UFO's - Why do we assume Aliens when Human Origin is more plausible?

originally posted by: Rocker2013
I'm a logical thinker, my opinions are formed through evidence, plausibility, probability and the available information for a theory, and for a long time I have wondered why so many people think UFO = Aliens, when it's more likely that UFO = Secret Government Project.

Here's a fun one:

Kecksburg "acorn" UFO from reports of a crash in December of 1965:




India's Human Spaceflight Capsule to be test launched in December later this year:




December 2015 - December 1965 = EXACTLY 50 YEARS!!!!!!!!

OMG! Forget Aliens!!!! Time Travel!!!?!!?!?!

I recently watched some documentaries on the subject of man-made UFO's and the information out there only confirms by beliefs - most, if not all, UFO sightings and experiences are man-made craft, stemming from Nazi science.

The argument goes, if Nazis had such advanced science with vehicles with the flight characteristics described in UFO reports of the time then the Nazis would have won the war.

originally posted by: crayzeed
I really do despair sometimes at answering these posts.
Listen very closely again. ALL that means ALL modern aircraft (including the new F whatever number it is) depend on thrust technology. Drones, stealth, fighter or bombers all use thrust to keep them in the air. That meansalways going forward, the odd vtol just directs this thrust downwards. That is it! Whatever fuel or drive is used it is used to provide thrust.

This doesn't require thrust in the conventional sense. It uses light.










And it has been implicated in at least one UFO sighting in Brazil: www.adguk-blog.com...




Photo from this thread.

Yeah, I've been struggling with this for decades... I know something called UFOs exist as something more than misidentified mundane objects... the problem is figuring them out (or the whole point of the exercise, for all we know).

The astr0 narrative of a previous civ enabling all this makes some sense, and might even be supported, but the timeline and some serious and odd experiences point to other coexisting factors at the least... especially pre 1940's...

maybe, as we are finding some similarities in our physical environment to rendering in computer games, we are an historical simulation... not real, but based on an historical reality... heh... dunno, but there sure is something that most would find very surprising going on.

It's tied to our very reality... or lack thereof!

I'm not sure of much, but other dimensions and states of consciousness are pretty well established... but we still have oodles to learn and I'm betting the next pieces of the puzzle are going to be a ...surprising fit.

a reply to: Rocker2013

There's absolutely no reason why at least some UFO's cannot be attributed to both 'aliens' and 'Humans'...and not in the way most people would imagine either.

For example...people have reported species of 'aliens' piloting UFO's that are undeniably Human in appearance, but having quirky or unusual traits, such as telepathy (perhaps technological telepathy rather than natural ability), astounding intelligence, and personality that emanates wisdom beyond their apparent physical age.

They are often described as very Human looking, so much so that if one were to walk past you in the street, you'd be none the wiser as to their otherworldly origin and assume they are from Earth.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility, that these Human looking Aliens, are actually Human beings, although not actually from here. It could be that their ancestors were on Earth thousands of years ago, perhaps many thousands of years ago, were highly technological and left Earth to go elsewhere to start Human colonies on different worlds or moons.

They could be coming back to see what their 'kin' are up to on the old home world.

a reply to: JadeStar

The argument goes, if Nazis had such advanced science with vehicles with the flight characteristics described in UFO reports of the time then the Nazis would have won the war.

Perhaps the truth is MUCH weirder than first appears.

What if the NAZI's weren't interested in 'winning' WW2, instead were much more interested in the research budget, manpower and general carte blanch afforded to their saucer and other advanced technology programmes, by virtue of being at war?

If the plan was always going to be that the select groups of leading NAZI figures would go on to create bases in remote locations, and operate off world bases...they would only have to maintain the illusion of wanting or trying to win the war, until they had their chess pieces strategically placed and ready for phase two perhaps?

Nothing is black and white, except perhaps black and white.

a reply to: MysterX
Just to let you know interstellar isn't real and it's theories are BS. They are warping your mind and posts. .lol

a reply to: rossacus

Haven't seen it yet, so while others may well have similar theories, my thoughts are my own.

a reply to: JadeStar
A hang glider or a kite don't depend on thrust to fly but it doesn't make them interstellar craft. The videos you show are just toys. Yes, they are seriously researching this propulsion but it has the ultimate drawback, it can't carry its own fuel and in consequence relies on a ground based laser. This is fine if you are only flying a model but a man carrying craft? I seriously doubt it.
If WE are to travel, even only in our solar system, we will have to take our fuel with us. We wont do it with our conventional propulsion, to bulky. I think the only way to go is to harness gravity as gravity permeates the whole universe ie. the fuel is everywhere, so we have no need to take it with us, we just have to learn how to manipulate it.
Are they looking into it? You better believe it.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Good points, which is why I consider all sightings of the 20th century + to be nothing more than human technology, no matter if more advanced. I am kind of seeing no reason to think a single case of UFOs is not man or natural related ! And yes name it Rendlesham, Phoenix lights and whichever big event - still human tech is plausible.

