Need help naming the terror of the night

a reply to: Bayy007

Magic tricks, tricks of the mind again.. A magic trick only works on a voluntary audience. Magic and mind control are often metaphors for each other.. Demons, and Psychology.. Which came first the human mind fearing demons, and we create the placebo of demons, or is it demons exist so we fear them.. In both cases it has no real effect on the real phenomena.

I have always had strong energy. So maybe that's all it is.. I'm like a tempting light

Fear is the strongest feed back loop I can think of..
Tulpas.. Yes..

For me the Demons were there from seemingly before birth.. Like I was marked. Though there was lots of fighting in my house and parents eventually divorce.. Not a happy home in lots of ways.. But you see again.. It's a chicken egg type thing.. What came first my demons or my demons haha..

I look at it like this.. It's all in our heads.. Demons are part of the mental realm. And so it's all in your head.. Of course I think everything else is all in your head too.. To whatever extent..



Ok I have to get out of this topic..
Happy music time.. Something scaring my cat.
Have fun guys. Be good.

When I initially heard of this case, we got a little background information before actually going there. The activity that was initially reported seemed to coincide with it being an Alp. I called this name and asked it if it was one and I didn't get a response? Maybe he didn't want to tell me.. ha But I feel it in my heart there may be more to this story than is being told, something is being left out. a reply to: DAZ21

The idea of a succubus springs to mind.

Interesting. I will look into this and make a note for each new place that I do. It would be cool to see a pattern emerge. Haha thanks, I decided I was done with my purple hair for a little bit. a reply to: Greathouse

a reply to: DAZ21

Great Addition! I wonder if they could be the minions [lessers] that seek out locations and/or persons to feed upon.

Also known as 'Mares' and would sit on chests causing a feeling of suffocation.

a reply to: Bayy007

I'm not sure you can call it out...I think you have to wait while the victim it's attached to is sleeping and wait for it to come. if it is an Alp, then you will see a manifestation of some sort, where once caught in the act can be banished.

a reply to: Bayy007


Magic posters

Dreams
Dogs that aren't there
People who aren't there

There is a demon in the lesser key of Solomon called Fegot. Who is a demon of illusion

Just an idea

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes I agree with you that there are many ways to cast out a negative force, other than priests. You just need to find someone who holds their ground, unwavering in whatever it is they believe. The dark ones' goal, I feel is to cast doubt, so they can begin to plant a seed that they can grow until it's out of control and you don't even know it. And yes, if it was a stronger entity it would need to be dealt with a little more seriously and it gets more dangerous because they don't want to go, and believe they have the power to stay.

We told the client basically not to give it any energy, not to speak of it in the house with others or even on the phone. To keep a positive light and not be afraid, and if it ever gets to the point where they can't help but be afraid, to immediately leave the situation and stay with a friend. Thankyou for your support, we need all the help we can get.

a reply to: Lgbtlivesmatter Thankyou, I will look into this.

a reply to: DAZ21 You are right, though I have read that Alp's are often seen wearing a hat? This being that the client sees is almost spider like with it's movements, very quick, lots of limbs, and crawly type of spider feeling in the way that it moves. She says she feels like it can see right through her, like she cannot hide anything from it.


I'm thinking maybe not an Alp? But something along the same lines. It clearly did not want to talk to us while we were there investigating, it was almost too quiet like I could feel it trying to shield themselves as not to be seen by people that can assist in the removal process.

a reply to: Lgbtlivesmatter

Intriguing! I have that book out now. Where are they referenced? My interest is piqued.

Reminds me of Vigo in ghostbusters II.

a reply to: Bayy007

I have heard that version too, but not convinced myself about a hat... I think that's more likely folklore, Like when someone says draw the devil, they always picture a red guy with horns, etc. I don't believe that a hat is required.

Anyway, it's up to you to decipher, I think this is the most likely character, but I could easily be wrong.

I'm just not convinced myself that this is a more powerful demon, it seems more like an irritating creature that has bound itself to the victim. And as you know things like Alp and incubus, aren't very powerful but can have some disturbing effects.

I'm confident that you'll get to the bottom of it, hopefully I'm right, and this thing won't be hard to banish. Anyway, good luck and let us know how it goes.

originally posted by: J.B. Aloha
a reply to: Lgbtlivesmatter

Intriguing! I have that book out now. Where are they referenced? My interest is piqued.

Reminds me of Vigo in ghostbusters II.

Having trouble finding it.. Found some random reference from some other book saying it's in the true keys of Solomon.

"Fegot chief servent to Sirachi, an agent of lucifer. Demon of illusion can make nightmarish monsters and chimeras appear to be real.."

^paraphrased Linky

Chimeras are mixed monsters.. Like a man with a dog head for instance.




