Kansas Police Seize 11 Y/O Boy After School Presentation

a reply to: wantsome

Unfortunately for you, cannabis doesn't affect one's IQ or whatever you want to blame your short-comings on. Being smart is making the right choices at the right time..sober or high.

a reply to: Darkblade71

Actually it's all inadmissible unless they read the child his rights and informed him he can have his parents or an attorney present I believe. It's called custodial interrogation.

ETA: Here is the case law.

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com...

a reply to: gatorneedhisgat

There is a correlation between lower IQ and Cannabis use. Cause and effect can't be determined, but there's a relationship. It could be that lower IQ people use Cannabis and higher IQ people don't.

ETA: The link is only for those who start during adolescence, not as adults when the brain is more fully developed.
ETA2: The physical impact of smoking on the brain is a direct cause of cannabis use. The "decision making" part of the brain is smaller.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: gatorneedhisgat

There is a correlation between lower IQ and Cannabis use. Cause and effect can't be determined, but there's a relationship. It could be that lower IQ people use Cannabis and higher IQ people don't.

ETA: The link is only for those who start during adolescence, not as adults when the brain is more fully developed.
ETA2: The physical impact of smoking on the brain is a direct cause of cannabis use. The "decision making" part of the brain is smaller.

Some studies demonstrate a MINOR difference in IQ's, but this is a statistical trend. Yes, I would say there is an elevated statistical probability that individuals with lower IQ's start smoking earlier. Not that weed lowers your IQ, or that intelligent people won't smoke weed. Merely a heightened statistical probability that lower IQ people would be a bit more likely to start younger, not to say that only low IQ people will start younger. Just a slight statistical trend, and THAT is the reason for the minor deviation in IQ's between people who smart smoking younger and those who don't, NOT that weed lowers IQ.

a reply to: TheJourney

Impossible to say one way or another. There is a correlation, either weed lowers IQ or lower IQ people smoke at a young age.

The physical effect on the brain is proven, it's causal, not a correlation.

originally posted by: Darkblade71
a reply to: windword

Kansas failed it's medical marijuana legislation.

There will be no medical mj in that state for a while,
and because of that fact, this is what happened. The boy should of not of been encouraged to do a presentation as it is an illegal substance in Kansas, and as such, he openly admitted that it was being used illegally by his mother.

That gives the police the right to move in regardless of what anyone thinks for or against medical mj.

Do I think it is right? No, but it is something they should of seen coming,
it is just common sense.

Say what?....it has nothing to do with MJ...it was a boy in a DRUG EDUCATION class speaking on opinion.
Sounds like he was just relating info of a differing point of view.
Be like being in a criminology class speaking on rape....rape is illegal....but is it illegal to discuss it....NO.

He may have used the words...my mom uses it for medicinal purposes...so some arrogant self righteous dickweed got their pubes in a knot and informed the police.

Total misuse of power going to someone's simple dimwitted little mind.

originally posted by: Darkblade71
a reply to: windword

Kansas failed it's medical marijuana legislation.

In Wichita we voted by ballot to lower the first time offence of MJ. The state AG says he will sue the city because MJ is a schedule one drug. I have advised the folks pushing this eventual legalization or at least medical, to fight the state AG with our voting right to turn the city into a alcohol and tobacco free. We will do it for the children. Wichita is the largest city in Kansa and has been and will be the golden tax paying goose so to say. That goose can either crap all over the state by simply removing all the money coming in from them sin taxed items. Or they can play ball and back off on the MJ initiative and still get them sin taxes. It's that simple or should I say that pathetic of what this country has come to is you have to blackmail the elected to do the will of the governed.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: gatorneedhisgat

There is a correlation between lower IQ and Cannabis use. Cause and effect can't be determined, but there's a relationship. It could be that lower IQ people use Cannabis and higher IQ people don't.

ETA: The link is only for those who start during adolescence, not as adults when the brain is more fully developed.
ETA2: The physical impact of smoking on the brain is a direct cause of cannabis use. The "decision making" part of the brain is smaller.

This is where people just believe crud from poor studies....Carl Sagan was a very heavy user...with an amazingly high IQ.
Ridiculous bringing this crap into this discussion.

