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originally posted by: American-philosopher
a reply to: wasaka
can you do a thread about the difference between Ethics and morality I want to discuss more but it is kind of off topic here
originally posted by: American-philosopher
a reply to: wasaka
Morality is not just a religious code. morality is something that defines how you handle life situation's Can an atheist or agnostic person be morally grounded? yeah.
Morality is something that comes from the heart and is set by a mindset.
originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: wasaka
Your post redefines morality a bit, its not a religious thing.
www.diffen.com...
My definition would be that ethics are external and define boundaries, morals are internal, and inspire direction.
originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: wasaka
You're still using the word different than I would, so its hard to fully argue or agree with what you are saying. Example usage:
The atheist scientist ruled out the experiment because it would cross ethical boundaries, but worked hard to find another way to prove the efficacy of the medication, anticipating not just the recognition, but also moral achievement of helping the millions suffering with the condition.
originally posted by: wasaka
Yes, this is common usage.
However, I point out that "beliefs" lead to Beliefism.
Beliefism does not question itself, rather it is held with conviction.
Convictions (strongly held moral beliefs) are dangerous because
they leave out "critical thinking" and ethical considerations and
rely on emotion, religious instruction, and peer pressure.
Beliefs we hold can be based on:
A) our programming, or
B) our experience
The former is called "morality" and later is ethical.
The former is based on external opinions (false authority)
and the later is based on common sense and empathy.
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: wasaka
I'm having trouble with this whole idea. Talk about making simple things complex.
Ethics. Morals. Are they not both just ideas? Both originating from the same place; from a belief.
Ethically speaking. My ethics, or somneone else's? Morally speaking. My morals, or someone else's? It could go either way.
I think it's based on emotions; both ethics and morals. Unfortunately, they are usually just excuses to support an idea, behavior, or action.
It was ethical. Usually means I agree with the idea or action and others support me. It was morally right. Means I agree with the idea or action, and a belief system supports me.
Ethics. Law and science and a general consensus. Morals. Beliefs and religions and a general consensus.
You still end up on the same foot.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: wasaka
A good summary: ethics are the morals that have collectively been agreed upon to the extent which they were formalized.
A good summary: morals are ethics that are held on an individual level, we don't have an overall consensus, and there is no formalized process related to them.
originally posted by: schuyler
The usual definition of "ethics" is a variation on "a system of moral principles." It's really as simple as that.
You are splitting hairs that need not be split, and doing so doesn't add to any deeper understanding, just like debating how many angels can fit on the edge of a pin.
I have though of ethics as a procedural code depending on the field of operations . Conflicts of interests codified in ethical procedures .You have to put the horse ahead of the cart it is hauling .imo
The usual definition of "ethics" is a variation on "a system of moral principles." It's really as simple as that.
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: wasaka
Where would you place integrity into the discussion ?
We share a collective insanity that pervades human cultures throughout the world: