Freddie Gray was just a thug?

a reply to: Snarl

when anyone with a lick of common sense can tell you 'what needs to be done'.

Do you have the guts to tell us what that is?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Snarl

when anyone with a lick of common sense can tell you 'what needs to be done'.

Do you have the guts to tell us what that is?

Yep. Cut off support.

I have a question about this so called thug lol. Why are his charges almost habitually a week after each other and the same charges over and over NO prison time sounds suspect to me. Cops where i live do this all the time to get people to inform on the people they really want probably the reason he ran, and the reason he got that ruff ride.
There's two different types of police the ones that work in good areas that love there job and are there to serve the public. and the ones in the poor areas that have nefarious reasons. Ive personal been thru something like this in high school My grandmother worked at a children s home when i was a teenager and i used to go with some off the kids to play basket ball in the projects (public housing). well i witnessed the sheriff Gerald Hege (google him) beat one of my school mates at the basketball court with three of his deputies because he accidentally blocked a ball and it hit the sheriffs car the broke his nose and his arm he was 16 at the time. I made the mistake of tell my grandmother what happened and she made a huge deal about it the SBI got involved and i ended up being asked to court to testify, with i did the worst thing ive ever done in my life. They harassed my entire family for three years they would randomly arrested one of us almost every month for 2 year when it came time for court the officers would never show up and they would dismiss the charges until we evently moved. Theres a difference between being criminal and having a criminal record. he might have sold drugs (weed) but that dont make him a bad person. especial to get killed in the back of a van. sorry for the bad grammar rushing only have a 15min break.

a reply to: xuenchen

Do you know anyone that lives in the middle class area of Baltimore its a slum there no jobs lower class is worse than a third world country Our church went there last year. Plus he sold weed and pain pills hardly Tony Montana lol . And his assault charges are not against citizens those where aresting officers. and most off his charges where dropped.

originally posted by: Snarl
No. I will not see it your way.

And you know I love you like a brother.

He was a criminal. He was always gonna be a criminal. And, his anti-social behavior caused me to have utterly zero sympathy for him.

Do I believe he should have been 'disposed of' by the State. No ... not in that manner. They could have put his sorry ass in a rowboat and towed him two hundred miles off-shore. I'd have been good with that.

So the police can arrest anybody at will? No probably cause is needed? You're kidding right? Freddie's arrest was unlawful!

the hate is really coming out for Freddy Gray....seems some people here on ATS think he deserved to be murdered. why am I not surprised.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: themanwhois

I came from a family living in abject poverty. A single mother raising four kids on her own in rural new mexico. The town was riddled with drug use, mainly meth. Chances are if you lived in that town, you were either cooking, dealing, or using. Half of my senior class had dropped out before the end of the year. Rather than fall into the cycle of drug use and dealing, I educated myself, and rose above my "lot" in life and went on to become a successful person. And I did it all without the programs and grants and scholarships that the african american community can get. That man had plenty of opportunity. By virtue of his poverty and race alone he could have gotten multiple grants or scholarships to educate himself. He chose not to. Yes, there is a problem in inner city america. But you only make the problem worse when you make excuses and try to rationalize poor decisions and criminal behavior with platitudes like this. Should we excuse his criminal behavior just because he's poor and black? That only serves to keep the black community mired in the problems they already have.

I don't believe Mr. Grey deserved to die. Nobody does, but don't try to excuse his past actions due to his poverty and the hand he was dealt.

Did you have a mentor in your life, or did you do it all by yourself?

originally posted by: TNMockingbird
I just had an overwhelming feeling of suicide.
Not myself but, something tells me they had better put those officers under a watch...

I am NOT a psychic nor do I claim to be...
just a feeling I had…

Don't worry. The jury will set them free …

When the police are obviously as brutal and inhuman as these Baltimore cops are, imagine the reality of all citizens under that kind of "serving and protecting".

First of all, you have to start questioning past charges and crimes of Freddie and others who may just have been other victims of this twisted Force of Excess, and perhaps all they did was make eye contact too.

a reply to: knowledgesponge

I would put much credit into an assault charge against the police..they beat you and yell "stop resisting", ya resisting a beating or knee to the back of the neck. Your not even allowed to defend yourself from a f'n dog after they sic him on you.
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: rickymouse

You can't let criminals get away with crime or they might be infringing on your rights the next time.

Freddie Gray was a free man at the time of his unlawful arrest

What crime was he getting away with?

What people seem to want is the ability to categorize an entire people as weeds - undesirable, without any redeeming qualities - disposable

Without basic civil rights

And that, sir, is the core issue here. I'm sure everybody is aware of it, but some have decided to ignore the fact that ALL US citizens have unalienable rights. Once those rights are gone, and they have been eroding since 9/11's patriot act, we will live in a fascist society. We are well on our way.

