Unlawful NYPD search gets dealt with in record time

eyyy, ova here.

So im from brooklyn.
and this guy addressed the officer in Bensonhurst Brooklynese.
Effective I must say.
Not much more to add.
Enjoy.


*note: contains colorful Brooklyn vernacular*



LOVE THE COP'S REACTION!

a reply to: dashen

"Honor your oath Scum-bag"

best line eva

They'll get that guy later. They know who he is.

a reply to: dashen

Hell # ya

a reply to: dashen


I guess the officer saw this fellow pass by carrying a DonkinDonut bag, and just wanted to check if this was his lucky day. But was not.

Thanks for the laugh.
That was perfect.

a reply to: dashen

While I love the snarkiness and accent combined together (my Grandparents were from Brooklyn, and that's where I get it...especially my grandpa's full-blooded Italian side), I think the guy taking the video is a dick, but the cop was absolutely right to walk away in the face of such unwarranted disrespect, so kudos to the cop.

And honestly, asking someone what's in their bag is NOT an illegal search. Both the LEO and the citizen were within their rights.

My money is on the probability that if that dude's mom heard him speak to a cop like that, she'd have smacked the # out of him (even if the cop was in the wrong).

a reply to: SlapMonkey

How is one to respond to a presumptuous, unlawful demand from a LEO? Yes sir screw me sir whatever you want sir no broom handle up my ass please sir?

Replying in a civil manner apparently creates what they call a "consensual interrogation". Reminding them of the requisites for a proper Terry stop and their lack thereof would likely also provoke them. "I do not consent to talk to you at this time" is another trigger.

So, what? Bend over and kowtow? It's not their business to ask. What is, in your opinion, the proper response? How do you say "No" to an unwarranted request in a way that makes them happy? While acquiescing to every unlawful order is the easy way out, it's not a good solution either, IMHO.

a reply to: Bedlam

Well said...its not like they needed to look into the random guy's bag. I mean come on really "whatcha got in the bag?". Looks like they weren't expecting homie's reaction either lol...shut them up quite fast. I may use this next time I'm in that situation...I'll film as well cause I'm sure I'd end up with a broken jaw if not...you know respect my authoriti!!!!

That's the way you do it. "You don't need to see his identification. These aren't the droids you're looking for. He can go about his business. Move along."

originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: SlapMonkey
How is one to respond to a presumptuous, unlawful demand from a LEO? Yes sir screw me sir whatever you want sir no broom handle up my ass please sir?

Replying in a civil manner apparently creates what they call a "consensual interrogation". Reminding them of the requisites for a proper Terry stop and their lack thereof would likely also provoke them. "I do not consent to talk to you at this time" is another trigger.

So, what? Bend over and kowtow? It's not their business to ask. What is, in your opinion, the proper response? How do you say "No" to an unwarranted request in a way that makes them happy? While acquiescing to every unlawful order is the easy way out, it's not a good solution either, IMHO.

Why is it so hard for people to understand that you can be very assertive without being a jackass? Not all responses are either black or white, left or right--there are myriad inbetweens that people should try first before seeing the only options as being a complete d*ck or taking it up the tailpipe.

Your hyperbole would almost be humorous if I didn't think you were 100% serious or have so many stars associated with this comment.

Also, asking someone 'what's in your bag' is not an unlawful order...hell, it's not even an order, it's a question. And I didn't say you have to say "no" in a way that makes the LEOs happy, you just don't have to resort to immature name calling and language--that's a sign of being unintelligent.

originally posted by: Urantia1111
That's the way you do it. "You don't need to see his identification. These aren't the droids you're looking for. He can go about his business. Move along."

This is a perfect example...even if it is a scripted Jedi mind trick.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
Also, asking someone 'what's in your bag' is not an unlawful order...hell, it's not even an order, it's a question. And I didn't say you have to say "no" in a way that makes the LEOs happy, you just don't have to resort to immature name calling and language--that's a sign of being unintelligent.

Again - what, in your opinion, is a reasonable reply to a presumptuous request? Is it your opinion that it's common in NY for people to accost you with "What's in your bag?"

Do you feel as if you'd be free just ignoring the question and walking away? If not, then yes, it's the sort of "question" you'd have to take as an implied order.

I feel it's a reasonable question to you. The trivial response is, tell them anything they want to know. However, I don't feel it's their business, on a personal or professional level, and they have no legal standing in giving that as an order, implied or no, unless they have an articulable suspicion that I have stolen something or may be about to commit a crime with the contents. Short of that, it's none of their business.

So, again, the simple and straightforward question to you, which you ignored: other than telling them '# off you # asshole', which I wouldn't give in reply in any normal circumstances to anyone, or telling them what's in the bag just because cop, what would your kind, measured, non-reprisal-drawing reply be? What is the best way to say "I don't have to say" that won't provoke some sort of negative response, yet will get the point across in some sort of non-debatable efficient manner?

Once again: What, in your opinion, is the proper response?

a reply to: Bedlam

Jesus...calm down. Why does it matter to you what my proper response would be? The exact wording, I don't know, but I can absolutely tell you what it would not include, which would be a pissy tone (at least initially), immature language and provocative utterances.

But I'm done with this little back and forth with you, as it truly serves no purpose for me--I'll still retain my opinion that the officers asked a simple question, and when refused access to the bag, did the right thing and left him alone. The guy with the camera, on the other hand, acted like an immature teenager trying to poke and prod "the man" while asserting his rights. Sure, he can do that legally, but if I ever saw my son or daughter acting like that (and then posting it on YouTube), I'd question my ability in having properly raised them.

Again, there are grey areas in how to respond; it's not always black and white as you implied in your comment.

Keep in mind, not you nor I even know what led up to that question being asked by the LEOs, and you seem to presume that they just came up and asked him out of the blue for no reason--where is your evidence that this is how it went down? Do you have the complete picture that the rest of us do not?

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Bedlam

Jesus...calm down. Why does it matter to you what my proper response would be?

I am calm. I'm also seriously asking - not in an angry way.

You say what was said was wrong. I agree. You seem to have strong opinions on how NOT to deal with something like that. I'm just asking what, in your opinion, would be safe and effective as a reply.

The exact wording, I don't know, but I can absolutely tell you what it would not include, which would be a pissy tone (at least initially), immature language and provocative utterances.

Again, what NOT to say. Great! But what TO say? What, in your opinion, would be a reasonable thing to reply that doesn't include "yes sir, it's ----- sir" as an answer? I'm curious as to what YOU would find a reasonable and effective reply that basically translates to "none of your business".

Keep in mind, not you nor I even know what led up to that question being asked by the LEOs, and you seem to presume that they just came up and asked him out of the blue for no reason--where is your evidence that this is how it went down? Do you have the complete picture that the rest of us do not?

Unless he came bolting out of a store with security in hot pursuit, or there's something obviously unlawful poking out, can you think of ANY reason why a cop would have a reason to ask what's in a bag?

originally posted by: Bedlam
I am calm. I'm also seriously asking - not in an angry way.

My apologies--it seemed as if you were asking in an intentionally pestering way. This is what makes communicating over the internet difficult at times.

Again, what NOT to say. Great! But what TO say? What, in your opinion, would be a reasonable thing to reply that doesn't include "yes sir, it's ----- sir" as an answer? I'm curious as to what YOU would find a reasonable and effective reply that basically translates to "none of your business".

Well, to be fair you are asking in a pestering way, but that's fine. Remember in my response to you where I included the 'perfect example' of how to respond--the Star Wars quote posted by Urantia1111? I mentioned that because it was a good way to calmly let an LEO know that they don't need to know what's in your bag if you're not suspected of a crime and you don't consent to a search. Simply replying something like, "My stuff...why are you asking?," would have been a much better response. Sure, it may have led to a little more dialogue, but it treated another human being with initial respect until they did something to earn the disrespect shown in the video. But, with the officers willing to walk away from this guy considering how he spoke to them, I highly doubt that responding calmly and politely would have elicited any different response from them.

Unless he came bolting out of a store with security in hot pursuit, or there's something obviously unlawful poking out, can you think of ANY reason why a cop would have a reason to ask what's in a bag?

Again, it's not illegal for an officer to ask somebody what's in their bag...he didn't demand to search the back, or have the guy show them the contents, or anything. For all we know, the guy may have been loitering outside of a federal building for an hour prior to being approached--we just don't know. But to answer your question, yes, I can think of mANY reasons why a cop would have a reason to ask what's in a bag, because asking what's in a bag is not illegal for an LEO to do, as long as they walk away if the owner doesn't want them to know (without a warrant, of course).

Keep in mind, in the video, the officers apparently stopped an NYPD van in the street in order to confront this guy, so it would seem a logical conclusion that he was at least doing something that was perceived to be suspicious in order to cause the confrontation. But, I could be wrong--we just don't know.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Bedlam
I am calm. I'm also seriously asking - not in an angry way.

My apologies--it seemed as if you were asking in an intentionally pestering way. This is what makes communicating over the internet difficult at times.

I guess from MY point of view, pretty much any answer other than just telling them would likely be taken as either confrontational or a challenge to their authority, unless I knew the guys personally.

I found the guy's reply to the cops to be way over the top, in pretty much any circumstance.