World’s oldest stone tools discovered in Kenya

My step father told me once that the stone age never really ended. His idea was that when anyone today has picked up a rock to use as a hammer stone when a modern hammer wasn't available, then stone tools were still in use, therefore, the stone age never really ended. Old technology never really goes away, just doesn't get used as much in modern times.

Figure it's not really a surprise even chimpanzees have been known to make spears for hunting.

a reply to: borntowatch

No offence meant, but I have yet to see a single find like this that isn't being reported only on fringe sites with absolutely no scientific merit. These so called OOP artifacts are poorly documented at best and, sorry to say, Occam's razor is pretty clear with this one. Without proper evidence, anything you find being reported almost exclusively by young earth creationists (Not taking jabs here, that's just the most common result I found when I searched for this stuff) has to be looked at as a hoax.

You can say you found this or that in 312 million year old coal, but chances are that no, you in fact didn't. Or you found something that got covered in coal during a mine collapse or the like. But let's say you did. The earth is still something around four billion years old. Humans have been around for something like 2.5 to 4 million years. If, through some incredibly improbable circumstance, you're right and these objects are as old as a few stubborn, paranoid characters say they are they've got a much better chance of being alien garbage than anything else.

So, yeah, I'd say your information is firmly, unilaterally incorrect. The information being used by actual researchers might also be wrong, but the key difference here is when the scientific community realizes they've found something earth shattering and new they study the ever living piss out of it and shout it from the mountain tops. We don't find genuinely out of place artifacts because, as drab as it may sound, these things simply do not exist.

That cast iron pot isn't 312 million years old. That bell was a complete hoax. That's it. Just like crystal pyramids under Bermuda and ancient civilizations having super advanced technology, OOPA are complete, total bunk. Like the Hyborean Era of Robert E. Howard. A fantasy that is fun to speculate on but still totally fabricated. Oh, also the giants, Nephilim, and the bloody Anunnaki too. And those lizard people David Icke likes to go on about. You know, not to make you feel singled out here.

originally posted by: obscurepanda
a reply to: borntowatch

No offence meant, but I have yet to see a single find like this that isn't being reported only on fringe sites with absolutely no scientific merit. These so called OOP artifacts are poorly documented at best and, sorry to say, Occam's razor is pretty clear with this one. Without proper evidence, anything you find being reported almost exclusively by young earth creationists (Not taking jabs here, that's just the most common result I found when I searched for this stuff) has to be looked at as a hoax.

You can say you found this or that in 312 million year old coal, but chances are that no, you in fact didn't. Or you found something that got covered in coal during a mine collapse or the like. But let's say you did. The earth is still something around four billion years old. Humans have been around for something like 2.5 to 4 million years. If, through some incredibly improbable circumstance, you're right and these objects are as old as a few stubborn, paranoid characters say they are they've got a much better chance of being alien garbage than anything else.

So, yeah, I'd say your information is firmly, unilaterally incorrect. The information being used by actual researchers might also be wrong, but the key difference here is when the scientific community realizes they've found something earth shattering and new they study the ever living piss out of it and shout it from the mountain tops. We don't find genuinely out of place artifacts because, as drab as it may sound, these things simply do not exist.

That cast iron pot isn't 312 million years old. That bell was a complete hoax. That's it. Just like crystal pyramids under Bermuda and ancient civilizations having super advanced technology, OOPA are complete, total bunk. Like the Hyborean Era of Robert E. Howard. A fantasy that is fun to speculate on but still totally fabricated. Oh, also the giants, Nephilim, and the bloody Anunnaki too. And those lizard people David Icke likes to go on about. You know, not to make you feel singled out here.

I agree
Anything I find is going to be an absolute hoax, anything you find is going to be 100% fact

I stated as much.

Now do you want to show me some empirical evidence?

I believe in OOPARTS, the Great Pyramid is one


and NO I never stated, suggested or related anything about giants, Nephilim, and the bloody Anunnaki too. And those lizard people David Icke ...nothing

The dating methods are all wrong, its not earth shattering, they are stone tools

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
My step father told me once that the stone age never really ended. His idea was that when anyone today has picked up a rock to use as a hammer stone when a modern hammer wasn't available, then stone tools were still in use, therefore, the stone age never really ended. Old technology never really goes away, just doesn't get used as much in modern times.

