US 'Trainers' Arrive in Ukraine for Operation Fearless Guardian

originally posted by: bullcat
Well, they are in a war zone, shame is something happened to them.

It is OFFICIAL the US has DEPLOYED SOLDIERS to UKRAINE. Cannot deny it now, doesn't matter what their ROLE is, they are US SOLDIERS in UKRAINE.

America is now part of the Ukraine War. You picked a side, shame if it were brought home to your backyard by rebels.



Frankly, the sooner these SOLDIERS return in body bags, the sooner the message will be clearer to the US people.

What message would that be, they only managed to kill 15 Russians for everyone of them that died?

Or russia is truly the aggressor and will stop at nothing to try to reclaim their imagined right to be an empire?

Welp, there goes the US isn't involved in Ukraine lament… like it was never there.

173rd brigade did the same thing in Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan… none of which can be called victorious.

Wiki

Hope this does turn into another Nam, America needs a good reminder. People seem to have forgotten their past.

Let's see all the armchair patriots scurry under the chairs once their draft letters come in.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Well looks like war is inevitable.

Only plus side, that they arent hiding it and we can at least prepare.

Other than that, we are screwed, all of us no matter who wins.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: FyreByrd

Well looks like war is inevitable.

Only plus side, that they arent hiding it and we can at least prepare.

Other than that, we are screwed, all of us no matter who wins.

I would rather they be open and honest about their involvement, nothing worse than having obvious lies planted in your face like a steamy turd and rubbed in.



Well, if this escalates, America does NOT have my support.

No support on the ground, you can send in the politicians, they're the only people that support you.

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Us putting 300 troops isn't up to Russia it's up to Ukraine and nobody's going to war with Russia.

It is because russia is using the same fail ideology the imperial Japanese used before WW2.

They "are a great nation" and thus "have a right to a great empire".

The quotes are actually from the imperial Japanese, but I think they fit rather well in this context.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Us putting 300 troops isn't up to Russia it's up to Ukraine and nobody's going to war with Russia.

It is because russia is using the same fail ideology the imperial Japanese used before WW2.

They "are a great nation" and thus "have a right to a great empire".

The quotes are actually from the imperial Japanese, but I think they fit rather well in this context.

Americans have never said they "are a great nation" have they now. Americans don't have bases outside their country.

How many bases does Russia have outside of Russia? How many does America have outside of America?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: bullcat

NATO is a defensive pact. Ukraine is not a NATO member. So why would this be under NATO? That said other NATO members have already sent trainers to Ukraine.

Because of all the huff puff coming out of NATO's butt about their "partner".

NATO wants is MORE MONEY. That is why they are sending wing walkers and tours of bogey men around Europe.

a reply to: bullcat

Yeah, honestly with all the evils the US has, lack of oversight is not one of them.

In the end, we will not do or think what we do or think now. When war is in full bloom, you will have gone through things you cant even understand now.

If there is a full blown war between the US and Russia with no nuclear strikes, then we will be at war for many decades, and we will not be the same people we are now.

Some will join the war effort, no matter how much they huff and puff now, and hide their past words and sentiment as they will be dangerous.

Others will outright join the other side......

I imagine that many who are soldiers now will not want to be them later and both sides will lose their peacetime career soldiers. Those who have already been through this will go insane or just become miserable....they wont want to give any more and they will see every sacrifice wiith contempt.

This is especially true for Russia. They will need to force guns into peoples hands. Their "patriots" are running on high pitched propaganda. That runs out fairly quickly when hungry or getting shot at...historically, who knows what will happen now.


This is not just a war between nations. This is a global civil war.

I will be the first to say it. GLOBAL CIVIL WAR.

This is our "north VS south"...like the wars before the age of man....

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Us putting 300 troops isn't up to Russia it's up to Ukraine and nobody's going to war with Russia.

It is because russia is using the same fail ideology the imperial Japanese used before WW2.

They "are a great nation" and thus "have a right to a great empire".

The quotes are actually from the imperial Japanese, but I think they fit rather well in this context.

This isn't Vietnam and Russia isn't invincible. The spineless Obama isn't going to attack Russia.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: bullcat

Yeah, honestly with all the evils the US has, lack of oversight is not one of them.

In the end, we will not do or think what we do or think now. When war is in full bloom, you will have gone through things you cant even understand now.

If there is a full blown war between the US and Russia with no nuclear strikes, then we will be at war for many decades, and we will not be the same people we are now.
Some will join the war effort, no matter how much they huff and puff now, and hide their past words and sentiment as they will be dangerous.

Others will outright join the other side......

This is not just a war between nations. This is a global civil war.

I will be the first to say it. GLOBAL CIVIL WAR.

I might even take a few pot shots at the Yanks myself if they ever come over here if it goes flow blown escalation.

