This Is What Happens When You Elect Climate Change Deniers

a reply to: Grimpachi

Like I said, "useful idiots believe that tripe and repeat that same nonsense in forums such as this one without actually LOOKING into the science for themselves and seeing if it is wrong". It's funny how they quoted that post and proved me right by doing it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Holy smoly, I think I could finally agree with you on post about this situation. At least some of one. In the fact yes we can change our resources from fossil fuels to renewable resources. And we should. I'm just not jumping onto the band wagon that we need anymore government funding research into what is happening to be paid by the citizens. We need funding to go into the actions to change the pollution. And as for climate change world wide its always a long rollercoaster ride that goes up and down. So let's agree to disagree that it's all man made and we are the cause of everything just cause we are that significant and Mother Earth is so fragile.

a reply to: KuzKuz

You and I can agree to disagree no problem, but at no point should we stop trying to find all the ways that humans are damaging the planet. If climate is one of them, then dammit we need to find out how and what we are doing.

It should be noted that I think that man-made climate change is only the tip of the iceberg. There are all sorts of other types of pollutions that are destroying our planet as well, and science directed at them is rather lacking at the moment. For instance, why aren't we discussing the wide scale dumping of toxins into our freshwater and oceans?

Climate deniers eh?

So after DECADES of the EPA, and the CLEAN Air ACT, and the DECADES of other taxation,and regulation how is there 'climate change' ?

Oh that's right because the Earth's climate has been in a constant state of motion from the get go.

Where it was once hot it got cold.

Where it was once wet it got dry.

Where rivers once flowed changed or dried up.

Where lush fertile land once produced bumper crops tuned in to deserts.

The Earth is not doing one thing it hasn't before.

So the solution to 'save us from the planet' is to spend more money on caviar schemes.

LOL.

Utter nonsense.

Nice attempt trying to marginalize those of us who do have critical thinking skills.

So lemme ask this: After DECADES of green legislation how the hell can there be climate change ?

Oh that's right Menchen called it DECADES AGO.

Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

en.wikiquote.org...

But I digress.

We are all gonna die if we don't tax,spend, and regulate us in to oblivion to 'save' the planet.

a reply to: neo96

You write that rant yet ignore how much is spent on the military, the bank bailout/subsidies, and oil subsidies.

Typical of your posts, just cherry-pick a few things that you can knock down with faulty reasoning while completely ignoring the bigger picture. In fact the term 'climate change' is now used as a result of George W's think tank because it is not scary and the rabble rousers and ill informed will proclaim the climate is always changing therefore we can not do anything about it.

We are all going to die regardless of what we do, the responsible thing is to make the world a better place. Not continue with the status quo an continue destroying planet for profit.

a reply to: jrod

You write that rant yet ignore how much is spent on the military, the bank bailout/subsidies, and oil subsidies.

So ?

More is spent on social engineering programs.

But guess what ?

The technology they use to that climate change BS came from DOD spending.

Typical of your posts, just cherry-pick a few things that you can knock down with faulty reasoning while completely ignoring the bigger picture.

Really ?

The bigger picture we already have the EPA, the clean air act, and thousands of regulations. That all are suppose to 'protect' the environment.

What the proponents of 'climate change' and 'global warming' crowd are doing is creating a totalitarian state the like the world has never seen.

What the proponents of climate change are doing is saying the EPA, and all that legislation has been a waste.

the responsible thing is to make the world a better place.

Then stop supporting politicians, and their endless idiocy.

Climate change is mainstream political hackery. It ain't got nothing to do with science or making the world a better place.

Trillions of debt, WARS, and everything else they have done we ALL know, and yet not surprisingly the mob 'trusts' them with the fate of the planet!

The planet will be here long after us.

Surviving supervolcanoes,asteroids,meteors, and everything else.

originally posted by: neo96
So ?

More is spent on social engineering programs.

But guess what ?

The technology they use to that climate change BS came from DOD spending.

Irrelevant. As long as money is being spent on environment destroying processes the environment isn't being saved.

Really ?

The bigger picture we already have the EPA, the clean air act, and thousands of regulations. That all are suppose to 'protect' the environment.

What the proponents of 'climate change' and 'global warming' crowd are doing is creating a totalitarian state the like the world has never seen.

What the proponents of climate change are doing is saying the EPA, and all that legislation has been a waste.

OR they aren't doing enough to help things. But that isn't surprising since literally everything you just listed is a stop gap measure and not a solution. Currently there are zero attempts to reverse man made climate change in the works, just slow it down.

Then stop supporting politicians, and their endless idiocy.

Climate change is mainstream political hackery. It ain't got nothing to do with science or making the world a better place.