EDIT:

Mictlantecuhtli was associated with spiders,[6] owls,[6] bats,[6] the eleventh hour, and the northern compass direction, known as Mictlampa, the region of death.

He is also a Twin and is represented as a Dog..

Check it out


I'm not finding good references but I remember this particular Dog and twins symbolism, because it's come after me in my own life.. My old whatever I used to remember about it I have now forgotten.. Links seem hard to find.


The Twins are always born of a virgin.. A good and a Bad twin.. They are sort of a trinity.. Basically If I am right or at least in any way close you are seeing something working for lucifer as that is what he would be calling the twin.. Makes me think of Sirius the Dog Star as a twin dog star system.. One starbright in the sky, one you cannot see.. The dark star.. People some how knew of these from way back...


It is a fractal universe... We ARE the gods... This demon seems to be saying it's the dark twin.. But at what level? He's definitely not lucifer... Fractally something that is a metaphor for lucifer at a lower level.. Something not too too bad.. Bet it wants you to think it's WAY more powerful than it is.


A lower fractal form of Loki.. The Trickster.. The Twin of Thor... Scar in the Lion King.. The Trickster Jackal..

originally posted by: Bayy007
Okay, so a little background on me..I have been in a research and investigation team for about a year and a half now, we get called in from scared and/or curious homeowners and business owners. In my short time doing this I have seen (as well as not seen) and heard many weird things happen that were seemingly unexplainable and recently, we went on a case of a residential haunting and I need your help to try to identify what kind of a creature or entity is haunting this home. I feel like I have my finger on it but I just can't seem to put a name to it for some reason. I believe that once we know what exactly we are dealing with we can effectively ward it off and gain some of the power back for the homeowner. I'll give you a little (non-identifying) background and information; I believe the entity to be demonic (jokester type) in nature. (For the skeptics out there, my group and I rule out mental illness/drug use/or anything that could be deemed not in fact 'paranormal' before, during and after our investigations that take place.) The homeowner, when they spoke you could tell they were shaken up by their experiences and that they truly believed that everything they were saying actually happened.

ACTIVITY REPORTED: Client states she had been in home 3-6 months before the knocking began, followed by voices, and nightmares soon after; where this weird dark figure would creep all the way around the house. Describes it as being a super-dark spider man, who would creep all around her dreams and set alarm off in real life right as he was about to enter her room in the dream state.

Dreams of people who mean a lot to her having a party in the backyard, and everything would be normal. Then it would take a turn and people who she trusted, including a priest would start doing weird stuff; like chasing people around the backyard with a knife and seeing a dark shadow kind of manipulating what her loved ones would do, making them act out on everyone.

Clients brother saw client and their other sibling one night while staying at house alone, even though at the time the client and their sibling were in Sweden (there's no way they could have been there). Brother described it as being as crystal clear as them standing in front of him, to the point he's trying to interact with them and calling their names with no response, they just stand in front of him staring at him.

One night, client had a friend stay over (reason for contact), and it was about past midnight to approx. 2am when clients' friend was screaming at the top of their lungs “Help! Help!” Client asks if they're okay and turns on the light, friend is still in a daze and can’t see anything. Says something black just came over them in their dream, like someone threw a really thick blanket over them and then it felt as if something was sucking the life right out of her. Friend was not aware of the events that were taking place in the home.

Another weird dream where client was in home sleeping and in the dream she wakes up and goes out to the living room area and there are two dogs sitting there waiting for her almost, yet she only has one dog (the smaller dog is hers) and a lab (which she doesn’t have). There was a door open down along the hall a lot of activity happens along and that she thought that was weird. Client (still in dream) let the dogs out and told the lab to go along and when she wakes up in the bed (in real life), wondering if it really happened or not. Client goes back to bed and begins dreaming again, this time in the dream she hears noises in the garage and goes to check it out when she opens the garage door (in dream) there’s two girls in the garage, playing and they turn around and their faces are completely distorted, and it was very scary looking. In the dream she understands she’s not scared of the girls but what’s controlling the dream, so she let's the girls go outside and tells them to get home. After this she just tries to put the thought out of her head so she can get some sleep.

MY THOUGHTS: I feel like it is demonic in nature, but there is a name for this creature type. Does anyone have any other experiences with something like this or have you heard of a creature such as this? I want to say that it seems like it's not personal in nature like it's out to get the client specifically. The home that it occupies is rarely ever lived in, mainly used as a vacation home so it's my feelings that somehow this creature got here and now it's taken up residence and whenever someone comes over to visit he now has the opportunity to entertain himself while at the same time sucking up all the fear energy it builds up.


What are your thoughts?

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The spirit communicating in dream could be good. And or another spirit setting off alarm to protect her from the bad spirit and or demon.

Answers are all in the dreams. That's the way the people who passed can communicate with us that don't have a very advanced ability or very open as a child would be.

You might also want to look into area myths of the native Americans.

