Obama removes Cuba from list of state sponsors of terrorism....never thought I would see this...

originally posted by: here4this


Do you remember why we tried to invade ? No , I didnt think so or you wouldnt have posted .

Because you were being intervening arse holes trying to meddle in a country's internal affairs.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Now he is just doing things to screw America just because he can.
His pastor must be proud.

He mishandles Russia
He mishandles all of the Middle East
He loses Yemen
He alienates Israel
He buddies up to Cuba

He may as well go watch a basketball game with lil Kim, its about the only thing left on his bucket list.

Not sure how relaxing relations with cuba is screwing over the USA?
Its not like Cuba is a world super power that can invade or even hurt the USA.
If anything it opens up trade oppotunitys.



As for the ME? That was mishandled long before obama took office, he is just continueing the tradition of screwing it up.

Cuba nearly annihilated the Earth by letting Soviet nukes get stationed on their soil. The same regime is in place, and here comes Obama to reward them. If you cannot see that you are either ignorant, too young to know or conceited to admit learning it, and/or a communist sympathizer.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Now he is just doing things to screw America just because he can.
His pastor must be proud.

He mishandles Russia
He mishandles all of the Middle East
He loses Yemen
He alienates Israel
He buddies up to Cuba

He may as well go watch a basketball game with lil Kim, its about the only thing left on his bucket list.

Not sure how relaxing relations with cuba is screwing over the USA?
Its not like Cuba is a world super power that can invade or even hurt the USA.
If anything it opens up trade oppotunitys.



As for the ME? That was mishandled long before obama took office, he is just continueing the tradition of screwing it up.

Cuba nearly annihilated the Earth by letting Soviet nukes get stationed on their soil. The same regime is in place, and here comes Obama to reward them. If you cannot see that you are either ignorant, too young to know or conceited to admit learning it, and/or a communist sympathizer.

And they took that action cause you tried to Invade them in the first place.

If you cant see that then either ignorant, too young to know or conceited to admit learning it, and/or a MIC sympathizer.

USA did some crap to cuba, cuba did some crap too. end of the day your both in the wrong so you may as well let bygones be bygones and move on.

Soon as a terroist attack happens and it comes through or out of Cuba they will put them back on.How it factualy is.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Now he is just doing things to screw America just because he can.
His pastor must be proud.

He mishandles Russia
He mishandles all of the Middle East
He loses Yemen
He alienates Israel
He buddies up to Cuba

He may as well go watch a basketball game with lil Kim, its about the only thing left on his bucket list.

Not sure how relaxing relations with cuba is screwing over the USA?
Its not like Cuba is a world super power that can invade or even hurt the USA.
If anything it opens up trade oppotunitys.



As for the ME? That was mishandled long before obama took office, he is just continueing the tradition of screwing it up.

Cuba nearly annihilated the Earth by letting Soviet nukes get stationed on their soil. The same regime is in place, and here comes Obama to reward them. If you cannot see that you are either ignorant, too young to know or conceited to admit learning it, and/or a communist sympathizer.

And they took that action cause you tried to Invade them in the first place.

If you cant see that then either ignorant, too young to know or conceited to admit learning it, and/or a MIC sympathizer.

USA did some crap to cuba, cuba did some crap too. end of the day your both in the wrong so you may as well let bygones be bygones and move on.

Nope, Obama is rewarding the same communist regime that almost started WWIII with global thermonuclear war.
We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves, it is what we used to do until commie sympathizer Obama came along and sided with evil.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

I dont want to sound heartless but that's a internal Cuban problem not a USA one and certainly not a EU problem.

Coups go on all the time in places like Africa, no one lifts a finger. And I honestly dont care about south America or the Caribbean internal issues unless they effect my country national security.

Unless the OP considers Socialism to be 'terrorism', has Cuba EVER been found to be responssible for ANY state sponsored act of terrorism?

I don't see the problem with this. Cuba hasn't done anything aggressive to the U.S. in some time. I understand there are old wounds that for one reason or another the hawks in the U.S. Government still continue to bring up, but I don't see why or how trying to normalize relations with Cuba is a bad thing. For one, I think the U.S. should be trying to gain new allies, not pour salt on old wounds. Fidel isn't in control anymore, and the current government there seems to be genuine in wanting to ease it's own economic pressures.

There are of course still some human rights issues with Cuba. The U.S. should be working WITH them, rather than just demanding things from them, I think that's the best course to resolve the longstanding issues there. They've been isolated for so long, it's time for a different approach.

Open the doors and in 5 years it'll be just South Florida. Finally most of the old farts have died off and so have their mistresses so the 2 countries can move forward. It was all about sex , drugs and steel drums!

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

I dont want to sound heartless but that's a internal Cuban problem not a USA one and certainly not a EU problem.

Coups go on all the time in places like Africa, no one lifts a finger. And I honestly dont care about south America or the Caribbean internal issues unless they effect my country national security.

Castro was just a puppet used by the Soviets. When they fell Cuba was left with a relic system that was forced upon them in a cold war battle. Obama should be pressuring them to reform not rewarding them first. Now they will use any economic gain to tighten their grip on Cuba, not to help the people there at all. They will side with our enemies, as that government has always done.

