Liquid mercury found under Mexican pyramid could lead to king's tomb

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Liquid mercury found under Mexican pyramid could lead to king's tomb

Researcher reports ‘large quantities’ of the substance under ruins of Teotihuacan in discovery that could shed light on city’s mysterious leaders

An archaeologist has discovered liquid mercury at the end of a tunnel beneath a Mexican pyramid, a finding that could suggest the existence of a king’s tomb or a ritual chamber far below one of the most ancient cities of the Americas.

Mexican researcher Sergio Gómez announced on Friday that he had discovered “large quantities” of liquid mercury in a chamber below the Pyramid of the Feathered Serpent, the third largest pyramid of Teotihuacan, the ruined city in central Mexico.

A graphic of the tunnel:

They've also found some other curious artifacts, such as 'metallic spheres' at this site. The tunnel in question is turning up a trove of mysterious objects. The “large quantities” of mercury (some sources state "a river of mercury" could pertain to the production of red pigment from cinnabar for the coloring of jade objects and to decorate the bodies of royalty.

As a side note, there were also "rivers" and "lakes" of liquid mercury found at the Mausoleum of Qin Shi Huang, I believe a model of the world to the extent known at the time to the Chinese, using mercury in place of water. See Flowing rivers of mercury (Philip Ball investigates claims that the burial chamber of China’s first emperor contains rivers of shimmering mercury.)

I've been to these pyramids at Teotihuacan. Loved it. Spent a lot of time in my 20's seeking out ancient sites. But yes, I've always felt that there was more to these pyramids. They have found a couple basic tunnels under the Pyramid of the Sun, and now this tunnel under the Pyramid of the Feathered Serpent (Quetzalcoatl my name sake!! haha). But I think that there is more to be discovered. The site is absolutely massive.

Not to get too off topic, there is an article on how liquid mercury may have played a much more vital role in the ancient Olmec society (precursor to the Maya or Teotihuacan) than just as a ceremonial decoration:

Lodestone Compass: Chinese or Olmec Primacy?
Multidisciplinary analysis of an Olmec hematite artifact from San Lorenzo, Veracruz, Mexico

The full article suggests liquid mercury was used to float a loadstone to act as a compass.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Not to get too off topic, there is an article on how liquid mercury may have played a much more vital role in the ancient Olmec society (precursor to the Maya or Teotihuacan) than just as a ceremonial decoration:

Lodestone Compass: Chinese or Olmec Primacy?
Multidisciplinary analysis of an Olmec hematite artifact from San Lorenzo, Veracruz, Mexico

The full article suggests liquid mercury was used to float a loadstone to act as a compass.

Interesting.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Maybe they knew how to extract mercury, maybe they had space ships, i believe in many things, that nobody can prove, but there is a serious issue-- the absolute lack of any proof. Almost makes me think, that someone wants us to believe, that they had mercury--why?

This is just amazing.

Though, I cant seem to care anymore. Why bother. No one will admit that the totality of all the archaeological evidence points to an advanced civilization. All the smoking gun evidence is long gone and in some random person's private collection or buried in the Smithsonian.

All of it will be lost in a war or a heist or in a natural disaster and even the privileged will forget...

I just dont care anymore. Whats the point? Why would average people care? They have been removed from the equation and left as moronic recipients of the filtered news of any findings.

I just dont care. I hope time makes it all turn to dust....Our history has been stolen from us and believing in lies or half truths is repulsive.

I wish we would just smash it all, all museums, all artifacts, all text books, just erase it all. Who cares. Why stay tuned?

So less than a quarter of one percent of the worlds population can feel special in knowing the real truth?

We will never be told. We will never know. Just think about that.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer It is HgS, an insoluble sulfide, that is the pigment vermillion. The sulfate is something else and is actually the source of Minimata disease as it was used as a catalyst in a Chisso chemical plant and was also producing methyl mercury which was unwittingly released.

originally posted by: [post=19275241]Quetzalcoatl14

"The tomb of the first china emperor was said to have a map of the empire where all the water was mercury, would it be fun if the mercury in this tomb resembles china?"

 

Lol, the tomb IS under a pyramid... The same pyramid mound that the terracotta warriors are right next to. So.. the tomb has been discovered a while back. What is in question is what actually is in the still sealed main tomb chamber, and whether there are "rivers of mercury." They haven't opened the main chamber.

