DEA legally steals $16,000 from young adult

really dislike these laws that allow police and other agencies that enable legal theft! this is disgusting!

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: blackthorne

The Justice Department stated they would no longer be carrying on this practice:

thefreethoughtproject.com...

But I don't think that applies to federal agencies.

~Tenth

originally posted by: blackthorne
really dislike these laws that allow police and other agencies that enable legal theft! this is disgusting!

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Yeah....I have read about a lot of cases like this before. It is pretty outrageous. The fact that you can do nothing about it and they just leave people stranded is crazy. Whomever allowed this law to pass should be bankrupted and told to figure it out. I can't believe they can confiscate as little as a few hundred dollars....

a reply to: tothetenthpower

i like the statement, "when he came to him, he was the only black person in the car, and the questions were more intense for him and the requests to search him more intense as well."

OP, you need to do more than write a single sentence and post a link.

In the future could you please quote something from the article and provide more general information to entice others to actually read the linked article.

Thanks,
Asktheanimals
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

many apologies! i will endeavor to do so in the future!

"We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Sean Waite, the agent in charge at the DEA's Albuquerque's office, told the Journal. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”

originally posted by: ColeYounger
"We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Sean Waite, the agent in charge at the DEA's Albuquerque's office, told the Journal. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”

Yeah....that quote is really disturbing....

a reply to: blackthorne


The whole thing is so beyond disgusting, we no longer have protection under law we are all on our own.

The federal program led to nearly $6.8 billion in seized cash and property from 2008 to 2013, the report says. A series in The Washington Post published last year showed that since 2001, $2.5 billion had been seized in cash alone -- all from people who were never charged with a crime and without a warrant being issued.

I thought this was even more disturbing: $6.8 billion in seized cash

[A February report by the Institute for Justice, a libertarian group that focuses on civil liberties, showed how widespread civil asset forfeiture has become. The federal program led to nearly $6.8 billion in seized cash and property from 2008 to 2013, the report says.]

and

[my office got four to five cases just recently, and I’m just one attorney, you know this is happening thousands of times.”]

That is some serious theft going on....

originally posted by: blackthorne
a reply to: tothetenthpower

i like the statement, "when he came to him, he was the only black person in the car, and the questions were more intense for him and the requests to search him more intense as well."

This has nothing to do with racism, it is a problem for all Americans as well as our guests.

Framing it as something other than overt government corruption and abuse or to limit it to a particular genetic strain of human beings is a disservice to truth and our hopeful unified liberty as citizens.

Federal & Local Law Enforcement Agencies Try to Take Family Motel from Innocent Owners

Another useless agency that needs to be dismantled. No drugs no crime. The property seized needs to be returned with interest and along with legal fee's. Funny that they find no crime so what do they do? They steal the money! This is why people need to register to vote and talk to their congressman and put it on ballot to vote this con mafia agency out of business. Then seize their money and assets for a change. We have the power to do it and voting and using the legal system is how you take back your rights and power. You play the game by stacking the odds against them and vote them right out on to their asses.

I don't like this at all, they are basically punishing people who are able to save money. I wonder if it is only cash that is being seized, which is my guess, or if other assets are being seized as well.

In this economy, the police could use this as an excuse to take any extra money from poor people because, even though they could have earned or saved it, it is probably "illegal money."

a reply to: blackthorne

Black fella with $16,000 in foldings = obvious criminal ready to traffic drugs / has just taken drug profits

White fella with $16,000 in foldings = obvious nothing because he does not look like someone who "might be trafficking drugs"

CIA = traffics drugs and guns, starts wars and generally just flux up the planet where ever they roam.

Awesome America and their dirty little habit of not dealing with that "yellowstone" of racism that's about to

EXPLODE

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: ColeYounger
"We don’t have to prove that the person is guilty,” Sean Waite, the agent in charge at the DEA's Albuquerque's office, told the Journal. “It’s that the money is presumed to be guilty.”

Yeah....that quote is really disturbing....

Maybe someone should go hold up a bank under the guise of a citizens arrest and take only the money that is guilty of war-murder and defrauding the public. Should be a two way street, I think.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Didn't they say the also would not raid medical marijuana operations in states where it is legal?

To my understanding local LEOs still partake in citizen asset forfeiture. In face the Fraternal Order of Police opposes any changes to the current asset forfeiture laws.

Bills opposed by the Fraternal Order of Police

Legislation or amendments that would have the effect of weakening P.L. 106-185, the "Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000"

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: blackthorne
a reply to: tothetenthpower

i like the statement, "when he came to him, he was the only black person in the car, and the questions were more intense for him and the requests to search him more intense as well."

This has nothing to do with racism, it is a problem for all Americans as well as our guests.

Framing it as something other than overt government corruption and abuse or to limit it to a particular genetic strain of human beings is a disservice to truth and our hopeful unified liberty as citizens.

Federal & Local Law Enforcement Agencies Try to Take Family Motel from Innocent Owners

In this case it seems to be BOTH.

a reply to: Char-Lee

The federal program led to nearly $6.8 billion in seized cash and property from 2008 to 2013, the report says. A series in The Washington Post published last year showed that since 2001, $2.5 billion had been seized in cash alone -- all from people who were never charged with a crime and without a warrant being issued.

And that is just what they have declared...you can bet there was a whole lot more seized that is not mentioned here

I'd rather go to jail with my money for defending myself against the cop. You are far more likely to defend your assets if you force them to take you before a judge.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: blackthorne

The Justice Department stated they would no longer be carrying on this practice:

thefreethoughtproject.com...

But I don't think that applies to federal agencies.

~Tenth

I may be wrong here but wouldn't the Justice Department oversee (for lack of a better word) the policies and procedures of the DEA?

The DEA isn't it's own entity. There must be someone who holds them accountable and it seems the JD would do just that as they are a part of the Federal gov't.