House Votes to Allow D.C. Employers to Fire Women for Using Birth Control

a reply to: buddha

if you dont have a baby by your 30th.
then they use artificial insemination. if you dont have a baby by your 30th.
then they use artificial insemination.

Who uses Artifical insemination after 30? You are still fertile up until your 40, and over. My step son's mum gave birth to him at 41, granted his father was 30, but age doesn't necessarily fully dictate fertility levels. There are many factors.

You only have a 1 in 4 chance of getting pregnant at your most fertile in your 20-30s, just keep having sex, if you feel there are no other issues in the way of you getting pregnant . Its a numbers game.

a reply to: PLAYERONE01

The boss, and it's only some of them, are required to provide health insurance plans to their employees. Heck they can even shift a lot of the cost of those plans over to their employees, who are required by the same law to have them! The law that requires all this is what many refer to as obamacare, and it requires those health insurance plans to include birth control. But since birth control is opposed by some religious groups, that mandate has been exempted in some occasions. One of them being if the employer has the religious belief that birth control is prohibited by his religion. So well, we have a bunch of businesses that may or may not really want to have birth control included in their insurance for various reasons. And we have some of those businesses being let off the hook because of their religious beliefs and well the fact that they have the money to win court cases against the law.
But well it's the religious beliefs of the PEOPLE that should be protected to begin with, not businesses. Well you could have a person who has very valid medical reasons for being on the pill being denied coverage because her employer's religious beliefs, in which case her only options would be to change employers or seek her coverage elsewhere, or well just go without coverage, all of which could be costly.
You also have people who sincerely belief that the birth control is wrong being forced to purchase a plan that includes it and their only option is to find a business that has been exempt from this portion of the law or go without the insurance and pay a hefty fine for doings so!
Obamacare is a crappy law that was written with little foresight beyond making the insurance companies more $$$. And because it's so crappy they are having to find all these ways to make it work for as many as they can while staying within the constitutional principles. And well the more they try to do this the more they are opening up a bunch of pandora boxes that are in effect taking rights away from the american citizen! What the heck the religious businesses now have more rights that the american PEOPLE do! The can deny their employers coverage for birth control if their religious beliefs find it offensive. But the people cannot not opt out of that coverage if they do, and well that insurance coverage that the religious business is providing (and some of those businesses with the exemptions are huge corporations) are drawing money from the US taxpayers to accommodate the employees so that they have the coverage (possibly weather they want it or not) and to be frank, for some women getting pregnant might cause some pretty unwelcomed side effects. And these side effects could be far worse than what would happen if many of the other items included in the insurance policies weren't there!

So ya I spend some time focused on the developments in this area. Even with all the other things going on in the world! A women's healthcare need to prevent conception shouldn't be thought of as secondary or elective, especially if the danged same insurance policies are including coverage for viagra! But more importantly, the bill of rights were written for the PEOPLE, not businesses and there is no way in hades that the rights of businesses should be upheld while the rights of the people are dismantled. and maybe I am wrong but it seems like the obamacare birth control mandate has opened the door for that. and well those of us who have misgivings about the morality of birth control shouldn't need a religious affiliation to have those misgivings acknowledged and protected equally.

In plain simple words if businesses shouldn't have to provide birth control coverage to their employees on beliefs, then no parent should have to provide that coverage to their minor dependents if they find it equally offensive! And I've looked and I don't see when that protection has been granted! Not unless you are a parent with alot of $$$ for court costs! IF I am wrong maybe someone can provide me with a link that explains how I as a parent can opt out of the birth control mandate.

originally posted by: Lgbtlivesmatter
a reply to: buster2010

No he's right, there is nothing in that , that even eludes to the situation where you could be fired for using birth control.

You are not being honest, and you have the where-with-all to call someone else ignorant?

I'm with many of the other posters, why are so many focusing on this with the real problems we have?

Cities are in riots, people are being killed, there's going to be a "marshal law" military drill

And you're on about this?

If you were so worried about rights, then why isn't the focus on those issues above?

We are focusing on other issues but the government is capable of multitasking. A persons right to not have another persons religious views forced on them is just as important as all those other issues.

a reply to: Metallicus

ETA: If you are using birth control you are by definition having sex only for recreation which means no one should have to pay for your entertainment but you. However, if you decide to pay for my cable and internet I might be willing to change my mind.