Obama is the JV practice squad of foreign policy.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

I dont want to sound heartless but that's a internal Cuban problem not a USA one and certainly not a EU problem.

Coups go on all the time in places like Africa, no one lifts a finger. And I honestly dont care about south America or the Caribbean internal issues unless they effect my country national security.

Castro was just a puppet used by the Soviets. When they fell Cuba was left with a relic system that was forced upon them in a cold war battle. Obama should be pressuring them to reform not rewarding them first. Now they will use any economic gain to tighten their grip on Cuba, not to help the people there at all. They will side with our enemies, as that government has always done.

Obama is the JV practice squad of foreign policy.

USA has gained reform in the most cases by working with people not against.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

I dont want to sound heartless but that's a internal Cuban problem not a USA one and certainly not a EU problem.

Coups go on all the time in places like Africa, no one lifts a finger. And I honestly dont care about south America or the Caribbean internal issues unless they effect my country national security.

Castro was just a puppet used by the Soviets. When they fell Cuba was left with a relic system that was forced upon them in a cold war battle. Obama should be pressuring them to reform not rewarding them first. Now they will use any economic gain to tighten their grip on Cuba, not to help the people there at all. They will side with our enemies, as that government has always done.

Obama is the JV practice squad of foreign policy.

USA has gained reform in the most cases by working with people not against.

Soviet Union, worked against it, they reformed.
Your argument is silly.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

Yea just tell them that everything they are doing is wrong, should drop everything and become like us. Because we all know how well that has worked out with all the other countries we've tried that with.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
I don't see the problem with this. Cuba hasn't done anything aggressive to the U.S. in some time. I understand there are old wounds that for one reason or another the hawks in the U.S. Government still continue to bring up, but I don't see why or how trying to normalize relations with Cuba is a bad thing. For one, I think the U.S. should be trying to gain new allies, not pour salt on old wounds. Fidel isn't in control anymore, and the current government there seems to be genuine in wanting to ease it's own economic pressures.

There are of course still some human rights issues with Cuba. The U.S. should be working WITH them, rather than just demanding things from them, I think that's the best course to resolve the longstanding issues there. They've been isolated for so long, it's time for a different approach.

"People" look at Korea, North and South, and think how horrible it is to separate that country and families. Or the Berlin wall.

How long has it been since Cubans have been able to go home again? To visit family they haven't seen in decades?

We don't need to be a Berlin wall.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I didn't see any Cubans on the list of 9/11 terrorists.

I did see a lot of guys from Saudi Arabia though...

Yes, but Cuba didn't supply us with oil or prop up our petrodollar. Countries on the US terror list are not economically viable for us, therefore they remain on the list. It has nothing to do with true terrorism.

a reply to: Annee

I haven't seen one single GOOD rationale to continue to have sanctions on Cuba. The Cuban Missile crisis was half a century ago. Times have changed and we need to move on. The rest of the world already has.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

I dont want to sound heartless but that's a internal Cuban problem not a USA one and certainly not a EU problem.

Coups go on all the time in places like Africa, no one lifts a finger. And I honestly dont care about south America or the Caribbean internal issues unless they effect my country national security.

Castro was just a puppet used by the Soviets. When they fell Cuba was left with a relic system that was forced upon them in a cold war battle. Obama should be pressuring them to reform not rewarding them first. Now they will use any economic gain to tighten their grip on Cuba, not to help the people there at all. They will side with our enemies, as that government has always done.

Obama is the JV practice squad of foreign policy.

USA has gained reform in the most cases by working with people not against.

Ya, how has Pakistan worked out?

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

We backed non communists who wanted to take back their own country not invade it for ourselves,

Semantics

Thats this a USA backed invasion and attempted overthrow of a current government.


What right has the USA got to interfere with a SOVEREIGN country's internal politics?

You dont like Communism? Fine. I don't like communism.
But if another country wants to be communist? That aint my problem nor is it my business.

They (Cuba) didn't want to become communist, it was forced on them by a militant communist group that was backed by the Soviets. They became the strongest military force in Cuba and forced communism onto the Island nation. That is no different than us backing native Cuban non communists to try to reverse their country's misfortune. The Soviet backed commies did the same thing tenfold that you are complaining about the US attempting.

That is called hypocrisy.

I dont want to sound heartless but that's a internal Cuban problem not a USA one and certainly not a EU problem.

Coups go on all the time in places like Africa, no one lifts a finger. And I honestly dont care about south America or the Caribbean internal issues unless they effect my country national security.

Castro was just a puppet used by the Soviets. When they fell Cuba was left with a relic system that was forced upon them in a cold war battle. Obama should be pressuring them to reform not rewarding them first. Now they will use any economic gain to tighten their grip on Cuba, not to help the people there at all. They will side with our enemies, as that government has always done.

Obama is the JV practice squad of foreign policy.

USA has gained reform in the most cases by working with people not against.

Ya, how has Pakistan worked out?

A lot better than Iraq or Syria.