A 2012 Duke University study made international headlines when it purported to find a link between heavy marijuana use and IQ decline among teenagers. Other researchers questioned the findings almost immediately: Columbia University's Carl Hart noted the very small sample of heavy users (38) in the study, leading him to question how generalizable the results were.

Then, a follow-up study published 6 months later in the same journal found that the Duke paper failed to account for a number of confounding factors: "Although it would be too strong to say that the results have been discredited, the methodology is flawed and the causal inference drawn from the results premature," it concluded.

rotton case study

My IQ is over 130 .....just saying...and if anyone has a reasonable IQ they will be able to put 2+2 together.

originally posted by: plube
This is where people just believe crud from poor studies....Carl Sagan was a very heavy user...with an amazingly high IQ.
Ridiculous bringing this crap into this discussion.

OMG either I was mistaken ... or you just used the exception that proves the rule logical fallacy. Yep, you did, congrats!

A 2012 Duke University study made international headlines when it purported to find a link between heavy marijuana use and IQ decline among teenagers. Other researchers questioned the findings almost immediately: Columbia University's Carl Hart noted the very small sample of heavy users (38) in the study, leading him to question how generalizable the results were.

Then, a follow-up study published 6 months later in the same journal found that the Duke paper failed to account for a number of confounding factors: "Although it would be too strong to say that the results have been discredited, the methodology is flawed and the causal inference drawn from the results premature," it concluded.

rotton case study

Awesome, you do realize your source just said exactly what I said and you proved me right? It says the lower IQ portion was true, but it could be due to other factors, in essence, low IQ people smoke weed, not weed causes low IQ. The main rebuttal is that weed is smoked by low class poverty stricken people and that is a confounding variable for lower IQ, so it's not the pot, it's the fact it's smoked by low class people.

My IQ is over 130 .....just saying...and if anyone has a reasonable IQ they will be able to put 2+2 together.

I would question that based upon your inability to follow along. It's also another logical fallacy. My IQ is higher than yours, who cares?

originally posted by: plube
My IQ is over 130 .....just saying...and if anyone has a reasonable IQ they will be able to put 2+2 together.

So does your IQ stay the same when you're under the influence, or should we remove the 0, temporarily of course? ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SheopleNation
What kind of imbecile sends their 11 year old to school to promote smoking weed? I bet you the kid is already getting high off his parents stash, and if not how long will it be before he is? I am sure being stoned will help him get through school just fine.

Anyone who thinks it is ok for kids to be around, or to smoke weed needs to get off the dope themselves. That is why I am against it being legalized (commercialized), because it will be inside stores and households just like booze is. It's illegal now, yet it's everywhere, so you don't need to empower the State Governments with control over it. Think?

Speaking of "thinking" it would be nice if you did the same. As it stands now, kids have easy access to marijuana with zero restrictions. Go find a teenager on the street. He probably knows someone who can score him some pot.

Here in Occupied California you can have up to an ounce for personal use, and that is all that you need. Giving the States more tax revenue to blow on stupid socialist programs, and dumbing down the herds even more is a horrible idea. I don't believe that people should go to prison for Marijuana use though. It also has medical benefits, like treating nausea.

The solution is to find some sort of common ground while using some commonsense at the same time. ~$heopleNation

The common ground is flat out legalization. It shouldn't be illegal in the first place and it is no WHERE near as harmful as alcohol.

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: plube
My IQ is over 130 .....just saying...and if anyone has a reasonable IQ they will be able to put 2+2 together.

So does your IQ stay the same when you're under the influence, or should we remove the 0, temporarily of course? ~$heopleNation

Who cares what happens to your IQ when you smoke if it is only temporary?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Weed is smoked not just by the poor but by the rich as well. Many successful musicians use it on the daily. Like the study said, other factors are a lot more important in the grand scheme of things. THC doesn't ruin lives.

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: plube
My IQ is over 130 .....just saying...and if anyone has a reasonable IQ they will be able to put 2+2 together.

So does your IQ stay the same when you're under the influence, or should we remove the 0, temporarily of course? ~$heopleNation

One more thing:
Carl Sagan, Marijuana Advocate, Explains What It's Like To Be High While Carl Sagan

Carl Sagan, a titan of scientific study and communication, died in 1996, leaving behind an expansive legacy of research and education. He assumed a diverse set of roles throughout his life, including as a longtime casual user of and advocate for marijuana.

