Fear of Outcomes: UFOlogy vs Astrobiology Distrust Explained

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

I think your issue with me is that your insults have absolutely zero effect on me and that I will not get rattled or bullied by you.

It's not just you.

Posts full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Oh I know. Around the time you were working with the Air Force, I was working in crisis intervention programs with mentally disabled children. I was called every name in the book, attacked, bitten, had everything thrown at me you could think of, spit on.... they were actually retarded so I couldn't take it personally. So what I learned very early on was that the more someone insults and attacks me, the less personally I take it because they could be retarded.

I did similar volunteer work for Samuel Kirk Center when I was in high school. Very rewarding, unlike interacting with Scudfail.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
The media does this to this very day themselves. (Pretend no evidence exists, and only quote and promote the ridicule based conclusions.)

I guess you don't get SyFy, The Discovery Channel, The History Channel, The Science Channel...

with those channels you've chosen above, all of them have shown the AVRO craft, as if that propeller-driven, barely-above-ground, slow-moving, wind-pusher, is related to the UFO's people have seen. then they go through the process of showing youtube videos with CGI, blimps, and the stealth bomber and fighter. and for a real treat, they will show the process of throwing up a pie-plate on scratchy black and white film to simulate UFO's....I could go on, but, you get my drift

Never seen Georgio or Bill Birnes, huh?

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I have also observed that many of those who follow the same path the OP does, all share some common traits in how they perceive and believe things, or not believe things that they do not understand, and one factor seems to be a philosophical one which clashes with their idea of extraterrestrial visitation being even a possibility.

One thing I have observed amongst your type is that they seem to observe things that aren't there which is the primary reason I believe there is nothing there to begin with. Who has said alien visitation is not possible? What "philosophical factor" are you talking about? Of course alien visitation is possible and of course it could have occurred. Its just that none of your "observations" can be verified or are just plain made up in order to verify your own beliefs.

The only problem with your statement though is that you don't believe because of your ignorance. Certain people who have seen craft with characteristics far beyond the human realm of engineering marvels even a millenium from now, already understand many of those things because they have seen it and understood the implications.

You, on the other hand are positioning yourself in a stance based upon total ignorance and a lack of information.

Some people just don't have the capacity of intellect to understand it, so perhaps rather than beat up on your superiors, why not just relax and read a nice book?

Those who understand the UFO phenomenon already know what you do not, and rather than try to learn from them, you sling mud, insults and platitudes in a weak attempt to vent your frustration, but I don't mind that, it really does suit you and those like you.

When you meet people who know what you don't know, you just call them a dreamer or delusional, that's hilarious!!

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Delusions of grandeur much?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

When you meet people who know what you don't know, you just call them a dreamer or delusional, that's hilarious!!

Again, you are making observations of things that just are not there.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

Interesting. What I see more of is the word "delusional" used as a straw man argument. like "I guess they are all delusional morons" or something to that effect. Its a word used so incorrectly that it drives me insane since I used to work in mental health facilities with people that were actually delusional. But you are right, it has little use in the forum. They probably aren't disinformation agents though, just ignorant.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

That's not what a delusion is. A delusion would be a persistent belief even after being shown overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So if someone sees a UFO and believes it to be alien, they would not be delusional since it is unknown. If someone sees an airplane and believes it to be alien, that would be a delusion. Delusions really aren't applicable to the UFO phenomenon since they really are in the realm of mental illness. You might mean "hallucination" but that really doesn't fit either.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

For the record, here is the official denier stance: People that see UFOs are not delusional. Even if they believe the UFO was an alien ship, they would not be delusional.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

So I'm not that guy who will tell you your personal experiences are hallucinations or delusions or whatever. I am the guy who will say my own experiences may be.

So...Its just that none of your "observations" can be verified or are just plain made up in order to verify your own beliefs.

Eagleworks should exorcise the EMDrive.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

No you still aren't getting the message. No one is directing any energy towards you at all. In other words, no one is even attempting to convince you of anything. I haven't attempted to do that, nor is convincing you of anything anything I care about.