Go learn something about birth control before posting. Birth control also helps with medical issues that some women have so these religious nutcases are not only denying birth control they are also denying medical treatment to these people.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Can someone please tell me why the GOP, the party of Eisenhower and Lincoln, appears to be going collectively utterly insane? Bills like this are utterly irrelevant and pointless. Although they do show how little control Boehner has over his own party and how useless he is.

It's because the GOP wasn't infested with evangelical "Christians" who thinks America should be run by Christian dogma. This is what the founders of this nation was directly against.

a reply to: buster2010

not to mention that some women are on it because they have to be on other medications that will cause bad deformaties in babies and well in those cases the gov't used to (maybe still do) have been known for force them to use the birth control and even force the abortion onto them.

and well then you have this aspect of it:

blog.chron.com...

straight for the religious mouth!! sex is a necessary component of a healthy marriage!

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Uh oh. Somebody woke up the Welshman...

Here, have a little something to chase that hangover away.


(Just kidding of course. Happy to see you in this thread.)

a reply to: buster2010

And many places that opt not to provide birth control pills gladly make exceptions if it prescribed for a hormonal imbalance, or to help control polycystic ovarian syndrome, etc. Please don't assume that just because someone disagrees with you they are blind to reality. I make that assumption of no one, regardless of their views or beliefs. Unless they demonstrate that it's actually the case. Your statements are casting a wide net, and were it coming from the other side of the discussion you'd likely call it stereotyping at best.

I'm about four posts down and haven't read any further. My guess...the liberal/progressive/dem OP posted this for some bites and to get his left friends all hopped up. So, I'm not wasting my time reading the link because I don't have the time to fall for the BS. So now, I am going to jump further into the thread and see if I was right.

HA!!! Right as usual. Just another screwed in the head, lying liberal trying to spark some arguing for no reason. More proof that liberals/progressives/etc. will lie, cheat and steal to get their way or make their point. Completely untrustworthy which should make them ineligible for any government office. I mean...since ALL liberals are liars (as proven again by the OP) and we can't put trust in them...they can't represent us.

What say you OP...liar?

a reply to: pfishy
and you seem to be casting a very narrow net.

some companies might make exceptions in some cases. but are all the companies making exceptions for all the instances when an unplanned pregnancy can cause extreme medical problems for the mother? I highly doubt it! and why on earth should any women have to go through that kind of invasion of privacy to prove that her health would be endangered? We don't make the patients that are on pain medications go through such invasion do we? how about those that are on anti-depressants? just because they are a little depressed, do they really need that medication, will they die without it?

originally posted by: Metallicus

ETA: If you are using birth control you are by definition having sex only for recreation which means no one should have to pay for your entertainment but you. However, if you decide to pay for my cable and internet I might be willing to change my mind.

Healthcare covers Viagra and Cyalis along with Penis Pumps and/or implants. Which by definition means they are also having sex for recreation as well but I sure don't see Conservatives having issues with that. You know why there isn't a fight against healthcare coverage for Grandpa's Boner Pills???

Because the idea that Conservatives can't get it up to f*ck anyone anywhere at all times means life just isn't worth living.

Getting some old fossil's wrinkled junk hard again so he can plant his evil seed in some young woman while at the same time taking away any options she might have in stopping that seed from coming to term and bringing another conservative hypocrite in to the world seems to be the ideal world for today's conservative.

Conservatives seem to be just fine with others paying for them to get "hard" again but the rules change when women want some protection from those conservatives getting "hard on" them as a result.

If conservatives want to be selfish and cheap, fine, we already expected that. But at least be cheap and selfish across the board and stop paying for Boner Pills and Boner Machines along with Birth Control. Because the Double Standard is getting overplayed way too much nowadays and the rest of us are getting sick of it.

a reply to: FyreByrd

what a bunch of dumb arses fire a girl for using protection how stupid i bet they are the same morons who bitch and moan when their female workers go out on 2 months of maternity leave

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
I'm about four posts down and haven't read any further. My guess...the liberal/progressive/dem OP posted this for some bites and to get his left friends all hopped up. So, I'm not wasting my time reading the link because I don't have the time to fall for the BS. So now, I am going to jump further into the thread and see if I was right.

Man it's great when people like you proudly voice to the world just how completely ignorant you really are!!! You're doing your Conservative Brothers and Sisters proud I'm sure.

Next time I suggest reading the link or at least looking in to the issue yourself before throwing a party in favor of how little you know.

