Obama KNEW All Along Netanyahu Was Right About Iran

originally posted by: Mythos13
If people actually took the time to read the post, you would understand what they mean by 2-3 months. Once they have everything in place (which they already could) they would only need a couple months to assemble and produce a nuclear device.

And if people actually took the time to learn a little about nuclear physics...

They would realize that Iran has had "everything in place" for a very long time...and a simple gun-triggered fission bomb would take a not so modern machine shop (1980's western setup) a little over a week to manufacture and assemble. We are talking about replicating 1945 technology here...with a country that has dozens of US schooled nuclear physicists, that would have learned everything required in their first year.

So...for us to believe Israel or the Chickenhawks, we must assume that Iranians are idiots (which they are not), or that they really aren't that interested in nuclear weapons.

Which is it? Are Iranians stupid, or are they not interested?

a reply to: haman10

Hi haman, a simple question.

Is your government open and honest and always tell the truth?

a reply to: haman10

OK.

When we start chanting death to this or that country in all our public speeches, you can take away our nukes. We don't want Iran to die; we want to be able to trust you. But trust is a little hard when we keep hearing your leaders chanting death to American and death to Israel.

Why should a country that keeps saying that have the means to do it?

If someone comes to me and threatens to shoot me in the head, should I hand him a gun?

originally posted by: ketsuko

... about 9 miles across at one point ...

Gaza Strip is approximately that wide so let's be sure to keep a perspective on things. Holy Island is about the same, which is around 500 times smaller than Israel in terms of both population and total area.
 

originally posted by: haman10
Hi . my name is haman , i'm from western Iran .

I had a question for the OP : Dear brother/sister , what do you know about my country ? my guess is this : a ziltch .

First of all breakout time is a totally different issue than actually aiming to build a nuke . breakout time means that IF and only IF 1-Iran wants to build a nuke (in which we don't according to your own "intel services" ) and 2-it has the tech know-how needed to do so , it can do it in a certain timeline which is just an educated guess based on the uranium stockpile of Iran .

this was the first point . on the other hand we have all Iran's enemies having nukes including the very US and Israel .

my question is : who gives you the right to possess nukes and who forbids us from owning one ? isn't it a little hypocritical that US is the only country on the planet who actually has used nukes against civilians and at the same time wants to prevent IRAN - a country who has not attacked anyone since 300 years ago despite being capable to do so - from obtaining one ?

Is...this...Haman...from...PERSIA?

Wow, who would have known that Haman would speak up at the time when the leader of Iran wants to kill Jews. Is this that synchronicity that everyone keeps talking about?

Be careful Haman, there might be another Mordechai and Queen Esther. And Purim has been over for just a month now..so imagine if history repeats itself, suppose it was a month ago that the roadblock for killing Jews was in effect and Iran isn't going to succeed.

Thank you Haman from Persia, you just taught us a valuable history lesson.

a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

You think a nuke wouldn't risk fallout on Gaza or West Bank?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

You think a nuke wouldn't risk fallout on Gaza or West Bank?

Look up Ketsuko, Haman from Persia speaks again.

A nuclear explosion would affect a 65 mile radius. That means even if Tel Aviv is hit, Syria would be as well. If Gaza is hit, Egypt would be as well.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I have some problems with the narrative being presented in this article.

Here is the puzzling thing: When Obama began his second term in 2013, he sang a different tune. He emphasized that Iran was more than a year away from a nuclear bomb,

The beginning of 2013 was 2 and a half years ago, making Obama's claim of a year+ until a nuclear bomb true.

without mentioning that his intelligence community believed it was only two to three months away from making enough fuel for one

And therefore the intelligence community was wrong...

Netanyahoo can't even put together a strong government in his own land nor a strategy to deal with its own threats, but instead seeks the assistance of unrelated Men to protect his women and children and property; and then doesn't even have the decency to pay us Tribute in the form of talents of gold and silver.

