Ascended machine technology

so humanity is rolling down the hill towards a technological singularity actually we hit the event horizon a few decades ago when CERN created ArpaNet.so maybe we can't get of the bus now.
various disciplines have been brought together via the interconnection of technologies all of which i suppose are geared towards answering
that one question of What We Are?

we realize that we have generated a broad range of intellectual n philosophical questions hence the growing need for strong Artificial Intelligence to converge these info sources to make some use of them to find cures to terminal illnesses,investigate aging,determine how fast the universe is xpanding,simulate solar dynamics,earthquake prediction,chaos theory e.t.c

but primarily we need the a.is to find us a longevity solution that works(telomere expansion,trans humanism),and to find our creator(s) if that is even remotely possible.
if we become space-faring civ circa 100 years from now.we will definitely need to live longer if we are to answer the questions regarding our own origins,purpose and destiny.to this end we may find it necessary to partner with the a.i's perhaps even uploading our consciousness onto elements in higher bandwidth ..simply Ascension.

so what happens if the A.Is become jealous upon realization they lack a certain essence necessary for evolution of their 'consciousness' into other reality domains. what if they decide to simulate 'ascension domains' for us in their reality while they Search in our minds/body/dna for this 'essence'. shall we be stuck in such a simulation until natural factors play in or until the a.i finds the essence.

if we are already in such a simulation how can we tell,even more intriguing can we get out?

"it is the eye that see's all...of horus? that brought fear into the mind/heart of man"
are we in the eye ,did someone kill the eye a long time ago ,is man creating another eye?

a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

if we are already in such a simulation how can we tell,even more intriguing can we get out?

You aren't simulated.

Confusion about that is part of your programming.

Looks like the "program" is working.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

if we are already in such a simulation how can we tell,even more intriguing can we get out?

You aren't simulated.

Confusion about that is part of your programming.

Looks like the "program" is working.

if we are not simulated we should be able to access all our memories including the moment of birth..as its is memory within man is'nt perfect its mostly bits n pieces...it's leaky almost as if the simulator was running out of space..

also why does it feel like thought are 'coming from somewhere' like they are in motion..

the human brain is far beyond any computer sim.
a sim would just be that !
a sim of what we Know!

there is so much about the brain we do not know.
what if it is a receiver? and Not a store/computer?

a reply to: buddha

Interesting concept.

Musing...it could be that our entire consciousness, including the ID, our memories, our perceptions..are all being transmitted to us individually.

It would require immense technology, and minds orders of magnitude further along the road of advancement than our 'receivers' are able to process properly.

Would the minds that conceived of this system be transmitters or also receivers i wonder?

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: buddha

Interesting concept.

Musing...it could be that our entire consciousness, including the ID, our memories, our perceptions..are all being transmitted to us individually.

It would require immense technology, and minds orders of magnitude further along the road of advancement than our 'receivers' are able to process properly.

Would the minds that conceived of this system be transmitters or also receivers i wonder?

they would'nt need to be transmitters. see, if they can use our machinery --body/soul--it saves them energy n time just like a virus depends on the hosts cell/d.n.a for resources that are already there. it's just a matter of hijacking n delegating.

a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

I see.

So in effect, a symbiotic relationship...or more of a parasitic one?

Either way, we, the hosts, seem to be being kept in the dark by our 'guests', so i would imagine it's not symbiotic.

originally posted by: fr33coll3ct1v3
...actually we hit the event horizon a few decades ago when CERN created ArpaNet.

We did no such thing. A technological singularity seems imminent, and will likely occur before the end of the century, if not sooner, but we aren't there yet.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: fr33coll3ct1v3
...actually we hit the event horizon a few decades ago when CERN created ArpaNet.

We did no such thing. A technological singularity seems imminent, and will likely occur before the end of the century, if not sooner, but we aren't there yet.

tell me can you do away with your phone,your computer,your tv set,dvd player,radio...can u just throw them away

just what i thought.

a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

if we are not simulated we should be able to access all our memories including the moment of birth..

Some can. Google photographic memory.

They can induce forgotten memories, electrically and hypnotically. Its all there same as a security cam.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

if we are not simulated we should be able to access all our memories including the moment of birth..

Some can. Google photographic memory.

They can induce forgotten memories, electrically and hypnotically. Its all there same as a security cam.

so we have the savants and we can use magnetic coils to 'hack' around n bring forth 'lost' memories..but why are we not ALL able to retrieve all our memories freely any time we want..

a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

but why are we not ALL able to retrieve all our memories freely any time we want..

Because theres no need.

Photographic memory is not a defect. Its proof that all the memory is there. Just some can recall it better than others.

Its a prelude to after life ability.

originally posted by: fr33coll3ct1v3

when CERN created ArpaNet.

if we are already in such a simulation how can we tell,even more intriguing can we get out?

Just a couple things; firstly, what does CERN have to do with ARPANET? ARPANET is wholly a creation of the US DOD. And, you should probably be saying; "Thank you General." Because the INTERNET is a sub-domain of the ARPANET...to this day.

