Subway employee celebrates Miss. cops' death on Facebook

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Shamrock6

What does any of that have to do with her working at Subway? Did she write those messages using the Subway page or was she holding a sign while wearing her uniform? If not, why connect the two?

Nobody should be fired for voicing their opinions unless that person is a known spokesperson for the company or doing it while representing. If a company holds those standards for minimum wage employees then they need to pay them 24/7 for living up to Subway ethics while off the clock. Off the clock is off the clock.

Let's get back to why I replied to you in the first place. You originally stated that nobody should be fired for voicing their opinions. I find that extremely ignorant. If someone's opinion is openly celebrating murder, especially that of two LEO's,(one white who was policeman of the year, and one black who was a young rookie cop) I know where they stand as a person and have no trust in them at that point.

If you are employing a nanny who is watching your kids, you have every right to monitor their social media, and do a background check on them. You would be a terrible parent for not doing that. Same goes for an employer who can be sued for their employees actions. Employing someone who openly celebrates murder is employing someone with psychological issues. That person is a risk and adds no value to your company.

originally posted by: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Shamrock6

What does any of that have to do with her working at Subway? Did she write those messages using the Subway page or was she holding a sign while wearing her uniform? If not, why connect the two?

Nobody should be fired for voicing their opinions unless that person is a known spokesperson for the company or doing it while representing. If a company holds those standards for minimum wage employees then they need to pay them 24/7 for living up to Subway ethics while off the clock. Off the clock is off the clock.

Let's get back to why I replied to you in the first place. You originally stated that nobody should be fired for voicing their opinions. I find that extremely ignorant. If someone's opinion is openly celebrating murder, especially that of two LEO's,(one white who was policeman of the year, and one black who was a young rookie cop) I know where they stand as a person and have no trust in them at that point.

If you are employing a nanny who is watching your kids, you have every right to monitor their social media, and do a background check on them. You would be a terrible parent for not doing that. Same goes for an employer who can be sued for their employees actions. Employing someone who openly celebrates murder is employing someone with psychological issues. That person is a risk and adds no value to your company.

I know you can read the rest of the sentence you took out of context. I mean, you even quoted it. I didn't say "nobody should be fired for voicing their opinion period. You didn't even finish the sentence? That was sort of the main qualifier for what I said.

If I were her boss and she had, on her profile, that she worked for me and she even had pictures of her in my company's uniform and then posted that crap? Yeah, I'd fire her. When we were first discussing this, it was unclear there was any connection other than the ones people dug up from snooping on her but now we know better.

I'll reiterate one more time. The only reason I chimed in was because it brings up an alarming precedent (or possibility of one). If you are hired by the hour and you clock off for the day, what you do after they stop paying you can still get you fired. To me, that's worth exploring as it seems like that should obligate the employer to pay for off-time since they expect you to technically work for them when you aren't there.

I never once said I agreed with her or that she was anything other than a hateful person.

I haven't read the thread but that FB post doesn't look like a celebration to me. Looks like she posted the cops were shot and then posted that the shooters were caught (the got 'em) was the arrest of the shooters.

Edit: never-mind. I guess that emoticon is laughter (not crying) sigh... Stupid girl. What was she thinking? Her 10 mins of fame are going to follow her around, any future employer will only need to google her name and find this info. Good luck with life.

a reply to: Cuervo

I didn't think I needed to post the rest of it, since I posted your whole comment already. Did you not see your WHOLE post right above that? Wow...

Anyways...who cares if they are a "spokesman" for the company or not? Honestly, the world views all employees of companies as spokesmen for the company regardless of position. Whether it is right or not is a different story, but that was why I touched on why it does matter what your employee does off the clock.

If you are saying dumb things on social media you can and should be held responsible for it. They don't need to pay them 24/7 wtf are you talking about? Do you go outside? I mean seriously, the world can be a terrible place. There are terrible and violent people out there. Which is why we need police to keep them from ruining EVERYTHING. Otherwise they WOULD.