For example, Iktomi ( also Unktomi or Inktomi) is a Lakota and Dakota Sioux trickster figure. His name literally means 'spider' and when the English learned about him, they took to calling him "Spider-man". Usually he is only a mild trickster, the stories about them tend to be funny fables. But sometimes he can become violent and misbehave on a more dangerous level.

CdT

a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

Funny thing about the trickster Spider guy is he seems to be the same twin thing I was talking about in my other post..

Actually I just read cherokee and others myths and they all are agreeing on this same character...

He has a thing about not having eyeballs.. Has human forms..

In Cherokee it's really funny because his same name means "white people." They named us after him... They named us something to the effect "white devils" haha.. I say us, I'm white (German) and Cherokee and Lakota..

Natives have many tales of dog men, and spider men... Interesting thread..

Twins and Dogs... Romulus and Remus..?


But I am not saying that's who this demonic thing is.. I think it's making some sort of reference.. It's trying to scare you.. If it was saying it to me I know what it would be saying to me, but that's my own personal thing.


The Smartest of the siblings.. The Wolf.. The Beast.. Loki.. Satan.. St nicholas. (patron st of wolves).. Klaus..
His "Twin" would be his brother the Stag.. The Cross.. The Noble one.. Richard.. Elijah.. Jacob..
The twins in Lost...

When Demons give me the Jesus/lucifer references I find it a bit like they are overplaying their hand..



I'm noticing that there are many references to Dogs being Angels.. If you watch Jupiter Ascending.. The Dog men have had their wings cut off.. For rebelling.. Sounds familiar right?

a reply to: J.B. Aloha

Cats were once deemed mares. The tale goes cats would sit on a young child's chest, who fast asleep from a recent meal of warm milk. The cat would lean forward, attracted to the scent of milk, and would then begin gentle heading to get the baby to breath deeper. The cat would begin a deep breathing ritual which allowed the cat to inhale the baby's breath, leaving the poor child literally breathless, with only bits and blobs of milk around the baby's mouth.

This tale is also the reason the flower is called "baby's breath" as the tiny white flower resemble babies milk blobs.

a reply to: KnightLight You said something regarding him having a thing about not having eyeballs. One thing the client mentions and that her friend mentioned was that whenever the dark force appears it is like a dark shroud going over and they are left pretty much sightless. They can't see anything but the dark, like someone came a long and put a black bag over their faces. The friend also woke up screaming, with the light turned frantically on and had a complete loss of sight, her eyes were open and she could not see anything until whatever it is was lifted off of her then she gained her sight back (within minutes). Wondering if maybe we're getting somewhere. It seems more and more like maybe it is trying to play a game and putting out a lot of fear traps (in the hopes of getting strong(er?)) I am feeling more and more like they're putting out more energy than they really have and client states she feels as if it's 'upping the ante' because she normally tries to just not pay attention to it, so it's trying to do more and more to get her attention and in a sense 'pulling out all the stops'. Maybe it feels as if it needs to boast and show itself off, because it is in fact maybe just a minion? Something is telling me there is more to it.. Though I am growing more and more convinced that it could possibly just be the little bird fluffing its feathers only to appear mighty. A magic trick if you will, in making something appear bigger than it actually is.

a reply to: CirqueDeTruth WOW! So I looked this up and one thing that caught my attention about the Iktomi is "Iktomi is a shapeshifter. He can use strings to control humans like puppets. "Iktomi This is exactly what the client stated she saw happened in her dreams. The people she loved and trusted the most, being manipulated by this being following behind them, manipulating their actions, like a puppet master. I feel we are getting closer to the true nature of this being. Thankyou for your valuable input.

a reply to: Bayy007

Or it's playing a matador.. It needs the person to charge it.. Pun intended.

And I am telling you in every way subtly... Don't play with it.

I get rid of demons similar to drunk dangerous people.. I try not to appear as if I notice, and only force them out if I can overpower them outright.


The Bohemiam Club motto (bohemian Grove): "Weaving spiders come not here."

"Dreamweaver."

Still the Dog and Twins is to me a Lucifer reference..

My weird ways of combining data in my head have brought me unto this link.. I have not read this yet, and I am reading now, but it has that feel like that first insight, of me knowing something about the twins thing... might be something here..

Gemini false God

"...the Divine Twins [are] the constellation Gemini...
"Twins symbolize that which is simultaneously identical and nonidentical. They represent duality, separation and contradiction, but also similarity, duplication and repetition. Divine twins represent the potential energy of opposition and the great creative force unleashed by their unification. For example, Rome was founded by Romulus and Remus (N.B., raised by a she-wolf), in which it was necessary that they fight and one die. The twins represent the opposites: light/dark, extroversion/introversion, objectivity/subjectivity, action/thought, action/passion, aggression/pacifism."