However, I think if some of what ancient books and records have described - meeting with advanced beings, they would have to be outwordly as there was no advanced technology in our known ancient times. Ofc if Atlanteans did exist, there is your advanced high tech civilization but the point is, the Ancient Times and prior to them - one should be open-minded that this is also an option. This is where I hit a rock with skeptics - being certain there is no such option...

a reply to: MysterX
Well you would make a fine Sci Fi writer if that's the case. When I see what people post as "there own theories" is often a mixture between interstellar, star gate and Dr Who. ..or use "conciousness" as a means of avoiding substance in terms of physical science

a reply to: Rocker2013

Interesting notions. I think its somewhere in the neighborhood of 50/50 natural phenomenon and human technology. People overreact and coupled with a notoriously inaccurate human recollection and all of a sudden hybrid reptile sea donkeys are invading us for our gold.

a reply to: Rocker2013

The OP's theory falls apart for a dozen reasons, but one will do:

There were hundreds of sightings of these flying disc shaped craft reported in the 1920s.

So, that's that.

Unless you're saying that Nazis who didn't exist yet created these vehicles at the same time as the Red Baron's tri-wing Fokker?

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: JadeStar

The argument goes, if Nazis had such advanced science with vehicles with the flight characteristics described in UFO reports of the time then the Nazis would have won the war.

Perhaps the truth is MUCH weirder than first appears.

What if the NAZI's weren't interested in 'winning' WW2, instead were much more interested in the research budget, manpower and general carte blanch afforded to their saucer and other advanced technology programmes, by virtue of being at war?

If the plan was always going to be that the select groups of leading NAZI figures would go on to create bases in remote locations, and operate off world bases...they would only have to maintain the illusion of wanting or trying to win the war, until they had their chess pieces strategically placed and ready for phase two perhaps?

Nothing is black and white, except perhaps black and white.

Sounds way too much like Nazi propaganda. Considering the demographic most drawn to UFO conventions it doesn't surprise me stuff with a heavy Nazi propaganda feel permeate the UFO crowd: ie "What if the Nazis were behind the flying saucers? What if they didn't really lose the war", "beautiful blond haired, blue eyed 'good' aliens" etc, etc.....

It all sounds too much like a neo-Nazi propaganda movement within the context of esoterica. (which is hardly surprising).

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: JadeStar
A hang glider or a kite don't depend on thrust to fly but it doesn't make them interstellar craft.

Who said UFOs had to be interstellar craft?

The videos you show are just toys. Yes, they are seriously researching this propulsion but it has the ultimate drawback, it can't carry its own fuel and in consequence relies on a ground based laser. This is fine if you are only flying a model but a man carrying craft? I seriously doubt it.

There's nothing about the technology presented in those videos which would prevent it from being scaled up which is why serious research is going into it and such serious research could be misidentified as "space aliens in interstellar UFOs" when in reality it's just a test of a very Earthly, futuristic technology.

a reply to: JadeStar

Here you talk about UFO's as very earthly futuristic technology but in another thread you say nothing can escape our atmosphere that astronomers won't be able to identify. Any launch from earth will have 50-100 people involved, and people in 1000 mile proximity have the ability to witness the launch.

So where is your evidence? Where are the photographs from astronomers capturing said UFO technology? Or is this only a modern breakthrough since camera technology is growing almost at exponential rate? Maybe in the past people weren't taking photos like they are now...

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: JadeStar

The argument goes, if Nazis had such advanced science with vehicles with the flight characteristics described in UFO reports of the time then the Nazis would have won the war.

Perhaps the truth is MUCH weirder than first appears.

What if the NAZI's weren't interested in 'winning' WW2, instead were much more interested in the research budget, manpower and general carte blanch afforded to their saucer and other advanced technology programmes, by virtue of being at war?

If the plan was always going to be that the select groups of leading NAZI figures would go on to create bases in remote locations, and operate off world bases...they would only have to maintain the illusion of wanting or trying to win the war, until they had their chess pieces strategically placed and ready for phase two perhaps?

Nothing is black and white, except perhaps black and white.

What if they didn't really lose the war", "beautiful blond haired, blue eyed 'good' aliens" etc, etc.....

Hold up girl........... Don't jump on that bandwagon of making all us awesome blonde hair and blue eyed people out to be pure evil, simply because of the stupid Nazi movement.

I do have to say though, the Nazi's did seem to be far more interested in achieving there ideology than just winning the war. So maybe they did have secret technology they never used in WWII. That the American government got hold of when they defeated the Nazi's. It is an interesting theory.

originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: JadeStar

Here you talk about UFO's as very earthly futuristic technology but in another thread you say nothing can escape our atmosphere that astronomers won't be able to identify.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

That photograph from Brazil quite likely was a test of one of these light craft. Yet someone took a picture of it.

Any launch from earth will have 50-100 people involved, and people in 1000 mile proximity have the ability to witness the launch.

Yes. Unless you believe in silent rockets, invisible fire and smoke and secret teams of people at universities who design scientific instruments.

So where is your evidence? Where are the photographs from astronomers capturing said UFO technology?

Where did I say astronomers captured UFO technology? I said that amateur satellite trackers routinely photograph stuff in space. Sometimes its classified unacknowledged stuff like spysats.

These are not professional astronomers, they are no different than you other than they know how to operate a telescope, camera and know when and where to point it.

The fact that these people aren't photographing saucers and TR3Bs and "secret launches" puts a lie to your whole "secret space program" myth.

Are there are secret spacecraft? Yes.

Are their launches secret? Not really.

Can you hide the sky? Nope.

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: Rocker2013
There were hundreds of sightings of these flying disc shaped craft reported in the 1920s.

So, that's that.

Source?

a reply to: JadeStar

Care to expand why they aren't mutually exclusive?

2nd

a reply to: rossacus

I'm full of energetic, original ideas..unfortunately, that energy doesn't extend to the actual work of conscientiously and diligently working on writing a novel..even a comparatively bad one.