What amazes me are the scientists who look at crudely developed stone tools and date them as early pieces made by less developed species. The reality is they could have been made a few hundred years ago by someone in a hurry

a reply to: borntowatch

*pat pat* Oh, honey... when one has their worldview challenged, and they can't really defend it they become hostile. When one begins to doubt their closely held beliefs they become hostile. It's alright to accept the world isn't the way you thought, but if you'd rather be willfully incorrect, it's really not my problem. I was just explaining the holes in your fairly shoddy argument.

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
My step father told me once that the stone age never really ended. His idea was that when anyone today has picked up a rock to use as a hammer stone when a modern hammer wasn't available, then stone tools were still in use, therefore, the stone age never really ended. Old technology never really goes away, just doesn't get used as much in modern times.

What amazes me are the scientists who look at crudely developed stone tools and date them as early pieces made by less developed species. The reality is they could have been made a few hundred years ago by someone in a hurry

Although no one would expect an ordinary person such as you or I to be schooled in this, the fact is archaeologists and geologists actually can tell when the ground has been disturbed in the past. Believe it or not, it's a fact.

So it is quite easy for such academics to tell when a stone tool they find has been buried recently by someone, whether in a hurry or not.

And when such a tool is found on the surface, there are ways to ascertain whether or not it was recently made. Just because you and I are not the inventors of such methods, that doesn't mean the methods are invalid.

I didn't invent the computer, and have only a rudimentary idea of exactly how it works, but I don't ascribe the computer to some alien technology because of this, nor do I consider it a miraculous invention.

Harte

originally posted by: borntowatch

What amazes me are the scientists who look at crudely developed stone tools and date them as early pieces made by less developed species. The reality is they could have been made a few hundred years ago by someone in a hurry

You're joking, right?

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: bullcat
3.3 million years old eh, but but Christianity tells us we've only been here a few thousand years no?

So as a creationist, may I ask the dating methods used.

Some how I doubt you really care what method was used. As a creationist have you not already made up your mind about such things and dismissed everything that does not line up with the view of creationism?

a reply to: obscurepanda

Oh my little sweety.
I understand your confusion and need for comfort conden...
Nah crap, no games, hit me with empirical evidence or play on your own


Sick of people who cant offer anything valid....EMPIRICAL

originally posted by: defiythelie

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: bullcat
3.3 million years old eh, but but Christianity tells us we've only been here a few thousand years no?

So as a creationist, may I ask the dating methods used.

Some how I doubt you really care what method was used. As a creationist have you not already made up your mind about such things and dismissed everything that does not line up with the view of creationism?

WE WILL TRY IT AGAIN AS A QUESTION...AS IT WAS PROPOSED PREVIOUSLY....SCARRED

Seriously are you a little frightened to answer the question????

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
My step father told me once that the stone age never really ended. His idea was that when anyone today has picked up a rock to use as a hammer stone when a modern hammer wasn't available, then stone tools were still in use, therefore, the stone age never really ended. Old technology never really goes away, just doesn't get used as much in modern times.

What amazes me are the scientists who look at crudely developed stone tools and date them as early pieces made by less developed species. The reality is they could have been made a few hundred years ago by someone in a hurry

Although no one would expect an ordinary person such as you or I to be schooled in this, the fact is archaeologists and geologists actually can tell when the ground has been disturbed in the past. Believe it or not, it's a fact.

So it is quite easy for such academics to tell when a stone tool they find has been buried recently by someone, whether in a hurry or not.

And when such a tool is found on the surface, there are ways to ascertain whether or not it was recently made. Just because you and I are not the inventors of such methods, that doesn't mean the methods are invalid.

I didn't invent the computer, and have only a rudimentary idea of exactly how it works, but I don't ascribe the computer to some alien technology because of this, nor do I consider it a miraculous invention.

Harte

A rock is something you find on the ground, a computer is something you find in a computer shop, walmart or ...well not on the ground
maybe there are computers everywhere you come from, maybe on a cloudy day they fall from the sky, cool

Not where I come from

A rock though....

I will bow out here because you are welcome to your beliefs
because there is no validity in the discussion
no validity in conversation
enjoy

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck
My step father told me once that the stone age never really ended. His idea was that when anyone today has picked up a rock to use as a hammer stone when a modern hammer wasn't available, then stone tools were still in use, therefore, the stone age never really ended. Old technology never really goes away, just doesn't get used as much in modern times.