That is the entire issue. No one cares if you don't know much about these things. No one is trying to convince you of anything because no one cares if you know or not.

It is you stepping into the debate and attempting to insert that premise! That you must be given something. We don't care that you don't "believe" and no one cares if you ever do.

Whenever people discuss UFO's and things of that nature, you insert yourself into those threads and act like you deserve something be given to you in the form of proof, but the thing is, nobody cares and no one has assigned any value or worth to you , for you to be given evidence.

You can bark like a dog in any thread that you wish, but nobody owes you jack.

Do you understand now?

I laugh whenever I see these threads because I know you will be there acting like the world owes you proof, and every believer that has what you do not, or may not have, are all delusional or ignorant in your eyes. Fine. I and many already knew that about you long ago. But no one cares either way what you believe, and nobody owes you that "convincing" and no one cares if you are ever convinced.

Is the point making it?

I'm not even trying to put you down, I'm just saying that whether you believe or not, is not something I or anyone else is, or should feel obligated to do for you, same goes for others who demand they be shown proof. I hear a report, I either believe it or I don't based on my own efforts to know if it be true or not. I don't need to demand someone show me proof.

When people do that they are in essence saying they are special and should be treated as some kind of charity case and everyone with a different view than theirs is obligated to give something to them at their own expense and time and trouble. That by itself is ridiculous, but either your ego or your self image is extremely inflated or you are just a victim of the multi billion dollar propaganda machine that has you parroting all the same things that the professional debunkers do. You are the only one that actually knows, but whatever it is, I do not care about it, and you don't even need to respond to that.

Hope this helps

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
The media does this to this very day themselves. (Pretend no evidence exists, and only quote and promote the ridicule based conclusions.)

I guess you don't get SyFy, The Discovery Channel, The History Channel, The Science Channel...

When speaking of the media, it is usually understood that "media" means CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, CNBC.. Or (the controlled main stream media). And does not include all those documentary type channels on cable.

Are you the only one who didn't know this? I think you were just being facetious. Isn't that an exciting adverb?

I was noting all your other remarks and thought they were so cute! They remind of someone being : flippant, silly, ill-timed, ill-judged, foolish, inappropriate, inane, glib, frivolous, kidding, tongue-in-cheek, amusing, blithe, capering, clever, or something like that.

Which one were you being?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

No you still aren't getting the message

That's because you are just making up the message.

Whenever people discuss UFO's and things of that nature, you insert yourself into those threads and act like you deserve something be given to you in the form of proof, but the thing is, nobody cares and no one has assigned any value or worth to you , for you to be given evidence.

I do? Again, you are making observations of things that just are not there. So...Its just that none of your "observations" can be verified or are just plain made up in order to verify your own beliefs. Can you find one instance of me demanding proof somewhere? That might help.

So far you have accused people of not thinking ET visiting is even possible based on your observations of some philosophical conflict

and one factor seems to be a philosophical one which clashes with their idea of extraterrestrial visitation being even a possibility.

When I point out that its not true you accuse me of calling people delusional?

When you meet people who know what you don't know, you just call them a dreamer or delusional, that's hilarious!!

I show you just the opposite is true.
And now I am demanding evidence? All I have ever done is point out the lack of it and that people should have the freedom to speculate however they wish. You believe that people should not think for themselves I guess. That's sad.

No one is directing any energy towards you at all.

Maybe drak could highlight all the energy directed at me in your post

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

As usual you assign fiction to everything I have said, and reinvent my statements to be things that I never said, so I am permanently finished wasting my time with you.

You don't even know when the front door to your house has been kicked in, let alone anything else.

You're Like the pigeons that crap all over the chess board and knock the pieces over and they think they have won the game

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

As usual you assign fiction to everything I have said,

That's because you made it up.

and reinvent my statements to be things that I never said,

By quoting you and asking you to back up what you are accusing me of saying or doing? OK.

so I am permanently finished wasting my time with you.

oh good. another member.