Trillions of debt, WARS, and everything else they have done we ALL know, and yet not surprisingly the mob 'trusts' them with the fate of the planet!

The planet will be here long after us.

Surviving supervolcanoes,asteroids,meteors, and everything else.

Climate change wasn't some scheme thought up by a bunch of corrupt politicians. Sorry to tell you this. It was thought up by real scientists studying a real event. There may have been (probably are) politicians that have hijacked this idea for their own greedy purposes, but that doesn't mean that Climate Change is wrong.

I think it is very telling when a CC denier debates politicians' opinions when debating climate change and not the actual science. It shows they don't know what they are talking about.

originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: Krazysh0t

They just voted to turn off the measuring equipment from space that monitors temperature. That this would be something the people against the cover-up would do is crazy.

I don't even think I care that much about AGW. Its something we would be concerned about in a less evil world, and there is still no really effective means for fighting it I can see. But I can't understand the people who just refuse to accept that it could be happening at all. We release a gas from our cars. It traps sunlight. Over centuries of releasing this gas, things are heating up.

Humans have only had cars for about 120 years, so we have a few more centuries?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Irrelevant. As long as money is being spent on environment destroying processes the environment isn't being saved.

What's irrelevant is opinions in this thread. Especially so since the US government doesn't control the entire planet.

OR they aren't doing enough to help things. But that isn't surprising since literally everything you just listed is a stop gap measure and not a solution. Currently there are zero attempts to reverse man made climate change in the works, just slow it down.

How about the US government end illegal immigration,terrorism, them evil corporations, and gun violence, and every other political issue before they tackle 'climate change'.

Oh that's right. They haven't stopped any of those after decades.

Climate change wasn't some scheme thought up by a bunch of corrupt politicians.

Yeah it is.

It would be different if the EPA didn't exist, or the clean air act or the state level legislation.

Or the endless propaganda on the net, and tv channels like the 'green channel' and others.

I think it is very telling when a CC denier debates politicians' opinions when debating climate change and not the actual science.

That was damn right hilarious as there is NO science in politics. As 'climate change' is a political issue.

I Agree some people do not know what they are talking about.

That's those who push the US government has to save us from the big bad planet.

That's the same government that has a snip poor track record of stopping anything.

From terrorism. to drugs, to 'gun violence', and all parts in between.

originally posted by: neo96
What's irrelevant is opinions in this thread. Especially so since the US government doesn't control the entire planet.

It seems to be doing quite a fine job of holding back climate research since the rest of the world has already moved past this even being a discussion and are debating ways to fix it. Yet here we are still debating on if it is true or not.

How about the US government end illegal immigration,terrorism, them evil corporations, and gun violence, and every other political issue before they tackle 'climate change'.

Oh that's right. They haven't stopped any of those after decades.

Apples to oranges comparison.

Yeah it is.

No. It isn't. If you think otherwise, then prove it. Show me which politician thought up the idea of man made climate change.

It would be different if the EPA didn't exist, or the clean air act or the state level legislation.

No it wouldn't. The EPA does more than combat man made climate change.

Or the endless propaganda on the net, and tv channels like the 'green channel' and others.

Awareness campaigns make Climate Change unbelievable? Lol what?

That was damn right hilarious as there is NO science in politics. As 'climate change' is a political issue.

I Agree some people do not know what they are talking about.

That's those who push push the US government has to save us from the big bad planet.

That's the same government can't has a snip poor track record of stopping anything.

From terrorism. to drugs, to 'gun violence'.

You make the oil companies proud being a useful idiot for them.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It seems to be doing quite a fine job of holding back climate research since the rest of the world has already moved past this even being a discussion and are debating ways to fix it. Yet here we are still debating on if it is true or not.

Holding back what exactly ?

Scientists have made billions off it.

Politician's have made billions off it.

Them evil corporations are making billions off it with the carbon 'credit' scams.

In fact the only thing politican's have done in this country is out source wealth,jobs, and pollution to places like China.

I'd say it's been a raging success.

No. It isn't. If you think otherwise, then prove it. Show me which politician thought up the idea of man made climate change.

YEAH IT IS.

From the way back machine.



There is not one original argument that comes from the 'climate change' crowd.

It has been recycled cosistently since the Carter administration.

You make the oil companies proud being a useful idiot for them.

www.forbes.com...

Useful idiots eh?

That's what I think of those who tow the climate change line.

a reply to: neo96

Scientists have not made billions off Climate change, neither have politicians. Some politicians have made millions off of denying climate science though.

Also Archie Bunker was a caricature of Conservatives.

a reply to: neo96

Holding back what exactly ?

Scientists have made billions off it.

