California: Nestlé’s Water Permit Expired 27 Years Ago

People don't need 20 different versions of chocolate bars, they should be taken out. Someone should get this cute furry lovable vivaciously angry creature to do it.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Do you blame nestle' for letting the permit expire, or the state inspectors that failed to do their job for 27 years?

I would blame both.
However, which of these is more responsible? I would say the state is the one most responsible, seeing as the citizens pay their taxes to enable their state to work in their best interests. If they haven't been working in the best interests of the people then the elected and their employees are ultimately the ones to take the blame.

While Nestle is clearly taking advantage, it's the state that has allowed that corporation to do so.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Do you blame nestle' for letting the permit expire, or the state inspectors that failed to do their job for 27 years?

Interesting to see who got paid off. In a 27 year period I'm assuming there were multiple inspectors on that job?

Wonder how much of that water used by nestle stays stateside and how much is exported.

The state is very much at fault, but nestle is rapidly climbing my list of companies I can't stand..

Sounds like they are using the same practices in California they have been using on the great Lakes.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
What California is ultimately going to have to do is increase water storage,plain and simple.

They had water storage, and then they used it all.
People are ignoring the water table here. Below ground there is a wealth of water which could be used to sustain comfortable life during any dry period, but in California there has been such a free for all on all water sources that this water table has dropped to a level which would require months of never ending rain fall for it to be restored.

This is what wells are for, to dig down to find the water table. They have been digging these wells lower and lower in various parts of the state, meaning that the water table has dropped lower and lower, and when it rains it's now going to be sinking into that sponge rather than running off to be used.

If you imagine flood conditions, it's the reverse of that. In a flood the water has nowhere to go - usually because the water table is already up to the maximum, and the excess water then runs off in floods or sits on the surface. When the water table has been entirely tapped and dropped to catastrophic levels, any rainfall is going to instantly sink to replenish what should be below ground anyway. As there is little there in most of the state (thanks to the wells) it's going to take years, if not decades, to bring that level back up to a sustainable point.

California is royally f-ed, and it's going to be royally f-ed for years to come. They needed to halt the majority of well use ten years ago and they didn't. They needed to stop companies from tapping into run-off and wells ten years ago, and they didn't.

If people in California think their government has a plan they are dramatically mistaken. This is a natural disaster, caused by the irresponsibility of their elected officials and their ignorance and greed. They have systematically abused the single most important resource for the state and seemingly done nothing to mitigate this coming disaster. To make it even more interesting, they are now attempting to blame the public for this by demanding people use less, when in reality the usage by the average citizen has absolutely no effect on the amount of water available.

They are placing all responsibility on the public for this, and refusing to even talk about anything that would blame their mismanagement.

Expired, no one knew? Yeah right. They were paid off by the bought and paid for politicians. Now people will have to suffer the consequences of this. It's pretty late now, finally showing it's damage, but they should overhaul the state's corporatocracy that controls all of it's facets.

Water is the new gold.

The past few decades have seen a large surge in purchases of water rights by powerful organizations, all over the world.

If you have water rights, watch them very carefully. This is something that goes far beyond Cali. Whether or not there is a drought is irrelevant when one has the power to create the scarcity.

a reply to: dreamingawake

Have you ever stopped to think that all the water on this planet has been here since it was formed and that the water you use today has been used by all the creatures of creation?

Trippy, isn't it.

I recently read Nestle (a French Corporation by the way) has a huge pumping station in the Great Lakes region which takes ungodly amounts of water for world distribution.

Also, Chinese cargo ships with onboard pumping systems while sailing the Great Lakes surreptitiously fill their holds with US and Canadian water at no cost for export to China.

Water is soon to be the major commodity in the world and there will be wars over nations keeping or getting their share.

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Sunwolf
What California is ultimately going to have to do is increase water storage,plain and simple.

They had water storage, and then they used it all.
People are ignoring the water table here. Below ground there is a wealth of water which could be used to sustain comfortable life during any dry period, but in California there has been such a free for all on all water sources that this water table has dropped to a level which would require months of never ending rain fall for it to be restored.

This is what wells are for, to dig down to find the water table. They have been digging these wells lower and lower in various parts of the state, meaning that the water table has dropped lower and lower, and when it rains it's now going to be sinking into that sponge rather than running off to be used.

If you imagine flood conditions, it's the reverse of that. In a flood the water has nowhere to go - usually because the water table is already up to the maximum, and the excess water then runs off in floods or sits on the surface. When the water table has been entirely tapped and dropped to catastrophic levels, any rainfall is going to instantly sink to replenish what should be below ground anyway. As there is little there in most of the state (thanks to the wells) it's going to take years, if not decades, to bring that level back up to a sustainable point.

California is royally f-ed, and it's going to be royally f-ed for years to come. They needed to halt the majority of well use ten years ago and they didn't. They needed to stop companies from tapping into run-off and wells ten years ago, and they didn't.