It saddens me that our citizens do not realize that they're being played. Some already accept the notion that it's ok to arrest "undesirable" folks at will. Please take a minute and really think it through. It may start with "them", but it will end up with you in that police van … !

originally posted by: AllIsOne

originally posted by: Snarl
No. I will not see it your way.

And you know I love you like a brother.

He was a criminal. He was always gonna be a criminal. And, his anti-social behavior caused me to have utterly zero sympathy for him.

Do I believe he should have been 'disposed of' by the State. No ... not in that manner. They could have put his sorry ass in a rowboat and towed him two hundred miles off-shore. I'd have been good with that.

So the police can arrest anybody at will? No probably cause is needed? You're kidding right? Freddie's arrest was unlawful!

Depends on whose story you want to listen to. It's going to court ... and my money says the DA will ultimately be discredited for her allegations ... not the other way around. Freddie's record speaks for itself.

a reply to: Snarl

Freddie's record speaks for itself.

You can't arrest someone for having a criminal record. How does his record give them the right to kill him?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Snarl

Freddie's record speaks for itself.

How does his record give them the right to kill him?

Did I say that? You've got a real problem there, you know? If you can't straighten that out on your own, please avoid me on the boards (you're the first person I've ever felt inclined to make such a statement to).

It's yet to be proven in a court of law that Freddie 'was killed' ... this implies an act of homicide -vs- accidental death. Every competent medical authority I've heard speak on the matter has very deliberately reserved judgment on that issue specifically.

a reply to: Snarl

This is what you said.

the DA will ultimately be discredited for her allegations ... Freddie's record speaks for itself.

The allegations are homicide and murder, that were the result of a wrongful arrest. What does his record have to do with anything?

a reply to: windword

The allegations are homicide and murder, that were the result of a wrongful arrest. What does his record have to do with anything?

I'm also waiting for his thoughtful reply to that question

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: rickymouse

From what I read, he ran from the cop.

He wasn't being stopped. Cops gave chase and arrested him without probable cause - and (drum roll please...) he did not have a switchblade after all

But, even if he had - they couldn't have known that by making eye contact

It's not illegal to run -

Fleeing from police is not, by itself, illegal in America, and the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that in safe neighborhoods, people not suspected of criminal activity can ignore a police officer who approaches them, even to the point of walking away.

But courts have set a different standard for places where street crime is common, ruling that police can chase, stop and frisk people if their location contributes to a suspicion of criminal activity.

Unless of course you're the wrong color - and live in the wrong neighborhood

This is our country. Our rights are segregated

Don't forget right time too. Lots of people stagger by the cops at closing time, but they are too drunk to run sometimes.

originally posted by: rickymouse
But even then if you talk civil to them they treat you fairly.

Cops around here in an affluent area will stop and harass you if you were:
a) Young (high school drivers, usually)
b) Scruffy looking (mostly if you are walking and don't have a driver's license)
c) Not-white (white flight city)

Me? I'm white, but when we were younger, my friends would get stopped for driving the speed limit while other vehicles passed us and then accused of speeding in a school zone (during the summer, half a block from a school zone), etc.

Hell, last year I was stopped for being in the wrong part of town. This was a relatively bad area and I was with a couple of friends. We were looking for a place to eat that had steak after where we were going was going to be a long wait. I was pulled over for an 'improper left turn' for changing my signal at the stop light from turning right (friend decided against going to a place that way during the red light) and continuing straight. All three of us were asked for our drivers' licenses.

My friend had just graduated from law school and he was rather livid. Alas, the bar was not yet taken and passed, so he couldn't do much about it. You may have had perfectly fine interactions with the police, but that doesn't invalidate others' run-ins. I've never had a ticket or wreck, and have never stolen or anything like that.

Hell, I don't drink or smoke and I've never done drugs, yet my encounters with the police have led me to fear them.

a reply to: Greven

I thought it was in the police job description to stop young kids driving. Gee, they were always checking my car to make sure the brakes were working and all the taillights and headlights worked. Just because I had headers and glass packs on an old 69 Special edition mustang with a souped up 302 in it isn't a good reason. I never sped in their towns, they kept wanting me to pop the hood so they could check out the engine too.

Good thing they hounded me or I might have let the brakes get bad and gotten into an accident when I raced.

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: AllIsOne

originally posted by: Snarl
No. I will not see it your way.

And you know I love you like a brother.

He was a criminal. He was always gonna be a criminal. And, his anti-social behavior caused me to have utterly zero sympathy for him.

Do I believe he should have been 'disposed of' by the State. No ... not in that manner. They could have put his sorry ass in a rowboat and towed him two hundred miles off-shore. I'd have been good with that.

So the police can arrest anybody at will? No probably cause is needed? You're kidding right? Freddie's arrest was unlawful!

Depends on whose story you want to listen to. It's going to court ... and my money says the DA will ultimately be discredited for her allegations ... not the other way around. Freddie's record speaks for itself.

What crime did he commit at time of arrest? What "other story" do you refer to? Freddie's record is irrelevant regarding his arrest. Also, why do you think the DA is biased?