If the Yanks ever do occupy (by whatever means and name they chose to cover it) they will have more than Russian to deal with, they will have the local populace to deal with too. We're not all friendly to you, you can thank your policies that hurt us in the past decades.

originally posted by: intrptr
Welp, there goes the US isn't involved in Ukraine lament… like it was never there.

173rd brigade did the same thing in Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan… none of which can be called victorious.

Wiki

I was hoping we wouldn't get involved.

This situation is way different than Vietnam or Iraq/Afghanistan.

In those were fighting against the civilian population, on their own land.

In this instance it is more like WW2 where it is foreign troops on foreign land with the civilian population in our favor.

But that paints it too black and white.

It is much more involved and chaotic.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: intrptr
Welp, there goes the US isn't involved in Ukraine lament… like it was never there.

173rd brigade did the same thing in Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan… none of which can be called victorious.

Wiki

I was hoping we wouldn't get involved.

This situation is way different than Vietnam or Iraq/Afghanistan.

In those were fighting against the civilian population, on their own land.

In this instance it is more like WW2 where it is foreign troops on foreign land with the civilian population in our favor.

But that paints it too black and white.

It is much more involved and chaotic.

You've been involved for years before it kicked off to this.

What are you talking about "hoping to not get involved"? You were knee deep in it for years.

originally posted by: bullcat
Hope this does turn into another Nam, America needs a good reminder. People seem to have forgotten their past.

Let's see all the armchair patriots scurry under the chairs once their draft letters come in.

America doesn't compell military service.

Volunteers are much better at the job.

Besides, I am a vet, I am no armchair patriot.

I did serve.

a reply to: bullcat

yeah, well maybe you will change your mind....if the prospect of getting yanks over there will get rid of the Russian forces you wont like too much either. Who knows what you will look forward to that yanks may bring over. Some food, water, doctors....A nice missile defence system to stop air raids....another couple pounds of meat to get shot at other than you.....

Maybe you will be dead by the time anything like that happens. Maybe you will get shot by one of your own before the war gets too bad because you will voice your sentiment. After a few decades of hardship, I would be surprised if any of us are the same...

Good luck either way.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: FyreByrd

Well looks like war is inevitable.

Only plus side, that they arent hiding it and we can at least prepare.

Other than that, we are screwed, all of us no matter who wins.

Sad but true.

War sucks, there are never truly any winners, only survivors.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: bullcat
Hope this does turn into another Nam, America needs a good reminder. People seem to have forgotten their past.

Let's see all the armchair patriots scurry under the chairs once their draft letters come in.

America doesn't compell military service.

Volunteers are much better at the job.

Besides, I am a vet, I am no armchair patriot.

I did serve.

I don't care whether you're a vet or not, I don't owe you anything. In fact I'm ashamed of you, a disgrace.

The only thing that grows is CRIME and CRIME gangs and paramilitaries, a lot of disorder and chaos.

Look at those running Ukraine, paramilitaries controlled by the rich as their private armies. In Europe you will see a major boost to crime gangs and paramilitaries and all the scum you can muster.

You WILL want to be armed, to the teeth if you want to survive. Or at least, get organised in numbers, walled communities will spring up.

originally posted by: bullcat

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Us putting 300 troops isn't up to Russia it's up to Ukraine and nobody's going to war with Russia.

It is because russia is using the same fail ideology the imperial Japanese used before WW2.

They "are a great nation" and thus "have a right to a great empire".

The quotes are actually from the imperial Japanese, but I think they fit rather well in this context.

Americans have never said they "are a great nation" have they now. Americans don't have bases outside their country.

How many bases does Russia have outside of Russia? How many does America have outside of America?

You ever wonder why?

A lot of places want american military in their countries.

We spend money in their economies, we provide security, and it prevents possible enemies from attacking them.

Nobody wants a Russian base in their country, because russia has a long track record of keeping other peoples land once they have military forces on it.

Do you not see the obvious advantage of US bases, and disadvantage of Russian bases?

Well ism't this ironic...

Putin is mad because the US is training Ukraine's military, yet he has no problem training the separatists and supplying them with military hardware.

As far as the troops being sent...

Ukraine's Interior Minister Arsen Avakov had earlier said the US brigade would train about 900 Ukrainian National Guard troops.

The 173rd Airborne Brigade has already trained with Ukrainian forces elsewhere in Europe and took part in the multinational Rapid Trident field training exercises in Ukraine in September.

"The Americans have enormous combat experience and will teach skills to our military that can be used in combat," Ukrainian army spokesman Andriy Lysenko told a news conference Friday.

The training will include "how to give first aid, react to shelling and find out the positions of militants", he said.

news.yahoo.com...

Seems the OP source left out some info, so it looks like the Ukrainian military want to actually learn how to fight in conflicts instead of being like they are now.