I am unfamiliar with the names of rich scientists and I can't name a single climate scientist that makes over 150K a year. In fact, the highest paying job title related to that field would be a coastal engineer and on average they make about 138k a year.


Who are those rich scientists that are sucking up those billions that you are talking about?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
It is insulting to call science a religion... If you are going to debate the topic then prove it wrong. Calling it a religion is just a science denialism buzzphrase, probably cooked up straight in an Oil company's board room.

Even the oil companies get it right sometimes...

so, do you live downwind from a coal-burning plant, or a oil refinery, or in the middle of a fracking field....by the way how is that acid rain?...oh right!....we don't have it anymore in this country..... because scientist's actually discovered that it was killing plants, contaminating drinking water, and making people sick.and they finally got it taken care of by presenting the evidence to congress, and getting laws passed, after years of protests, and court battles from the energy producers.....gee....I guess in your world, we should have left that up to all those fine, upstanding, and moral oil, gas, and coal companies.....

originally posted by: KuzKuz
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Holy smoly, I think I could finally agree with you on post about this situation. At least some of one. In the fact yes we can change our resources from fossil fuels to renewable resources. And we should. I'm just not jumping onto the band wagon that we need anymore government funding research into what is happening to be paid by the citizens. We need funding to go into the actions to change the pollution. And as for climate change world wide its always a long rollercoaster ride that goes up and down. So let's agree to disagree that it's all man made and we are the cause of everything just cause we are that significant and Mother Earth is so fragile.

earth is not fragile, mankind living on it is...
these articles point out the disappearance of edible sea life
www.cbsnews.com...
news.nationalgeographic.com...

apparently we are significant enough to cause this....I think we have already crossed the boundary of no-return, we are seeing the slow destruction not only in our oceans, but on our land masses, and in our atmosphere. there will be wars over clean drinking water, sources of food, shelter from violent and more frequent storm systems. it'll take awhile, we here will be long gone, but the affects are going to become more severe when our grandkids are old. the earth will shake us off like a dog shakes off a flea, and the earth will take a few thousand years before it able to support a creature similar to a human...my 2 cents

As others already pointed on how ludicrous is your statement about scientist that made billions by pointing that we are turning into main destruction of our little planet, let me focus on another part of your post that deserves little attention...

originally posted by: neo96
Them evil corporations are making billions off it with the carbon 'credit' scams.

Actually corporations that made money are the one that are doing most damage, but I believe you don't even know much about history about another scam they ran - lead in fuel - it made it easy to transport, but even all data pointed we increased dramatically content of lead in air, corporations continued using it because one scientist was not recognizing data - just because we did not have enough of old data to compare. But once we got data thanks to drilling of ice on antarctic, it was almost too late and damage was done on couple of generations?! (guess what are some symptoms) This with climate change is no different...

originally posted by: neo96In fact the only thing politican's have done in this country is out source wealth,jobs, and pollution to places like China.

What this has to do with given topic??

originally posted by: neo96
I'd say it's been a raging success.

Just like our education.... showed best in this topic. Denial of science is just amazing...

originally posted by: neo96
www.forbes.com...

Useful idiots eh?

That's what I think of those who tow the climate change line.

Tell that to people effected with climate change, for example in Texas ir India today, who knows... you might get affected in future... question is will you be aware that it was partially your fault as well...

Jeez,the globull smarming dogma continues!What a surprise!

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: neo96

Scientists have not made billions off Climate change, neither have politicians. Some politicians have made millions off of denying climate science though.

Also Archie Bunker was a caricature of Conservatives.

Really? You are being sarcastic I hope. If not, then...just wow.

Al gore didnt make millions off of people like you thinking that the north pole would be completely melted by 2014 ?

He was poised to make billions more off the failed cap and trade scam. Instead all the politicians that were in a position to do so, made things easy for "green" companies in exchange for favors and donations...solydra ring a bell?
How about all that funding that goes to these scientists to try and prove their theories of man made global warming? We are talking billions in funding for these projects. So yeah, you are right, no one has made money off of the global warming fear industry.

a reply to: SM2

He is neither politician not scientist, nor did he make billions.
Million and billion are different.

How about all the money that goes to subsidize the burning of fossil fuels.
Can we talk about how they would have a vested interested in keeping things the same to rack in the billions?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: SM2

He is neither politician not scientist, nor did he make billions.
Million and billion are different.

How about all the money that goes to subsidize the burning of fossil fuels.
Can we talk about how they would have a vested interested in keeping things the same to rack in the billions?

How is he not a politician? He was Clinton's vice president. That makes him a politician. I said he has made millions, and was poised to make billlions off of the cap and trade bill that was defeated.