Companies are on the line for all the dumb things their employees do on a daily basis. You as an employee have nothing to lose. If a McDonald's employee treats you wrong or spills coffee on you it isn't the employee that get's sued, it is the company.

So it is important to a companies best interest that they employ good people. If someone is dumb enough to post something on Facebook they are more than deserving to be fired for it.

Maybe if enough people get fired for posting dumb things on Facebook, people will stop using it so much.

a reply to: c0gN1t1v3D1ss0nanC3

Like I said, there are two sides to it and it's worth discussing. That proverbial slope can get slippery. I value my work-life balance which is why I was never interested in pursuing politics or becoming a public representative to an entity (aside from my own projects). To me, a sandwich artist isn't a representative (unless they are actively representing like posting picture in the uniform).

For example, if you went to a bar and heard somebody say something completely racist or sexist, do you ask them where they work so you can tell their boss? And, if you did, do you think they should get fired? What if they had a blog that empowered women but their boss was a misogynist... should that person be able to be fired?

That's what I'm talking about. The particular Subway situation seems pretty cut-and-dry and Subway fired her because she made it no secret she worked for them while saying what she did. I'm just talking about what it means.

originally posted by: buster2010
So just because she wasn't working a high paying job it's ok for a company to control every aspect of her life? Or is it that blacks who work low paying jobs have no rights in your eyes.

Its got to be the blacks....

What color was she anyways? I don't care but it seems so many others do. People can have an opinion, and people can be fired for that opinion. Buster2010, I don't see you defending all the other Facebook firings, why this one? Personally I would say she wasn't fired for her opinion as much as being stupid and doing what so many seem to feel they can do and have no repercussions.

a reply to: Shamrock6

I believe they were right to fire her. People who want to blame the company for her comments are misplacing their ire. She is the one that is wrong. Can you imagine this person serving you food? What if she decided she didn't like the way you looked

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
I believe they were right to fire her. People who want to blame the company for her comments are misplacing their ire. She is the one that is wrong. Can you imagine this person serving you food? What if she decided she didn't like the way you looked

I agree, and even though I never cared for Subway (always was a Togo's guy myself, if I was going to order from a sandwich chain, I prefer a small deli) It's not their fault that they hired an imbecile. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: newyr
I haven't read the thread but that FB post doesn't look like a celebration to me. Looks like she posted the cops were shot and then posted that the shooters were caught (the got 'em) was the arrest of the shooters.

Edit: never-mind. I guess that emoticon is laughter (not crying) sigh... Stupid girl. What was she thinking? Her 10 mins of fame are going to follow her around, any future employer will only need to google her name and find this info. Good luck with life.

This is a hard lesson in 2015. I have been very clear to my kids that a camera is not your friend and anything posted anywhere can come back to you many years later. If I need to say something sensitive I call, if it is really sensitive I do it in person. Emails have ruined many careers even when the comment is offhanded and spur of the moment. One would think the young generation would be all over this in understanding, but I guess it takes a 55 year old to explain... geez

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort
I'm not a huge fan of police but I would never openly celebrate anyone's death. I think her posts were extremely ignorant and if she worked for me I'd fire her as well. Mindsets like hers are a huge part of the problem. Even if you don't like cops, you don't go around publicly condoning their deaths. They have families just like everyone else.

Meh, on the other side people celebrate deaths of criminals all the time. Including the media which is supposedly trying to damage control on behalf of the establishment at the moment.

And lets not pretend the police force, the government and the establishment in general do not have their fare share of criminals who haven't been caught, or would never be prosecuted.

I keep hearing all these police deaths lately, huge media pieces on all of them how "senseless" they are. But they still ignore the root of the problem. The fact two humans are killing each other over a piece of plant matter which was harvested and refined (it was a drug related shooting, the last one) means humanity is backwards in a few more ways than they'd like to admit.

The medias and societies solution to a woman at subway cheering on the death of an officer? Bridge the divide further so instead she will cheer on the death of whoever the police kill.

Everyone deserves it. No one deserves it. Its one or the other.

a reply to: PorteurDeMort

The NAZI leadership had families too mate, but plenty celebrated their demise didn't they.