Sagan's involvement with pot began as a secret, when he penned an essay in 1969, at the age of 35, under the pseudonym "Mr. X." The piece, in which Sagan described the benefits he felt from using marijuana, later appeared in Dr. Lester Grinspoon's 1971 book, "Marihuana Reconsidered." Sagan's identity as the author wasn't publicly disclosed until 1999, when Keay Davidson published "Carl Sagan: A Life," which documented Sagan's writings as his alter-ego, "Mr. X."

Writing that he'd begun smoking intermittently around 10 years before, Sagan noted that marijuana "amplifies torpid sensibilities and produces what to me are even more interesting effects."

"The cannabis experience has greatly improved my appreciation for art, a subject which I had never much appreciated before," he wrote. "The understanding of the intent of the artist which I can achieve when high sometimes carries over to when I’m down. This is one of many human frontiers which cannabis has helped me traverse."

Sagan went on to explain in intricate detail how his experiences listening to music, eating food and even having sex were all heightened while high.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Speaking of "thinking" it would be nice if you did the same. As it stands now, kids have easy access to marijuana with zero restrictions.

From what I have read from you in this thread, it's clear that you are having a difficult time thinking rationally. Do you wake up to that stuff as well?

Putting it on the shelves inside stores right in front of their faces is a lot different than some kid in the inner city knowing who the neighborhood pot dealer is.

Calm down, nobody wants to take your dope away. Some of us just think it's a bad idea to package it up in bright neon lights for young people who's brains are still developing. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Who cares what happens to your IQ when you smoke if it is only temporary?

Are you actually suggesting that smoking pot doesn't kill brain cells? You seem very confused. What is next, the smoke is good for your lungs too? LMAO! ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Speaking of "thinking" it would be nice if you did the same. As it stands now, kids have easy access to marijuana with zero restrictions.

From what I have read from you in this thread, it's clear that you are having a difficult time thinking rationally. Do you wake up to that stuff as well?

Says the guy trying to make an argument that temporary IQ loss while high is somehow a bad thing.

Putting it on the shelves inside stores right in front of their faces is a lot different than some kid in the inner city knowing who the neighborhood pot dealer is.

Yes, you are right. When you put it in stores and make it legal then it is subject to regulations and restrictions. Stores can get shutdown by the authorities for selling alcohol to minors, do you think that anything would be different with marijuana? No, of course not. Colorado is painting that picture just fine. Oh by the way, youth rates in Colorado look like this:
Pot Use Among Colorado Teens Appears to Drop After Legalization

So who is the one not thinking rationally now?

Calm down, nobody wants to take your dope away. Some of us just think it's a bad idea to package it up in bright neon lights for young people who's brains are still developing. ~$heopleNation

Well MOST of us realize that won't happen and that marijuana will be sold very similarly to how alcohol and tobacco are being sold now.

By the way, they already took my "dope" away. They took it away in 1933. I'm trying to get it back.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Says the guy trying to make an argument that temporary IQ loss while high is somehow a bad

Oh really? I must have missed where I claimed that. Maybe you can help me?

Try to stay focused for a minute here.

Pot is very destructive to a young developing brain. People can grow their own, no need to commercialize it, other than for medical use. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Who cares what happens to your IQ when you smoke if it is only temporary?

Are you actually suggesting that smoking pot doesn't kill brain cells? You seem very confused. What is next, the smoke is good for your lungs too? LMAO! ~$heopleNation

It doesn't. That is a myth pushed by the "Just say no" propaganda team. They've known it was a myth all the way back in 2003.
Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain

You should perhaps update yourself on recent marijuana science. You appear to be woefully ill equipped for this discussion. Here is a study from 2015 further disproving this stupid myth.

Marijuana Does Not Kill Brain Cells? New 2015 Study Disproves 2014 Claims

originally posted by: SheopleNation
originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Pot is very destructive to a young developing brain. People can grow their own, no need to commercialize it, other than for medical use. ~$heopleNation

Well that is why when pot is legalized, we put age minimums (21) on its usage. I also have no problem with commercialization. I don't fear it. Plus, it's GOING to happen. The marijuana lobby is growing by leaps and bounds, corporate marijuana companies are already in the works. It IS inevitable, and if you think it will squeeze out the little guy then you would be contradicting your point about being able to grow your own.