What amazes me are the scientists who look at crudely developed stone tools and date them as early pieces made by less developed species. The reality is they could have been made a few hundred years ago by someone in a hurry

Although no one would expect an ordinary person such as you or I to be schooled in this, the fact is archaeologists and geologists actually can tell when the ground has been disturbed in the past. Believe it or not, it's a fact.

So it is quite easy for such academics to tell when a stone tool they find has been buried recently by someone, whether in a hurry or not.

And when such a tool is found on the surface, there are ways to ascertain whether or not it was recently made. Just because you and I are not the inventors of such methods, that doesn't mean the methods are invalid.

I didn't invent the computer, and have only a rudimentary idea of exactly how it works, but I don't ascribe the computer to some alien technology because of this, nor do I consider it a miraculous invention.

Harte

A rock is something you find on the ground, a computer is something you find in a computer shop, walmart or ...well not on the ground
maybe there are computers everywhere you come from, maybe on a cloudy day they fall from the sky, cool

Not where I come from

A rock though....

There was a poster here - can't remember his name, for all I know it was you - that claimed all computers were manufactured by aliens working inside assembly plants they themselves designed.

At least you aren't thinking along those lines, right?

Harte

originally posted by: defiythelie

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: bullcat
3.3 million years old eh, but but Christianity tells us we've only been here a few thousand years no?

So as a creationist, may I ask the dating methods used.

Some how I doubt you really care what method was used. As a creationist have you not already made up your mind about such things and dismissed everything that does not line up with the view of creationism?

I don't understand all these generalizations. I believe in ID but I have no problem with this information. In fact I find it rather fascinating and unimpeding to my personal beliefs. Why is it that awesome threads like these end up completely derailed by this kind of stuff. I'm sure I'm not helping though. Sorry OP.

@OP, this is great! Thanks for sharing this piece. I love these topics! I think I'll dig a little more myself.

a reply to: borntowatch

What criteria would be suitable to ascertain validity for you?

Peer reviewed papers?
A YouTube video?
Some pretty pictures?

What?!

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: borntowatch

originally posted by: bullcat
3.3 million years old eh, but but Christianity tells us we've only been here a few thousand years no?

So as a creationist, may I ask the dating methods used. Did it have a date stamp on it, made in kenya logo

I would imagine the date was approximated based on the strata in which it/they were found. When you find an artifact buried underneath untouched ground that contains material that can be dated, or close estimates can be gleaned from geological factors, that's a good indication of the artifact's date.

According to some scientists and this discovery of a pot in a coal seam that was 312 million years old..... look whatever you want to believe is fine by me i dont believe your dating methodology

According to Robert O. Fay of the Oklahoma Geological Survey, the Wilburton mine coal in which the pot was found is about 312 million years old.

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and yes my information could be wrong but I bet your information cant be wrong?

That is the weakest rubbish i have seen in a long time.

Can't think of any way at all that an item would find it's way into a bag of coal?

No one is that stupid, but as usual it's a reasonable piss-taking impression of the brain dead, 6/10.

a reply to: Telos

Another thing I often wonder about is why we didn't advance faster than we have considering how long we have been creating and inventing. If you compare the last 100 or so years, in terms of advancement, to the hundreds of thousands/millions of years, it's quite mind blowing. At least for me.

Also, I would love to see those tools they dug up as well.

a reply to: Telos

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Stone tools ? I don't buy it. Humans were cleverer than apes. That's must have been a fact because humans are so much physically weaker than apes. But the stone tools they always seem to find, are very strange things if you ask me. They always appear to me as rather made by nature or else they are so basic that they seem to have been made by a smart ape, a human that was not so much smarter than an ape. But at a given moment in time a sort of big bang happened.

originally posted by: zandra
a reply to: Telos

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Stone tools ? I don't buy it. Humans were cleverer than apes. That's must have been a fact because humans are so much physically weaker than apes. But the stone tools they always seem to find, are very strange things if you ask me. They always appear to me as rather made by nature or else they are so basic that they seem to have been made by a smart ape, a human that was not so much smarter than an ape. But at a given moment in time a sort of big bang happened.

Humans are smart apes.