I've been to the terracotta warriors and at the base of the pyramid mound.

the 1hr 42 minute movie I linked covers the inferred lakes/rivers of mercury within the tomb...

they use ground penetrating radar and over 4,000 core samples of the sealed tomb to test for mercury... the concentrations of mercury were extremely high only within the football field sized tomb
there were two large areas of high mercury concentrations in a big area NW of center and another big area of high mercury S & ESE of the central tomb these two areas represent the ocean to the NW and the sprawling marshes to the S & ESE of united China in 210 BCE ...

the docudrama is first rate

I still think ancient china influenced S & central America...
but I think a more ancient knowledge was transferred to both Egypt & China (?Atlantis?)

a reply to: St Udio

And some of those areas remain closed off due to the high levels of mercury in the soil.

originally posted by: St Udio

originally posted by: [post=19275241]Quetzalcoatl14

"The tomb of the first china emperor was said to have a map of the empire where all the water was mercury, would it be fun if the mercury in this tomb resembles china?"

 

Lol, the tomb IS under a pyramid... The same pyramid mound that the terracotta warriors are right next to. So.. the tomb has been discovered a while back. What is in question is what actually is in the still sealed main tomb chamber, and whether there are "rivers of mercury." They haven't opened the main chamber.

I've been to the terracotta warriors and at the base of the pyramid mound.

the 1hr 42 minute movie I linked covers the inferred lakes/rivers of mercury within the tomb...

they use ground penetrating radar and over 4,000 core samples of the sealed tomb to test for mercury... the concentrations of mercury were extremely high only within the football field sized tomb
there were two large areas of high mercury concentrations in a big area NW of center and another big area of high mercury S & ESE of the central tomb these two areas represent the ocean to the NW and the sprawling marshes to the S & ESE of united China in 210 BCE ...

the docudrama is first rate

I still think ancient china influenced S & central America...
but I think a more ancient knowledge was transferred to both Egypt & China (?Atlantis?)

It is fascinating. I've heard of the historical claims about the tomb. And open to the idea that it was a wonderland. I for one am not really convinced as to the reasons why "they haven't opened the tomb." I've heard over the years everything from Chinese superstition in a curse to "collapse" to mercury poisoning.

OR, what if they secretly opened it and found something they don't want us to know about?

originally posted by: tadaman
This is just amazing.

Though, I cant seem to care anymore. Why bother. No one will admit that the totality of all the archaeological evidence points to an advanced civilization. All the smoking gun evidence is long gone and in some random person's private collection or buried in the Smithsonian.

All of it will be lost in a war or a heist or in a natural disaster and even the privileged will forget...

I just dont care anymore. Whats the point? Why would average people care? They have been removed from the equation and left as moronic recipients of the filtered news of any findings.

I just dont care. I hope time makes it all turn to dust....Our history has been stolen from us and believing in lies or half truths is repulsive.

I wish we would just smash it all, all museums, all artifacts, all text books, just erase it all. Who cares. Why stay tuned?

So less than a quarter of one percent of the worlds population can feel special in knowing the real truth?

We will never be told. We will never know. Just think about that.

I get your point. At some point, "So what? What if there was or was not an advanced civilization?" Even for those of us who are open to it or even believe it, at some point that question becomes pertinent. I'm actually reaching that point. I spent a long time studying history, both conventional and fringe. I spent a long time visiting as many ancient sites as I could, including the one in question. I'm now at the point of kinda wanting to move forward and live in the present.

However, I'm not sure that ignorance is bliss. While I'm ready to move forward, I can't really say I'd be the same person or have the same caution about the government or media if I hadn't learned some counter-evidence on everything from archaeology to foreign policy. So are those who have no awareness better off? And what are the negative effects on our collective psyche?

Graham Hancock actually raised these questions in his books, is there a collective societal amnesia and is it dangerous? He posits that some of the ancient sites were specifically left as warnings about cataclysms. So, if we don't take the warning, then..

Who knows?

originally posted by: Indigent
The tomb of the first china emperor was said to have a map of the empire where all the water was mercury, would it be fun if the mercury in this tomb resembles china?

Oh and its said to be under a pyramid too

Maybe the empire was a lill bigger that we though and that's why the tomb has not been found yet

I just wake up and dint read the op

I thought this was it.