...surely you don't think Americans should take him more seriously than his own people or value his opinion over that of their own President.

originally posted by: haman10
Hi . my name is haman , i'm from western Iran .

I had a question for the OP : Dear brother/sister , what do you know about my country ? my guess is this : a ziltch .

First of all breakout time is a totally different issue than actually aiming to build a nuke . breakout time means that IF and only IF 1-Iran wants to build a nuke (in which we don't according to your own "intel services" ) and 2-it has the tech know-how needed to do so , it can do it in a certain timeline which is just an educated guess based on the uranium stockpile of Iran .

this was the first point . on the other hand we have all Iran's enemies having nukes including the very US and Israel .

my question is : who gives you the right to possess nukes and who forbids us from owning one ? isn't it a little hypocritical that US is the only country on the planet who actually has used nukes against civilians and at the same time wants to prevent IRAN - a country who has not attacked anyone since 300 years ago despite being capable to do so - from obtaining one ?

Hello, Haman...
You seem a pleasant enough person...and I'm sure you would probably like me as well. Many Iranian-born people I have met have been warm and intelligent people. Beyond that, your country is rich in history, has contributed much to world civilization and is beautiful in many other ways.
We have much in common.

Our differences are the problem.
You don't trust our leaders...and we don't trust yours.
Your leaders threaten "death to us" and our allies, while they sponsor terrorists who attack our regional allies and people.

Perhaps, one day, things will change.
For now, however, our leaders are very busy screwing all of our peoples for their own personal aggrandizement and political agendas.

P.S. Welcome to ATS, Haman...I see you've just become a new member.

So if Iran was 2-3 months from the bomb.. I simply have one question.


WHERE IS IT?



"The Barack Obama administration has estimated for years that Iran was at most three months away from enriching enough nuclear fuel for an atomic bomb"

Well, "2-3 months" is a lot shorter than "years".

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: haman10

OK.

When we start chanting death to this or that country in all our public speeches, you can take away our nukes. We don't want Iran to die; we want to be able to trust you. But trust is a little hard when we keep hearing your leaders chanting death to American and death to Israel.

Why should a country that keeps saying that have the means to do it?

If someone comes to me and threatens to shoot me in the head, should I hand him a gun?

With that being said, why do we support Israel who is constantly saying death to everyone around them?

meanwhile in reality:

Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad
www.theguardian.com...


In 2012, Mossad said Iran not building nukes — report
Cables leaked to Al-Jazeera at odds with Netanyahu’s presentation of Tehran’s ambitions at the UN a month earlier
www.timesofisrael.com...

Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme
Spy Cables reveal Mossad concluded that Iran was not producing nuclear weapons, after PM sounded alarm at UN in 2012.

It reveals that in October 2012, Israel's foreign intelligence service estimated that Iran had 100 kilogrammes of uranium enriched to a level of 20 percent. Iran expanded that stockpile over the following year, but then agreed to neutralise or destroy that material under an agreement with the US, Britain, China, Russia, France and Germany - the so-called P5+1 group. Reports of discord between Netanyahu and the Mossad over Iran surfaced again last month amid reports - later denied - that the Israeli intelligence service had warned Washington that new US sanctions would sabotage nuclear negotiations between Iran and world powers.

www.aljazeera.com...

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: haman10

Hi haman, a simple question.

Is your government open and honest and always tell the truth?

No , of course not . what about yours ?


Ketsuko :

If Iran also killed innocent american citizens , trust me , you would also chant death to Iran .

Now i don't support such a thing at all . it's really a bad thing to do . but you know whats worse ? sanctioning people to death , killing Iranians on a civil plane with super mighty naval missiles .


WarminIndy :

Dear as i recall , Iran and Iranians saved jews 2 time in history : 1- we saved jews in babylon when cyrus the great from the same "Persia" that you're mocking , saved jews from total annihilation and 2- we saved jews from hitler when an Iranian-palestinian young man planned the escape of several innocent jews .

trust me , we've nothing against jews . there are 20000 jews living here

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: haman10

Hi haman, a simple question.