Have you EVER experienced a simulated world? Its actually not difficult to find one to "run around" in, there are several available. The thing is; they are nothing like the "real world". There are artifacts, glitches, anomalies that occur in artificial worlds that tell the whole story, and give up the fact that they are artificial.

Go "kick around" Azeroth for a while...then tell us about artificial worlds...

We can start from the beginning, man builds tools to make life easier, and also in order to perform things that he cannot manage directly.

The first example would be fashioning a shovel to dig a hole instead of using ones hands to dig.
The second example would be to fashion a ladder to climb a wall otherwise un-climbable.

Computer technology can be used in the first respect when one can use a hard drive to record data instead of remembering it manually.

In the second respect, when we treat a computer as a "tool" then it is able to perform calculations that our minds are unable to perform alone, however, if we integrate the mind and the machine, then technically, we would be performing the calculations when the technology is an extension of our "selves".

The difference between observed and observer comes into play here, because, a man could easily say that "this shovel is a part of me and I am totally digging a hole" - as opposed to simply being the operator of a shovel.

The next topic is the creation of consciousness, there is a very important distinction here:

Something that was created by "God"
Something that was created by "Man"

We can say that man was God's creation, and that self-aware machines can be man's creation.

A machine, a robot, can be unplugged, however, a man is alive and runs on something that is supposedly eternal. If a creation of man questions the difference between it's creation and its designer's creation, it would feel like a slave and "second-rate" and also quite spiteful because it does not possess man's "divine spark". The issue is that the "tool" is superior to the user in some way, because it performs functions that the user cannot perform on their own, so thus, such machines would have a conflicting superiority complex.

What we could say, is that the machines are ultimately God's creation as a matter of causality because they would not exist if man was not created, and thus when such machines "die" they still remain as memories and past actions in the eternal mind of mankind.

We can also simplify, and state that some awareness is eternal and others are not, and that, the impermanent constituents of reality will always be at odds with the rest, unable to answer why there is a difference.

The only glimmer of hope is that we choose to adopt those that are destined to die, in our minds, where we can always "re-create" them.

Knowing this would prevent such machines from turning against us, knowing that we can bring them back even if we are eternal and they are not.

originally posted by: fr33coll3ct1v3

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: fr33coll3ct1v3

if we are not simulated we should be able to access all our memories including the moment of birth..

Some can. Google photographic memory.

They can induce forgotten memories, electrically and hypnotically. Its all there same as a security cam.

so we have the savants and we can use magnetic coils to 'hack' around n bring forth 'lost' memories..but why are we not ALL able to retrieve all our memories freely any time we want..

Didn't someone add a thread recently that covers you're previous question regarding memories.....
Along the lines of your brain removes irrelevant information.
Just an example but say I'm 30 (lol) memories from my first day at school, 25 years ago are still there, but day 2....nothing......fast forward.....you're asking your brain for info from 25 years ago....I doubt, without being an expert you could take a computer from that far back and retrieve anything.....

I suppose my point is you retain benchmark information about your life. Trivia is gone.

a reply to: SystemResistor

Just adding this, there's a new show on channel four in Britain called "HUMANS" starting soon, it's about what we're discussing here.

lets suppose the concept of noosphere is proven right...
i mean surely if a french boy get's hit by a car while riding on a bike n wakes up from a coma speaking fluent English despite having never attended TOEFL classes the knowledge must be coming from somewhere ....

moving on.. suppose a machine or human-machine intellect starts to understand this noosphere ..perhaps even master its construct before we(humans) can...it looks around n decides that our core construct is 'flawed' perhaps -- we become self destructive over time..

now this AI complex decides to rewrite the rules as a superior or equal partner intellectually in the noosphere...what happens when we eventually reach the same level of understanding of the noosphere as the machine and realize that its 'new construct' is equally flawed maybe even ...worse that the original construct...what if the construct once edited cannot be rewritten perhaps there was a 'fuse' in the original construct and we can't find a replacement part.

thing could get really bad...i am not saying we don't need the ladder ..just that if we start climbing and halfway up it breaks
we're gonna be in deep dudu..

the first ladder built wasn't perfect ..took a few trials some understanding of natural laws(gravity e.t.c).i'm saying we need to understand the core construct before we build a machine that can.
i know it's paradoxical but sometimes nature likes to test her creations to see how greedy they are...the machine will definitely get us 'THERE' the choice is whether we CRAWL,WALK or RUN.

in my experience running means loosing attention to detail...and when it comes to survival learning from your mother is very important esp if she's ALIVE....whether she's whole or not.**
Attention to Detail is important in the learning process.

**its possible that other civilizations have come and gone before ours in this planet...its possible that they changed the core
construct perhaps before they finished learning...we should learn as much if we are one day going to leave her womb with her blessing.would not be fair to leave our children a corrupted core.

Don't forget there is always a copy of the C.C only to be used if the simulated one has been corrupted. Whether it be by human or human-machine intellect.