OMG It's going to rain in California. Will the storm bring the BIG ONE!

originally posted by: dezertdog

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: butcherguy

Then there are the earthquakes…..

What earthquakes?

Natives don't call the little stuff quakes, we call them, "Did you feel that?" Then theres the next serious level, some stuff fell off shelves, followed by broken glass and car alarm symphony. In the midwest, tornados do that almost every day. Let alone friggin golf ball hail…

The last sixer here was a decade ago…

quaketrack

The list is missing the 7.2 quake of April 10, 2010 in Mexicali. I was living in the Coachella Valley at the time and we were rocked pretty good. Living in SoCal since the mid sixties I've experienced many quakes. That Mexicali quake was one of the most intense I've felt.

God help me I love a good quake.

Same here. Thanks for pointing out the Mexicali quake.

originally posted by: SunnyDee
a reply to: intrptr
I am not disagreeing with you, but as far as I can see, industry and farming has diminished in our state, not grown. Which industries are sucking up all the water, other than ag?

The last 4 years have been dry and warmer than usual, that I can see for myself. The 4 years prior were heading that direction. It's about time for a new pattern!

Sorry, I gotta go. Heres a quick search of Agro, read on almonds, Rice, Alfalfa and cotton, very water intensive.

Link to articles

Nestles steals water on old permits to bottle and sell elsewhere. Big Oil uses lots of water, too…

Just to prove to myself that I wasn't wrong about the rain, I double checked to see current conditions. It seems like light rain is coming through the San Jose area. I found a very cloudy webcam. But I wonder if those clouds are dense enough to provide a good rainfall.



www.kcra.com...

a reply to: ericblair4891

I live in CA. We are all praying for rain today and tomorrow. Please pray with us!!

Note: 2 Earthquakes here yesterday, one south and the other north. I live on the San Andreas Fault and where 2 oother fault lines intersect with the SAF.

I have to take 2 minute showers and kill my lawn. I am ok with that. Done the drought thing twice before.

a reply to: Ultralight

Yes, I shall wish you relief. I've been watching the radar trying to get a fix on where the storm will go, and to gauge how much is falling. I must admit I am a weather nerd and often watch radar. WOW. I've just watched a storm front evaporate. In the radar loop, you can see the water and cloud disappear. I'll also admit much of what I wrote was slightly tongue in cheek. Because my logical mind can see that the water won't make it deep underground. It seems as if much of the water is atomized and is sucked into the atmosphere. Only a small percentage will hit the ground. I will however, hope that the cold front will sustain and pull in more moisture from elsewhere. I just looked at Yellowstone's webcam and they are getting a heavy snowfall. So, there is cold, and there is some moisture in the west. Let's just hope it last until after nightfall and it cools off enough to allow the stuff to reach the ground.

I'm sorry, I didn't want to get into the politics of water. But. California, you need to fix your problem now. Cause it will always be an issue. You need to look to the future and invent a better mousetrap. You need to recycle water. And, pump the water from your ocean, and get the lead out. Or, the salt out. Spend the money now. I now you are broke. So, what. You'll get broker if you don't fix the water. Your population and demand is only going to grow and you have been shown the math of the matter.

Imagine if California had all the water it wanted to waste. It could grow even more food, and it could lead the world to a different future. It's not as if most of the world isn't watching what you are doing.

To add, you can sell the water you produce into Colorado. They're also in need. And if you look around at all your neighbours, you see they can use some as well.

It's raining. In Salina, California. It also looks as if the storm may reach Southern California. It's moving very fast. Here's a live shot of Salina and the rain from a local webcam.
www.oaklines.com...



Someone's prayers have been heard. It's raining pretty good in Salina. Here's a shot of a very wet street. The storm is riding down the coast due south. I'm such a geek that I am following the storm on the seismograph readings on the helicorder/webicorders.

earthquake.usgs.gov...

You can see thunder. On the graphs I mean. You can't see thunder. If I get any good readings of thunder I'll post the graph. The storm is approaching a place where there's like ten stations.

You can tell which people aren't from Cali...Lol, anyways I have long been waiting for some good rain! Its been awhile since a good T-Storm with lots of rain has rolled through. I have a feeling it will pass between Bakersfield SE...

a reply to: ericblair4891
Californians have been fighting for desalinization plants, instead of the stupid high speed rail between sf and la, but so far it is falling on deaf ears. Makes me think people in high places don't want us in Cal anymore.

The proposed 68 billion so far that it will cost for the rail could fund 7 desal plants along the coast. Or build a water pipeline from maybe washingtion state for a small percentage of that!

I'm from Southern Ontario as well, now living in Alberta. What a change in weather patterns ... not as much rains, a constant wind, not as hit as Ontario csn get, and winters aren't as cold for the most part.

I do miss my Ontario rain and thunderstorms ... something I think about time to time. Rain, thunder, and the energy created from these stroms, is almost enchanting to me. I csn meditate and be still in a thunderstorm

As for California, if it were me, any amount of rain would be nice. I'm not cut out for constant heat and dryness.

The rains, the water element is a must have for me. I miss living o lake Ontario.. I think of moving back sometimes, but I'm happy here in Alberta, for now

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And here when you mentioned "rain" and "Big One" in your headline, I thought you were thinking of an "ARkStorm" scenario. Ever since people started talking about The Blob off the coast and I heard about this type of super-flooding storm scenario, I wondered if they might be linked.

pubs.usgs.gov...

It's basically where a tropical moisture flow gets locked in a bit like a PIneapple Express on 'roids and brings torrential rain and winds to Cali. It could flood the whole bay area, and there is some evidence from historical account that this type of scenario may have happened in the past.

I'm in BC, and we've been having really strange weather. The day before last we had sun in the morning, then an intense hail storm which caused flooding, then back to sun. It's been a bit of a trend the last few weeks. Sunny morning, mid-day storm, then back to sun. Really strange. And we're still getting snow on the mountains here too, on and off. Seems like the weather can't make up its mind. Really hot today though. By 9:00am it felt like mid-day heat.

Living right on the coast earthquakes are always on my mind. I saw earthquake lights last year and we put the whole house into emergency mode just in case. Seems like the last couple years there has been more talk about the coming quake too, as far as getting the public prepared.

Earthquake simulator deployed to prepare Vancouver residents for the big one.

City officials hope it will make people realize how catastrophic a quake would be, and to scare them just enough to finally put together a survival plan and kits for the home, car and office

Read more: www.vancouversun.com...

Earth will rip open like a zipper, expert says, when overdue Vancouver Island quake strikes.
The odds of another megathrust earthquake and tsunami on Vancouver Island happening within the next 50 years are about one in 10, says Bird.

Read more: www.thestar.com...

originally posted by: DAVID64
It sorta makes sense that rain could help trigger a quake, you have the extra weight and the water also acts as a lubricant. On the other hand, I don't know jack about quakes and always look to TA for good info.

I sure hope your 'partners' know that you think water is a lubricant.

a reply to: ericblair4891

I haven't seen any evidence at all that rainfall has any impact on EQ activity, and I'm sure someone would have looked at that by now and found a correlation if one existed.

As for the drought, this rainfall is going to do diddly squat. It would take months of continuous torrential rain to restore the water table to an appropriate level, all a little rain shower is going to do is create run off and give some people a little more to use for a couple of days.

What people don't get is that this drought is caused by decades of over use, drilling down to suck up every drop there is, continuously, even while rainfall was declining. The ground is a water tank, and it should be that a population on that land only survives with access to those abundant resources, the same as food.

Instead of dealing and managing what they have, California has allowed corporations to abuse their water and done absolutely nothing to mitigate it.

Food is now shipped and delivered all over, but water isn't. States are still reliant on what they can get in their region, and California has been drinking its reserves and even shipping it OUT for years, sending the water table lower and lower and putting them at crisis point.

Even without a decline in rainfall California has been using more water than it has access to, that's what has caused the drought, and that is why this is not going to be solved by some rain. The population of the state and burden on the water supply are too considerable. It's unsustainable.

California should have restricted well drilling more than a decade ago, but no one did. Instead, they let greedy corporations siphon out trillions of gallons of water and ship it around the world at a sickening profit.

a reply to: Rocker2013

I mentioned research in China and drought. I quickly found this. As well, I linked to the ATS thread where I discuss what I found about 1906 and 1989.

globalvoicesonline.org...

Here's one about the drought and pumping in California. There is research on the relationship on the web and it's easy to find.

www.nbclosangeles.com...

Researchers are saying the depletion is putting strain on the faults. I am saying, and other research suggests that after the drought, the water puts the stresses into flux.

a reply to: ericblair4891

Well, glad that Cali will see some needed rain, and intrigued by your idea. Is it possible Sure. Water weights a lot. If the fault line was already at a stage that was close to causing a quake, it seems reasonable that a lot of water, all of a sudden, could tip the scales, so to speak. Guess we will see!

I don't think I could live in that state, though. Drought, wildfires, mudslides, quakes, and some seriously crazy policies!

a reply to: ericblair4891

Well, glad that Cali will see some needed rain, and intrigued by your idea. Is it possible Sure. Water weights a lot. If the fault line was already at a stage that was close to causing a quake, it seems reasonable that a lot of water, all of a sudden, could tip the scales, so to speak. Guess we will see!

I don't think I could live in that state, though. Drought, wildfires, mudslides, quakes, and some seriously crazy policies!

originally posted by: ericblair4891
Water is found deep in our crust in a crystalized form.

Crystallized form? Do you mean ice? I don't think you'd find much ice deep in the earth's crust. Too hot.

Is there some other form of crystallized water that I don't know about?

a reply to: FyreByrd

Rainfall is the immediate and direct cause of landslides.

Water acts as a lubricant. When a large amount rainwater seeps into soil, the soil's pore water pressure increases. The friction and internal cohesion of slope materials reduce. This reduces the strength of slopes and destabilises slopes.

Didn't mean it works on people.

My last thought. Wasn't actually as much as a thought as it was more of a laugh. I checked the weather in Cali. Just now, It was 16 degrees Celsius C. Here in Ontario, we are, and Quebec, going to set records for heat. It's 30 here. Nearly twice as hot in the relative north, as in the Southwestern Desert. WE had no spring. Only winter and now summer. Oh, no earthquakes in California to speak of. Just lots of tiny ones. Bigger ones you will find in Oklahoma.

a reply to: butcherguy

There was a minuscule amount of rain in LA and San Diego.

It needs to rain for months to make up.