Police: Clayton County Sheriff Hill shoots woman inside model home

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: mOjOm

Yeah, it's everyone else not you.

Well, it's obviously you since you're the one talking about where Al Sharpton may want to live and theorizing what I might have eaten for breakfast today instead of discussing the actual topic of this thread.

So, yeah, it's not me. I know the topic and am trying to discuss it. You on the other hand, I don't know WTF you're talking about.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Ultralight
a reply to: mOjOm

Yeah, it's everyone else not you.

Well, it's obviously you since you're the one talking about where Al Sharpton may want to live and theorizing what I might have eaten for breakfast today instead of discussing the actual topic of this thread.

So, yeah, it's not me. I know the topic and am trying to discuss it. You on the other hand, I don't know WTF you're talking about.

The topic at hand is a black sheriff indicted for 27 counts of corruption and sued for $7,000,000 for illegally firing police officers, predominantly white, while posting black snipers on buildings.

See, that's the nutty reason why we have to address this guy, whether or not he is racist and if he is racist, then that is part of the discussion.

But hey, the Atlanta Journal Constitution would not know what they are talking about.

originally posted by: soulshn
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Un-f'ing believable!
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I fail to see what is not easy to believe, here.


Thug shoots citizen.

The thugs have law on their side- it just means they've won, and legal has won over right.


No one can stop bath of blood

originally posted by: WarminIndy

The topic at hand is a black sheriff indicted for 27 counts of corruption and sued for $7,000,000 for illegally firing police officers, predominantly white, while posting black snipers on buildings.

See, that's the nutty reason why we have to address this guy, whether or not he is racist and if he is racist, then that is part of the discussion.

But hey, the Atlanta Journal Constitution would not know what they are talking about.

I'm in shock. You finally presented some evidence for the topic and to back up your claim. Thank you. Was it that difficult to simply put that forward??? Did it really need to go through multiple posts to finally explain what you were talking about??? After all, I only asked you to explain on my first response to you. But, I shouldn't complain I guess, at least you got there eventually.

Ok, so now, if what you say about this sheriff is correct and I know some of it is already because I've read the same thing, then your claim might actually have some merit. Good for you.

However, even if we assume he is racist, how exactly does it fit in with him shooting this woman??? Do we know what race she is??? Because if she's black then it kinda shoots your theory to hell.

If you think I am trying to keep race out of this because he's black your nuts. If this was race based that's fine with me, I would just like to see some evidence for it before we go there that's all.

So what else ya got???

a reply to: mOjOm

Well, it seems a lot of Clayton County residents feel that way. They live there, they should know.

And now, have you just condescended me?

We will know soon if it was race based, but even if it isn't, we still have to deal with the issue of Clayton County residents who feel that way.

Do you feel better now? Have you gotten that warm fuzzy feeling of patting my little head?

originally posted by: lordcomac

Thug shoots citizen.

The thugs have law on their side

So the Cops are now Thugs??? All of the cops or just the bad ones???

I would agree that bad cops are Thugs. In fact bad cops are really the same as a street gang only cop gangs have better resources and political backing which make them even more dangerous. However, I don't think all cops are in on it and that there are some good ones left in there too.

They do have the law on their side however, you're right. But it's not unstoppable by any means. There are far more of us than them.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: lordcomac

Thug shoots citizen.

The thugs have law on their side

All of the cops or just the bad ones???

Is there a good cop when the good ones don't arrest the bad ones?

You and I would be called accomplices, to them they are called co-workers...

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: mOjOm

Well, it seems a lot of Clayton County residents feel that way. They live there, they should know.

And now, have you just condescended me?

We will know soon if it was race based, but even if it isn't, we still have to deal with the issue of Clayton County residents who feel that way.

Do you feel better now? Have you gotten that warm fuzzy feeling of patting my little head?

I feel great that we are actually having a conversation about an issue and providing evidence to support our positions now, yes. The reason is because until you show me evidence of him possibly being a racist I don't have any reason to think he is. Even then race may have nothing to do with this shooting, so you still have some work to do, but at least you're supporting your claims now.

I did read about his troubled past and him firing the other cops. However, I didn't read about them mostly being white cops that were fired or anything else about him being racist. Where did you read about that??? Can I get the link???

I would find it pretty strange if he shot this woman just over race though. Not saying it couldn't happen but that's pretty extreme for someone in his position. Do you think there might be something else that would lead him to do it besides race??? Because just picking some random person to shoot because you're a racist cop is a big risk to take without any other reason.

originally posted by: Neutrality

Is there a good cop when the good ones don't arrest the bad ones?

You and I would be called accomplices, to them they are called co-workers...

You got a point there. The ones that just "go along" are accomplices or accomplices after the fact which are still crimes, you're right.

There are some that don't play along though, so there are at least a couple good ones out there. They make the news on occasion and I don't know what happens to their job afterward, but that's another topic I guess.

But I'd say I agree with you on that. What is really concerning is that for such corrupt cops to be allowed such impunity in their actions would mean corrupt LEO's goes up the chain of command very high. Wouldn't also mean that "Internal Affairs" would also have to be corrupt too???

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: lordcomac

Thug shoots citizen.