Is your government open and honest and always tell the truth?

No , of course not . what about yours ?

Ours lies like a rug.

But with that being said, how can you or I believe anything that comes from either country?

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

You think a nuke wouldn't risk fallout on Gaza or West Bank?

Look up Ketsuko, Haman from Persia speaks again.

A nuclear explosion would affect a 65 mile radius. That means even if Tel Aviv is hit, Syria would be as well. If Gaza is hit, Egypt would be as well.

Oh, I know. It would be a disaster for the whole area. The loss of life and suffering for not just Jews, but Arabs, Muslim Arabs would be horrific.

And you know what, THAT's THEIR PROBLEM.

If you really want to be part of it, get a flight and move there.

I always chuckle when American's shout from the roof tops about nuclear weapons being bad when THEY are the people that detonated TWO in anger over a civilian population.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: haman10
Hi . my name is haman , i'm from western Iran .

I had a question for the OP : Dear brother/sister , what do you know about my country ? my guess is this : a ziltch .

First of all breakout time is a totally different issue than actually aiming to build a nuke . breakout time means that IF and only IF 1-Iran wants to build a nuke (in which we don't according to your own "intel services" ) and 2-it has the tech know-how needed to do so , it can do it in a certain timeline which is just an educated guess based on the uranium stockpile of Iran .

this was the first point . on the other hand we have all Iran's enemies having nukes including the very US and Israel .

my question is : who gives you the right to possess nukes and who forbids us from owning one ? isn't it a little hypocritical that US is the only country on the planet who actually has used nukes against civilians and at the same time wants to prevent IRAN - a country who has not attacked anyone since 300 years ago despite being capable to do so - from obtaining one ?

Hello, Haman...
You seem a pleasant enough person...and I'm sure you would probably like me as well. Many Iranian-born people I have met have been warm and intelligent people. Beyond that, your country is rich in history, has contributed much to world civilization and is beautiful in many other ways.
We have much in common.

Our differences are the problem.
You don't trust our leaders...and we don't trust yours.
Your leaders threaten "death to us" and our allies, while they sponsor terrorists who attack our regional allies and people.

Perhaps, one day, things will change.
For now, however, our leaders are very busy screwing all of our peoples for their own personal aggrandizement and political agendas.

P.S. Welcome to ATS, Haman...I see you've just become a new member.

Thank you very much . well , first of all there is no reason to mix politics with ordinary people . we've got nothing to do with that .

I have many american friends as well due to my line of work . i've seen how different americans are than what they are portrayed here in middle east

i don't think what you said about Iranian gov't is totally true , but we can talk about that later .

Tnx and have a pleasant day .

a reply to: haman10

I don't think Persia is being mocked. It's more that we know that you do not consider yourself Arab, but Persian. In fact, my husband works with a Persian. He says his coworker doesn't consider himself Iranian, but Persian. Interesting.

So it's more of a recognition that the general citizen of Iran, sadly, does not always echo his or her leadership. But I won't speak any further for my fellow poster.

No, Iran hasn't directly attacked anyone. They do have their proxies. So you don't get to climb on that squeaky clean high horse anymore than any of the rest of us do.

originally posted by: bullcat

And you know what, THAT's THEIR PROBLEM.

If you really want to be part of it, get a flight and move there.

I always chuckle when American's shout from the roof tops about nuclear weapons being bad when THEY are the people that detonated TWO in anger over a civilian population.

It is estimated the alternative ground invasion would have cost casualties in the millions to both sides.

Given that one of my grandfathers was a ground pounder slated to be in the first wave of that planned invasion where the casualty rates were expected to be in the 90% or higher range ... I will not second guess our history or the choices made. To do so is to basically wish I would have never been born.