You don't even know when the front door to your house has been kicked in, let alone anything else.

Why do you think I live in a house?

You're Like the pigeons that crap all over the chess board and knock the pieces over and they think they have won the game

You are like a big bowel of poop.

Your "observations" of myself and others seems to be an illusion. Seems like you should have no problem showing where people don't think aliens are possible based on their philosophical conflict, where I have called people delusional because of their experiences or where I insert myself and demand proof in threads. I mean its ALL right here! Every post I and everyone else has made is a click away and you cant produce a single example of me "inserting myself and demanding proof"? Did you even try? You have made my point well. None of theses things can be shown to exist and yet you "perceive" them to be true. This is a wonderful example of how a "mountain of evidence" can be comprised entirely of bull$hit.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

morning Bro, you don't happen to have seen a 365 day long version of this video have you ?



a yearly loop would be so much,.. wouldn't it though ?

funbox

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a reply to: ZetaRediculian




funbox

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
The media does this to this very day themselves. (Pretend no evidence exists, and only quote and promote the ridicule based conclusions.)

I guess you don't get SyFy, The Discovery Channel, The History Channel, The Science Channel...

When speaking of the media, it is usually understood that "media" means CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, CNBC.. Or (the controlled main stream media). And does not include all those documentary type channels on cable.

Are you the only one who didn't know this? I think you were just being facetious. Isn't that an exciting adverb?

I was noting all your other remarks and thought they were so cute! They remind of someone being : flippant, silly, ill-timed, ill-judged, foolish, inappropriate, inane, glib, frivolous, kidding, tongue-in-cheek, amusing, blithe, capering, clever, or something like that.

Which one were you being?

I tailor my posts to the intended audience.

In this case it was geared toward someone who is undeservedly condescending, self-important, and snarky.


Because I care just that much.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed


When speaking of the media, it is usually understood that "media" means CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, CNBC.. Or (the controlled main stream media). And does not include all those documentary type channels on cable.

Thank you for your arbitrary definition of "the media". I hadn't realized how limited it was.

a reply to: draknoir2
Dont you know how it works yet? You just make up stuff to fit your argument and there is no need to reference anything. Yes, "the media" extends beyond those networks. And before cable, those documentaries were on those networks also. Of course while we were watching "In Search of" those trolls were busy disappointing their parents by making up stories and bathing themselves in patcholi oil. Woops, I just pooped my pants thinking about how immature they all are. Delusional hypocrites with no evidence to give to ME!

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Some people just don't have the capacity of intellect to understand it, so perhaps rather than beat up on your superiors, why not just relax and read a nice book?

Superiors in the field of UFOs and aliens? You mean people like Stanton Friedman, Budd Hopkins, Stephen Greer, etc? Good group! You certainly can't be talking about yourself. As with Scdfa, you have this odd need to overcompensate (for something) through backhanded insults. That kinda negates "superior" behavior.

Instead of engaging JadeStar in an intelligent debate, or at least making an effective intelligent point, you chime in on Scdfa's post agreeing how anyone who doesn't believe as you do, could be suffering from some type of psychological problem(s). Huh?

By the way Scdfa- You mentioned you were/are a field investigator for MUFON and reported on a case in 2000 where it was carried on nationwide TV. Would that be the floating triangle seen by police officers in early 2000? I linked a YouTube video of it on page 4.

YouTube

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

By the way Scdfa- You mentioned you were/are a field investigator for MUFON and reported on a case in 2000 where it was carried on nationwide TV.

We will never know. Its more likely that it was made up to bolster his online persona.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

I have to ask. How exactly do you pronounce that?

Varghina.....Well it's all about Brazilians. So I guess you'd need to be careful before opening the lips. Someone with more experience of the Portuguese tongue would be better qualified to talk about it.

Until I heard of the 1996 alien case in Brazil, though, I thought Varghina was a moon of Uranus.