The thugs have law on their side

So the Cops are now Thugs??? All of the cops or just the bad ones???

I would agree that bad cops are Thugs. In fact bad cops are really the same as a street gang only cop gangs have better resources and political backing which make them even more dangerous. However, I don't think all cops are in on it and that there are some good ones left in there too.

They do have the law on their side however, you're right. But it's not unstoppable by any means. There are far more of us than them.

This is the one thing we agree on.

Wow.

I think people forget that there are a lot of cops who came from the ghetto.

I tried to find one that was still working, a lot of the articles are old, but here is one from New York Times

From Police One

a reply to: WarminIndy

Well now, that is interesting. Seems this guy is has some kind of issues going on after all. In fact being a racist cop might just be the start of it.

Even if he turns out not to be racist I'd say he's certainly a dirty ass cop up to no good it seems. Makes you wonder how these guys go up the ranks to reach such positions when they have so many problems at the same time in their history.

It will be interesting to see what develops with this story. What he was even doing at this model home in the first place is an interesting question too. Assuming she was there alone, why would he go there to begin with and what would lead him to shoot her in the stomach and then skip out without giving any kind of statement??? Why would he be allowed to do that also???

Of course the killer cop being black in this case is not important.

That's why they're rioting in the streets there, right?

a reply to: mOjOm

originally posted by: abe froman
Of course the killer cop being black in this case is not important.

That's why they're rioting in the streets there, right?

It might be important according to what WarminIndy has presented. But we'll have to wait and see when more info comes out. There's no evidence for or against him shooting this woman just because he's racist. It actually seems kinda personal to me. It could be that she had info about some other shady stuff he was up to and he had to silence her.

This shooting, while possibly having race involved, is not about that alone. According to the report he knew this woman. He is also out of his jurisdiction and off duty. The model home had just recently closed up for the day as well so he may have deliberately timed it but knew that he'd be let in.

This has personal written all over it. I don't know in what way or to what degree it was personal but this wasn't something random.

My best guess at the moment is that with his past history she had some info about something that involved him and they had some disagreement about it and he shot her. That's all my speculation however.

Apparently there were also 2 witnesses in the house as well and the gun at the house that was used may not be his service weapon. Which means it's either a "burner" that he just carries with him in case he needs to commit a crime or it could have been a gun on location already.

We'll just have to keep watching for more info for now. Racism however is pretty flimsy as a motive at this point.

a reply to: Ultralight

I didn't say all, I did say "most" though.

Not that nit picking is my thing.

originally posted by: mOjOm
This shooting, while possibly having race involved, is not about that alone. According to the report he knew this woman. He is also out of his jurisdiction and off duty. The model home had just recently closed up for the day as well so he may have deliberately timed it but knew that he'd be let in.

This has personal written all over it. I don't know in what way or to what degree it was personal but this wasn't something random.

My best guess at the moment is that with his past history she had some info about something that involved him and they had some disagreement about it and he shot her. That's all my speculation however.

Apparently there were also 2 witnesses in the house as well and the gun at the house that was used may not be his service weapon. Which means it's either a "burner" that he just carries with him in case he needs to commit a crime or it could have been a gun on location already.

We'll just have to keep watching for more info for now. Racism however is pretty flimsy as a motive at this point.

How about this scenario, as she is a realtor and personal friend, they used the model house for some...you know...and she refused him and it made him angry because she wouldn't do what he expected.

Here is the house listed and the agent. I read that Carol Booker was the friend of the woman and they work at Paran Homes.

This will get deeper.

a reply to: soulshn

It IS a THEM vs US issue.

Now you get to see exactly how people feel elsewhere in the World when America invades, sets up home and so forth.

This time you are up in arms, because you see it in your own country.

Same thing, different place.

originally posted by: BestinShow
a reply to: keenasbro

Ban firearms...Police and criminials only.

Ther that will solve most of the gun related deaths for yer.

What the fu(k..?

Were you actually suggesting that Criminals identify themselves to authorities so they can have their firearms confiscated..?

Ignorance truly is Bliss...imagine if Common Sense were free, you'd get the Deal of the Century.

I think you and 12 other people missed sarcasm.

You might wanna go stand in line for that deal of the century.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: abe froman
Of course the killer cop being black in this case is not important.

That's why they're rioting in the streets there, right?

It might be important according to what WarminIndy has presented. But we'll have to wait and see when more info comes out. There's no evidence for or against him shooting this woman just because he's racist. It actually seems kinda personal to me. It could be that she had info about some other shady stuff he was up to and he had to silence her.

Here is a link to the news report video, there were two other people, the potential home buyers. This reporter has said the police say they were dating.

An entire thread about a claimed accidental shooting, and there are no links (including the news channel's video report) that has any real details or substantial intormation and it has already garnered 13 flags as of my writing of this.

So much for waiting for evidence and information...it just boggles the mind how people salivate so much over any story of an LEO shooting someone.

I concede that the sheriff, in not cooperating with police and seemingly having an iffy background from his first term as sheriff, is certainly opening the doors for speculation in a negative light, but I refuse to just fall into the rutt left by the all-police-are-thugs bandwagon. I wish others would do the same--wait for some real information on the case, THEN make a determination on how you want to view the situation.