If people in California think their government has a plan they are dramatically mistaken. This is a natural disaster, caused by the irresponsibility of their elected officials and their ignorance and greed. They have systematically abused the single most important resource for the state and seemingly done nothing to mitigate this coming disaster. To make it even more interesting, they are now attempting to blame the public for this by demanding people use less, when in reality the usage by the average citizen has absolutely no effect on the amount of water available.

They are placing all responsibility on the public for this, and refusing to even talk about anything that would blame their mismanagement.

Not enough water storage to keep up with the population increase over decades.


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And wasn't it the CEO of nestle that has mentioned that Nestlé should be allowed to take over the national water supply so that they can keep it safe or some other BS reason. .....

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Wonder how much of that water used by nestle stays stateside and how much is exported.

The state is very much at fault, but nestle is rapidly climbing my list of companies I can't stand..

Sounds like they are using the same practices in California they have been using on the great Lakes.

Long ago I decided to stop buying any Nestle products. It ended up involving quite a shift actually because of how many brands they own. For example I had to stop eating Stouffer's microwave meals, and the bottled water I like to drink I had to switch to a far more expensive brand.

It would be nice if others would do the same. The real problem though is once you stop giving your money to any of the major companies because of how evil they are, there's literally nothing left to buy. You have to support someone ultimately.

Did the permit expire or did they no longer need it.

If they were taking surface water and drilled wells they would not need the permit.

I had a friend that owned a mine and they had to get a permit to discharge mill water and test the water discharge from the mill every month.

Well after a time they closed the mill.

11 years later the state fined them because they were not testing the water discharge that was NOT being discharged from the closed mill.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
Water is the new gold.

The past few decades have seen a large surge in purchases of water rights by powerful organizations, all over the world.

If you have water rights, watch them very carefully. This is something that goes far beyond Cali. Whether or not there is a drought is irrelevant when one has the power to create the scarcity.

Yeah and to think they've found endless underground water reserves up in the far north/the Arctic (i believe that is the general area). So much water there is more than we have in all the oceans we know of on the planet. I wonder who's going to be privvy to that stash, not us.


Fracking is depleting water supplies in America's driest areas, report shows From Texas to California, drilling for oil and gas is using billions of gallons of water in the country's most drought-prone areas

Wed.February 5th 2014 - www.theguardian.com...

America's oil and gas rush is depleting water supplies in the driest and most drought-prone areas of the country, from Texas to California, new research has found. Of the nearly 40,000 oil and gas wells drilled since 2011, three-quarters were located in areas where water is scarce, and 55% were in areas experiencing drought, the report by the Ceres investor network found. Fracking those wells used 97bn gallons of water, raising new concerns about unforeseen costs of America's energy rush. "Hydraulic fracturing is increasing competitive pressures for water in some of the country's most water-stressed and drought-ridden regions," said Mindy Lubber, president of the Ceres green investors' network.

a reply to: Ultralight


Nestle as a company doesn't sustain itself with the sale of water. If they're a good corporate partner, and with the severity of the state's drought, they should suspend all operations at this plant immediately. It ridiculous that they're shipping water out of state, while the residents can't even wash their cars or fill their pools when they want.

If they don't do it on their own, the state should force them.

I never buy nestle water, they put fluoride in it

Someone in the state of California needs to draft some sort of lawsuit against nestle and the people responsible for these types of ordeals...including them taking water back and replaced the lost water

If anyone could im sure they can afford a huge water filtration out of the ocean water

originally posted by: AntigravityField
I suspect that the bulk of the water that Nestle bottles is going to human or pet consumption. I have no problem with that during a drought. Nestle should just get up to date on their water permit, that's all.

Well maybe you don't have a problem with it, but most of us do. Nestle is selling that water internationally. That water is needed for California, and California only during this drought. Commonsense says the State's needs should take priority, After all, it's California water.

Same goes for all the crops that are grown to sell internationally, the citizens who pay the taxes here should have first rights, and only at the very least food for the USA grown here, not for China right now. This is catastrophic what is happening here. Course every other gas station is still running their high pressure car washers too, clueless.

They should also ban those small water bottles that pollute the Earth for a few gulps. Millions upon millions used in just one day and into the land fill or Oceans. I bet there are at least a million running toilets in California, well a running toilet can fill a 20,000 gallon swimming pool in a few days.

Just went to my favorite Mexican restaurant the other day, still giving you water without even you having to ask. Everyone was drinking margaritas and beer. When I left almost every table had 4 or 5 full glasses of water that nobody even drank. People out here just don't get it. Well, they will get it when their faucets and showers run dry.
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a reply to: FarleyWayne

And the state of Texas sold T-boone Pickens the water rights to pump out of the largest Aquifer in the U.S. for bottling. Too bad its not nearly all under Texas so I see a huge fight coming over that one. The Arrogant ass said when nobody else has water you will have to buy it from me. The interviewer was like, dude what gives you the right to buy something that is a vital right to survive for the American people? He did not give two craps, these are the kind of people who need to be purged from this country and the whole world for that matter. Like the guy needs more money, these insane people need to be dealt with harshly.

Not even Californians are this dumb, disregarding their Governor choices.

This whole running out of water thing is obviously planned....