Not everything is black and white.

Yes, this woman is a pathetic piece of crap Human being...but it's a free country. If she thinks someone's death is a happy occasion, but doesn't do anything to contribute to that death or incite more of the same or some other criminal activity, that is part and parcel of being free...it's the rough side that comes with the smooth side of our freedoms. You don't have to agree or like what she said, but if you value your freedoms, you'd better be ready to support her right to say it, even if what she's saying is disgusting and pathetic.

a reply to: boncho

No, it's not "everyone deserves it or no one does." The world doesn't break down into neat little "one or the other" blocks, and broad, sweeping generalizations like that rarely apply.

Not everybody deserves to live to 90 and not everybody deserves to get smoked at the ripe age of 25.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

That thought crossed my mind. A cop pops in for lunch at Subway...what happens to their food? Bleh.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
That thought crossed my mind. A cop pops in for lunch at Subway...what happens to their food? Bleh.

You ever see Super Troopers?

Farva: Give me a double bacon cheeseburger.

Dimpus Burger Guy: [into mic] Double baco cheeseburger. It's for a cop.

Farva: What the hell's that all about? You gonna spit in it now?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

And a liter of cola. Can't forget the liter cola.

originally posted by: buster2010
So where are all the people crying freedom of speech? If she did this on her own time the company has no right to fire but if she did it on company time then they have the right. Funny how people support the idea that a person is on company time 24/7 if the company wants to do that then they need to start paying accordingly.

Unless you are intimately familiar with the employment contract this person agreed to I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. If her profile made it perfectly clear who employed her and she made comments that are in any way seen as being something that her employer would believe gave a negative perception of their business, then they in most likelihood have every right to terminate her employment. Given that her post could be seen as celebrating the murder of law enforcement officers, it's not too hard to see why they may have taken this action.

originally posted by: uncommitted
Given that her post could be seen as celebrating the murder of law enforcement officers, it's not too hard to see why they may have taken this action.

I suspect they wouldn't have cared whatever if she hadn't had that shot of her in her sammitch artiste uniform for all to see.

Which is sort of an interesting twist. What if you wanted to heat up the lives of, say, an airline or a record company? Just make a fake persona on Facebook with the person in corporate garb, and post "I wanna shoot all da cops bang bang" ad nauseum.

Instant feeding frenzy.

Hmm.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: uncommitted
Given that her post could be seen as celebrating the murder of law enforcement officers, it's not too hard to see why they may have taken this action.

I suspect they wouldn't have cared whatever if she hadn't had that shot of her in her sammitch artiste uniform for all to see.

Which is sort of an interesting twist. What if you wanted to heat up the lives of, say, an airline or a record company? Just make a fake persona on Facebook with the person in corporate garb, and post "I wanna shoot all da cops bang bang" ad nauseum.

Instant feeding frenzy.

Hmm.

It is a possibility, and I've no doubt this may have been done before, but unless the person is a dead ringer for someone who works for that corporation then it would be easy to declare it a hoax fairly quickly I would have thought?

originally posted by: uncommitted
It is a possibility, and I've no doubt this may have been done before, but unless the person is a dead ringer for someone who works for that corporation then it would be easy to declare it a hoax fairly quickly I would have thought?

All you have to do is say they're lying to cover their guilt.

originally posted by: buster2010
So where are all the people crying freedom of speech? If she did this on her own time the company has no right to fire but if she did it on company time then they have the right. Funny how people support the idea that a person is on company time 24/7 if the company wants to do that then they need to start paying accordingly.

She most certainly has freedom of speech. 100% and I defend her right to do so.

Subway (or their Franchisee) has the absolute right to terminate her for it, since she did it in her Subway uniform.

Actions have consequences.

Seems like the situation was reversed when one of the Duck Dynasty guys got fired/suspended for speaking his mind about gays. Liberals were up in arms saying A&E had every right to fire him, and refused to accept that he had a right to speak his mind as well.

Works both ways.

But the difference is, he wasn't celebrating the death of two people just doing their job.