Despite being over two millennia old, it has been argued that they would still function as effectively as the day they were installed. Furthermore, the presence of mercury would be incredibly deadly to anyone who entered the tomb without appropriate protection. Most importantly, however, is the fact that our technology at present would not be adequate to deal with the sheer scale of the underground complex and the preservation of the excavated artifacts.

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originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Die Glocke Wunderwaffe!!!

Liquid Mercury and Metallic spheres you say, hmmm, where have I heard this before????? Ah, yes......

The Nazi Bell liquid mercury anti-gravity theory....

Having visited Teotihuacan i'm not at all surprised that there's more to be found there. It's an epic construction that signifies far more than the little we know about it.

The Die Glocke comparison may seem left field to some, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if i turned on the news one morning to see a tourist video of the whole thing, all of the pyramids lifting up out of the earth as one structure and flying off; the liquid mercury reservoir inadvertently released by a hapless archaeologist into craft's nervous system which enables it's zero-point anti-gravity.

Sure, it's all sci-fi banter, but so was space travel back in HG Wells' time.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Die Glocke Wunderwaffe!!!

Liquid Mercury and Metallic spheres you say, hmmm, where have I heard this before????? Ah, yes......

Exactly! and considering the nazi interest in ancient history and such, this all rings one thing - mercury, electromagnetism, this is some lost flying technology! liek the Vimannas

I think there is some truth in all these stories and myths but most debunkers consider everything made up myths, but things like Goliath vs David, the city was proven to exist, recently I watched a movie of still undiscovered 'Hall of records' in one pyramid overgrown in vegetation in South America that is supposed to contain history of the atlantis, I do think there is some truth in all these things from the past, but sadly they get rejected even as a possibility.

Cool thread! Thanks OP!

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: Bilk22

It is found as Cinnabar, a mercury sulfate ore, it was prized for its color and liquid mercury was extracted from it by heating it in a furnace and condensing the fumes. It's also crucial for how ancient (and even modern) people mine for gold and gilding objects.

You didn't read my post closely enough.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: Bilk22

It is found as Cinnabar, a mercury sulfate ore, it was prized for its color and liquid mercury was extracted from it by heating it in a furnace and condensing the fumes. It's also crucial for how ancient (and even modern) people mine for gold and gilding objects.

I guess I didn't read yours close enough either.

"Condensing fumes"? To extract mercury? Please explain that.

a reply to: Bilk22

The ore was finely crushed, then placed into clay-lined, grass-fired furnaces until it vaporized and the gaseous mercury was trapped in a crude water-cooled condenser. Mercury has a very high specific gravity, making it easy to remove impurities with out going through a big process, just screed off the impurities from the top of the condensed liquid.

The ore itself seemed to have attracted the attention of the ancient very early on, Çatalhöyük shows it in use 7-8000 years ago. The ore's bright, distinct color and close proximity to the surface made it easy to find.

How exactly ancient civilizations came up with the condensing process I don't know, but nearly all of them had good working knowledge of distillation processes, it was essential for extracting oils or purifying water or producing alcohol.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: Bilk22

The ore was finely crushed, then placed into clay-lined, grass-fired furnaces until it vaporized and the gaseous mercury was trapped in a crude water-cooled condenser. Mercury has a very high specific gravity, making it easy to remove impurities with out going through a big process, just screed off the impurities from the top of the condensed liquid.

The ore itself seemed to have attracted the attention of the ancient very early on, Çatalhöyük shows it in use 7-8000 years ago. The ore's bright, distinct color and close proximity to the surface made it easy to find.

How exactly ancient civilizations came up with the condensing process I don't know, but nearly all of them had good working knowledge of distillation processes, it was essential for extracting oils or purifying water or producing alcohol.

Not only how did they learned of the distillation process, but how did they know to apply it to this ore and they would then obtain a pure element such as mercury?

over the years, the more i read about the ancients the more amazed i become.
they seem to have been as advanced as we are in many ways..perhaps more!
they just went about things from a different point of view.

a reply to: Bilk22

It is probably reasonable to assume that in many cases, some cinnabar was included in the rock surrounds of fire pits, and someone noticed little tiny beads of liquid metal when the fire got real hot. Some of the metal would condense on the surface of the rocks.

One thing that seems really obvious, is that the Mercury could have been the demise of the population if concentrated in quantities that they are seeing. Over time, and with concentration in the bodies, and feeding infants infected breast milk, constantly inhaling it and getting it in wounds etc.. It could be the reasons why the areas were ultimately deserted.