'Full gay' Iceman: 'X-Men' character'ssexuality changed after decades

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Oh yeah... your avatar... I retract some of my meaning from my above post... The Invisibles was awesome... and The Watchmen.. .etc. so yeah, some pretty complex plots and art.

Why does it even matter? They change sex and race of comic book hero's all the time. There is now a female Thor, a black Captain America, among others.

All they are doing is rehashing old ideas with proven characters to keep the money flowing. I think they are playing it safe with Iceman though as he doesn't have a huge fanbase. Homosexuality is still, and I can't figure out why, a bit of a taboo. They are just testing the waters with a unpopular hero.

You can't rewrite say a new comic with a gay Superman, or Batman as that would just collapse the fandoms and the world would implode.

Wait, we're not talking about Val Kilmer from Top Gun, right?!

If the Archie comics now have a gay character, I'm not the least bit surprised Marvel's done it.

Iceman though? I wonder why they chose him?

I went on a date with him and at least I enjoyed it. Tried to chat with him when I saw him at the bar a week later and he gave me the cold shoulder.

a reply to: Ironhawke

I'm talking about the lazy hacks now a days that would rather just flip a switch and say so and so has always been gay rather than develop a character from scratch.

It's lazy writing..

What is the difference?

No one could get an erection at those temperatures anyway.

a reply to: SgtHamsandwich

The Washington Post evidently thought it was newsworthy.

I remember Family Guy predicted this a long time ago...
looks like they're already pointing this out on YouTube..

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Ironhawke

I'm talking about the lazy hacks now a days that would rather just flip a switch and say so and so has always been gay rather than develop a character from scratch.

It's lazy writing..

Uh huh. Lazy like all the people finally accepting what they are? Lazy like Claremont's OMG Kitty is Bi bit?

I don't think so. more true to real life this way.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Making a new character that gay folks can relate to and look up to from the beginning would make the most sense.

I don't think anyone cares. Actually, if you make a new character and the biggest thing about them is how massively gay they are, I think that causes more issues. It actually kind of highlights the elephant in the room, that being gay has become some kind of headline aspect of a the personality of the people who carry that label.

At least with an established character you're guaranteed that they have a history, a place to belong and all that good stuff. The best gay representations in comic books have been ones where its not necessarily a key element to the story. That said, there is probably room for a story that directly addresses it in the same way there is room for Captain America to address militarisation of the police force or the invasion of the Middle East.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I wish they would just create a new character than make an existing character gay. If you already have a favorite character it would be disconcerting if they were all of a sudden gay. Making a new character that gay folks can relate to and look up to from the beginning would make the most sense.

I don't think they are trying to make a comic book gay icon so gay people can look up to them.

They're just adding a dynamic to the character that wasn't there before.

And saying that someone "all of a sudden" being gay is "disconcerting", it's hard to take much of what you say very seriously. Did everyone stop watching the NFL when Michael Sam came out? I don't think so, and that's not even fictional. You make it sound as if you're saying that a hero being gay means he is only likable to gay people; that's obviously not true, because nobody gives a # about iceman.

a reply to: Metallicus

I'll give it a go, what about..."Corporal Canada". Could work alongside Captain America or maybe even "Crack Man" and I could think of some good super powers for that bloke.

Regards,

Bally.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Perhaps they chose Iceman because his popularity was waning. I imgine now it will pick up.

Regards,

bally

Comics suck these days. The art sucks, the stories suck, the characters suck, the movies suck. It's all a load.

a reply to: Ironhawke

Why should super hero comics ever be true to real life? It's fantasy. Throwing social and political issues in just bottoms out the quality and creativity. It puts bounds on potential. In other words, makes it boring.

a reply to: DeadFoot

And saying that someone "all of a sudden" being gay is "disconcerting", it's hard to take much of what you say very seriously.

Well the truth it that a straight kid that looks up to a male super hero that all of a sudden has a boyfriend is going to be disconcerting to a normal kid. It may not be PC, but I really don't care.

Hold up.... one second...

I thought grown mean being into comic's made for kids and arguing over them was purely a movie / TV thing like in the big bang theory.

People care this much about something to trivial? Does it matter where a super hero puts his sausage?

On a more serious side:

People saying "not believable" one of my mates was considered a ladies man for years! Then in 2010 new years eve he came out to everyone. Funny thing is only one person stopped talking to him and everyone else carried on because they didnt really care about sexuality much how "fans" of these books for young adults will most likely take it. Most wont actually care at all as its pathetic to even argue over sexuality

On the other hand, good to see marvel have a way of "spicing" things up to get more money and publicity

originally posted by: Ironhawke
a reply to: CallYourBluff

No, still a man. Just not straight. Off topic, but how did "straight" come to mean "hetero", anyhoo?

Since Gay used to be called 'being bent' / Bender /(Bend over)..it was when i was a kid anyway...straight was used for Hetero as it's not bent..see?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Wait, we're not talking about Val Kilmer from Top Gun, right?!

If the Archie comics now have a gay character, I'm not the least bit surprised Marvel's done it.

Iceman though? I wonder why they chose him?

Most likely because his sexuality as has been suspect for a few decades now. His relationship with Rogue being the icing on the cake. She is the perfect choice for a gay man a beautiful woman you never have to worry about being intimate with. The thing is that people are up in arms over this because he never "acted gay", but there are many men out there that don't live up to the stereotype gay man. Most of the time it is their awkward and failed relationships with women that give it away.

And while I do feel that his outing was very poorly handled, it would not surprise me if the Marvel staff had known for sometime that Iceman was gay.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: DeadFoot

And saying that someone "all of a sudden" being gay is "disconcerting", it's hard to take much of what you say very seriously.

Well the truth it that a straight kid that looks up to a male super hero that all of a sudden has a boyfriend is going to be disconcerting to a normal kid. It may not be PC, but I really don't care.

Your consistency to label anything that you think you can as "PC" and squander any normal discussion shines another big light on where you stand here.

I really don't care to have this conversation either, because people like you won't let it go anywhere.

I'll leave a note: kids these days are nothing like you. They actually don't care.