But you did get some stars for your post which means at least you're not alone in your love of ignorance and lies and confusion. There's a positive, huh??

Apparently, everyone seems to be missing the point:

This is about DISCRIMINATION toward people (women) because of decisions they make about their reproductive health needs whether that need is birth control, abortion, a hysterectomy or anyting else.

IT IS NOT ABOUT making an employer pay for those services.

The side issue - is that this Congressional vote was a stunt pure and simple without any intention of blocking the DC law to go into effect and thereby using tax payer money to promote a specific and narrow agenda (call it propoganda) required by right wing christian fanatics (analogious to right wing muslim fanatics).

a reply to: FyreByrd

I totally agree with everything you just said.

However, according to those same Right Wing Christians pushing that propaganda, anything that doesn't allow them to discriminate against people is restricting their "Deeply Held Beliefs" that are allegedly part of their faith. Now, you and I both know that is BS, but that is their argument whether we agree or not.

They have been pretty successfully in using that as their argument as well so far. Why that is I don't know. My guess is that a lot of people aren't trying very hard to see through that clever tactic.

a reply to: mOjOm
I don't think that it's actually correct to assume this will only be confined to issues regarding birth control also. the core aspect of it is that a person- any person of any religion, should not be forced to do anything that is against their religious views. Well some people seem to have a problem with having birth control included in their health insurance and therefore they have been exempt from having to include it in their health insurance. But, there are also some people who just might have a problem with having blood transfusions also, and well for the law to be consistent they should also be exempt from having to include that in their insurance. Many of the medications has within their mixture components that were obtains from animals and well I kind of think they might be in violation of Islamic beliefs. And well, the religious right seems to think that this should extend outward to include the transactions between businesses and their customers so it's not just confined to the healthcare law. So well this auto dealer offers financing on the cars he sells but he doesn't believe that women should be driving so he therefore refuses to finance the cars for any women who might want to buy one. Or this employer doesn't feel a women should be working, unless of course the husband wishes for her to, so he demands all the women to bring permission slips in from their husbands giving them permission to work at his company.

And I have to say that historically commerce has never acted to preserve their religious beliefs like this before. Hobby lobby although having a strong belief that it's sinful to allow their money be used for insurance that covers birth control seems to have no problem when importing a good portion of their products from a country that has been known to force abortion onto it's citizens when it violates their one child policy. And while the holy roman empire of old would write edicts ordering all it's subject not to trade with a country, or principality, because they had a disagreement with the king or leader of that state, they had no problem with allowing traders to journey and establish trade with genghis khan in quest for the fine silk.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
I'm about four posts down and haven't read any further. My guess...the liberal/progressive/dem OP posted this for some bites and to get his left friends all hopped up. So, I'm not wasting my time reading the link because I don't have the time to fall for the BS. So now, I am going to jump further into the thread and see if I was right.

Man it's great when people like you proudly voice to the world just how completely ignorant you really are!!! You're doing your Conservative Brothers and Sisters proud I'm sure.

Next time I suggest reading the link or at least looking in to the issue yourself before throwing a party in favor of how little you know.

But you did get some stars for your post which means at least you're not alone in your love of ignorance and lies and confusion. There's a positive, huh??

Ummm...OK? So the title talks about firing women and the facts were about providing birth control. Yeah...I'm ignorant for calling that BS.

a reply to: mOjOm

A healthy sex life all helps for a healthy mind....I suppose that is why I'm bat #e crazy because of the lack of it

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: FyreByrd

I totally agree with everything you just said.

However, according to those same Right Wing Christians pushing that propaganda, anything that doesn't allow them to discriminate against people is restricting their "Deeply Held Beliefs" that are allegedly part of their faith. Now, you and I both know that is BS, but that is their argument whether we agree or not.

They have been pretty successfully in using that as their argument as well so far. Why that is I don't know. My guess is that a lot of people aren't trying very hard to see through that clever tactic.

So you and the rest of your leftist friends don't discriminate? You allow a business owner to decide who they wish to work for? You allow a Christian to put a cross in their front yard? You discriminate just as much if not more than most people on the right. You just decided that it is only discrimination when it is against those you agree with. Those you don't agree with...screw them. Right? Yeah...you are all about fair and equal when you demand special rights for only certain people. As your buddy Holder would say..."hate crime laws don't protect white people". Yeah...no special rights...huh?