlily put their trust in Big Pharma...legeslation???that isnt even trust it is forced.....
There should be LAWS DEMANDING NO MORE THAN 25% OF OUR CHILDREN EVER RECIEVE THE SAME VACCINATIONS.
Humanity CANNOT put all of her eggs in one basket.
Who will we sue when we find out we neutered entire generations???Ever wonder how many babies were never born because of the Chemicals and crap China sent to us over the last 50 years???
No one is culpable here so DO NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO LEGESLATE FORCED RAPE OF YOUR OWN BODY AND AUTO-IMMUNE SYSTEM or allow the same to be done to your children.
Forcing a virus into your body is no different than forcing any other external foreign biological extension into any other part of your body,rape is rape,sanctioned by legeslation or not.
Who would be so derelict as to suggest we put all of our eggs in one basket?
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: one4all
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: NthOther
If passed by the California Assembly (probable) and signed by the governor (assuredly), you will no longer be able to say "it's against my religion" (or anything else, for that matter) to prevent your children from being vaccinated... if you actually want them in a "public" school, that is.
Under this bill, you'll have to home school your children if you don't want them vaccinated. And we know what the government thinks of all that.
We're all being painted as "terrorists", one way or another. Anyway...
Reuters
California parents who do not vaccinate their children would have to home-school them under a bill passed Thursday by the state Senate, the latest move in a battle between public health officials and "anti-vaxxers" who fear vaccines are dangerous.
Let's stop there for a moment. Thanks, Reuters, for using derogatory verbiage that people associate with craziness (see added emphasis). Journalism at it's finest.
The bill, which eliminates the so-called personal beliefs exemption allowing parents to forego vaccinations if opposed to them for any reason, was introduced after a measles outbreak at Disneyland last year that sickened more than 100 people.
Almost sounds like a biological false flag at Disneyland, no? Hindsight is 20/20.
"The personal beliefs exemption is endangering the public," said Democratic state Senator Richard Pan, a pediatrician and co-author of the bill. The measure still allows children to attend school without vaccinations for medical reasons.
...
“The alarming increase in unvaccinated students places everyone at risk of contracting potentially fatal diseases," said state Senator Ben Allen, a Democrat from Santa Monica, whose father suffered from polio.
Translation:
We don't care what the people want, they are going to listen to us because we're the experts and we know what's in everyone's best interest--and if they don't listen to us, we'll force them to listen to us.
It's really childish, when all is said and done.
Other than bringing this to your attention (I didn't see anything posted on this bill specifically), I don't really have a whole lot more to say. The "vaccine debate" has been fleshed out so many times on ATS that the brass even made up their own official position on the matter via NLBS.
I'll simply end with this: they're gonna get ya. You can't send your kids to "public" schools without vaccinating them, and you can't home school your kids without being labeled an anti-government extremist.
They're gonna get ya. One way or another.
Who knows, though? Maybe the Assembly will kill it. The fact that it made it through the Senate so easily is disheartening enough, though. The hammer is most definitely dropping...
There is a reason that it's not just about you brah.
If enough people opt out of vaccinations for a given disease, the disease continues to spread or even multiply. There are entire mathematical and medical formulas for determining the exact amount or proportion of a given population that needs to be vaccinated, combined with the nature of the disease, transmission rate, etc, to arrest or stop a disease.
Although I am sympathetic or can comprehend some anti-vaccination arguments, someone not vaxxing isn't just affecting themselves, they are affecting the commons. If you don't vax, and it causes the disease to spread to others, it's not just about you.
This is the whole point of most pro-vaccination arguments. It's not... about you.
Actually it "is about you" and it should be.
There is no Global surety that everyone will be vaccinnated for any single disease and there are no safeguards in place Globally to segregate people so I am afraid you are asking a specific group to become guinea pigs for Big Pharma.....in fact ha ha ha you are asking the most educated groups to become willingly ignorant and voluntarlily put their trust in Big Pharma...legeslation???that isnt even trust it is forced.....
There should be LAWS DEMANDING NO MORE THAN 25% OF OUR CHILDREN EVER RECIEVE THE SAME VACCINATIONS.
Humanity CANNOT put all of her eggs in one basket.
Who will we sue when we find out we neutered entire generations???Ever wonder how many babies were never born because of the Chemicals and crap China sent to us over the last 50 years???
No one is culpable here so DO NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO LEGESLATE FORCED RAPE OF YOUR OWN BODY AND AUTO-IMMUNE SYSTEM or allow the same to be done to your children.
Forcing a virus into your body is no different than forcing any other external foreign biological extension into any other part of your body,rape is rape,sanctioned by legeslation or not.
Who would be so derelict as to suggest we put all of our eggs in one basket?
This is what I am telling you.
For each disease, there are verifiable mathematical, medical formulas for what proportion of the population needs to be vaccinated. I don't think you guys were aware of this until now. I've actually calculated some of these rates in grad school.
It depends on a set of variables, from the transmission rate, recovery rate, disease, birth rate, death rate, etc. There is no one percentage.
Polio was nearly eradicated globally due to vaccines. Before that people were ravaged by it, including in the West.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
There are entire mathematical and medical formulas for determining the exact amount or proportion of a given population that needs to be vaccinated, combined with the nature of the disease, transmission rate, etc, to arrest or stop a disease.
originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: one4all
Nobody's forcing anyone to send their kids to public school.
There's too much misinformation being thrown around, the issue was important for public health so they took the necessary steps to ensure the safety of the most people from preventable disease without forcing anyone to compromise their stances. I'm actually surprised there are still states which allow for non medical exemptions. I'm not certain why anyone's concerned by this legislation. It's unfortunate that it became necessary, but I figured those who choose not to vaccinate wouldn't want to send their kids to public school anyway.
These folks with unvaccinated children have been putting the most vulnerable population at the most risk.
Children left unvaccinated by parents choice vs. Children unable to be vaccinated due to pervasive medical conditions. The system can only support and educate one of those groups safely, and only one of those circumstances were created by someone's personal choice. I see this as the only fair course of action. Also, school taxes are paid by everyone, regardless of whether or not they have kids, it's considered an investment in the community for everyone.
originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: one4all
Nobody's forcing anyone to send their kids to public school. There's too much misinformation being thrown around, the issue was important for public health so they took the necessary steps to ensure the safety of the most people from preventable disease without forcing anyone to compromise their stances. I'm actually surprised there are still states which allow for non medical exemptions. I'm not certain why anyone's concerned by this legislation. It's unfortunate that it became necessary, but I figured those who choose not to vaccinate wouldn't want to send their kids to public school anyway.
These folks with unvaccinated children have been putting the most vulnerable population at the most risk.
Children left unvaccinated by parents choice vs. Children unable to be vaccinated due to pervasive medical conditions. The system can only support and educate one of those groups safely, and only one of those circumstances were created by someone's personal choice. I see this as the only fair course of action. Also, school taxes are paid by everyone, regardless of whether or not they have kids, it's considered an investment in the community for everyone.