Meet The Secretive Group That Runs The World

a reply to: dragonridr

I have no idea what you mean, zero hedge is a Russian propaganda machine??

what have I missed here...

a reply to: ZzurvanN

"The following is an excerpt from TOWER OF BASEL: The Shadowy History of the Secret Bank that Runs the World by Adam LeBor. Reprinted with permission from PublicAffairs."

So as long as it came from someone's book then it is the truth...good to know.

a reply to: keenasbro

I have no idea what you mean, zero hedge is a Russian propaganda machine??

I think he's telling you that the source is questionable at best, as they are anti west and show it in every article they post online...whether it is true or not.

a reply to: keenasbro

Ah, yes, there are. It is customary to provide the source link in the OP.

No one, least of all me, has asked you to "decide for them"...

The plethora of conspiracy theories on this website, some somewhat logical, some not, has made me more skeptical with regards to claims of conspiracy of any kind. Therefore I prefer to check out the sources before jumping in whole hog, since often the sources are questionable at best.

Interesting, the article says the main topic at the big meeting is the quality of the wine.

I could deal with that, since the ripple and colt 45 we drink in the hood would be an excellent conversation piece at that meeting!


These international swindlers are transparent.

They want austerity in the world and a return to virtual serfdom for the lower and middle classes so they can do what they want.

When they elect the next American flunky president they will initiate their new global austerity

It's a bad idea to jump to conclusions.
Zerohedge has only been speculated as a Russian propagandist site by a few due to it's tendency to show Russia as strong in comparison to the Ukraine. It's located in Switzerland and maintains it's own fairly anonymous approach to journalism. It rated 9 in the top 25 financial blogs by Time in 2011. content.time.com...

While it's known for it's conspiratorial edge(much like this site) and a fairly consistent prophet of doom for the economy, there's no formal consensus or proof that it is a Russian propaganda site. It's actually rather popular for Wall St. sorts to use for information.

For me, I'd rather be able to discern myself what is, or is not propagandist in nature rather than going on the "Don't trust this site!!" warcry we see more and more frequently. Also, it's not like the U.S. doesn't have it's own agenda of propaganda it wants you to slurp up. And the topic of this posting is clearly far from propagandist.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: keenasbro


The plethora of conspiracy theories on this website, some somewhat logical, some not, has made me more skeptical with regards to claims of conspiracy of any kind. Therefore I prefer to check out the sources before jumping in whole hog, since often the sources are questionable at best.

I lament the very same thing. You nailed it!

I find Zerohedge to be an excellent and informative site, but obviously judge for yourself. My point was that this article is an excerpt from a book, and not written be anyone at Zerohedge. I also quoted from the book by Quigley, who is the historian for the CFR, and highly respected. That the BIS exists and what its role is is not in question. This is not a conspiracy theory.

Every Sunday at 7 pm? Then they'll miss the Simpsons.

originally posted by: gottaknow
It's a bad idea to jump to conclusions.
Zerohedge has only been speculated as a Russian propagandist site by a few due to it's tendency to show Russia as strong in comparison to the Ukraine. It's located in Switzerland and maintains it's own fairly anonymous approach to journalism. It rated 9 in the top 25 financial blogs by Time in 2011. content.time.com...

While it's known for it's conspiratorial edge(much like this site) and a fairly consistent prophet of doom for the economy, there's no formal consensus or proof that it is a Russian propaganda site. It's actually rather popular for Wall St. sorts to use for information.

For me, I'd rather be able to discern myself what is, or is not propagandist in nature rather than going on the "Don't trust this site!!" warcry we see more and more frequently. Also, it's not like the U.S. doesn't have it's own agenda of propaganda it wants you to slurp up. And the topic of this posting is clearly far from propagandist.

The person behind the mask is Daniel Ivandjiiski. Where you aware his dad runs a Russian newspaper and is anti western conspiracy site??? here it is strogosekretno.com... But that aside for a minute he was banned for insider trading. He is what you would call an austrian economist. This means his natural reaction is to attack banks and lending. Also hes correctly predicted 2 recessions out of 200 hes predicted.Not bad i guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Almost weekly predicts the crash of the US Canadian the Euro straight from RT headlines. But more importantly If your in Russia and need to get the word out who better than than bribe an out of work stockbroker. With the ties to the Russian government his father has doesnt really take a stretch of the imagination to see where hes getting paid from.

a reply to: dragonridr

From Wikipedia:

Zero Hedge was founded in January 2009.[3] Posts are signed "Tyler Durden", a character in the Chuck Palahniuk book and movie Fight Club,[4] reflecting the news site's activist posture.[3] Despite speculation that "Tyler Durden" is a pseudonym of Daniel Ivandjiiski,[4][5] who was penalized for insider trading in New York in September 2008, Ivandjiiski denies being a founder of Zero Hedge. Rather, he says he is one of several writers contributing to the site under the pseudonym.[6] In an interview, Durden said there were four editors at Zero Hedge[3] but another editor said there were up to 40.[note 1][4] Durden claims editors have experience in various areas of finance and operations.[3]

The online newspaper publishes anonymously to protect the editors from retaliation for dissident speech. Durden maintains that this also safeguards integrity, objectivity, and independence. Durden cites McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, which upheld anonymity as a First Amendment right of free speech.[3]

a reply to: dragonridr

Yes, I'm familiar with all you wrote there and the sources you got them from. That doesn't mean he's not worth reading though. Even though he was busted for insider trading, he's still a sharp financial ex-broker who has some good information.

Also, he's not the only writer on the staff for that site. There's no way to know if Daniel wrote the BIS piece or not and I'd be inclined to say he didn't since it doesn't pertain to stocks directly.

Personally, I don't care if he gets information from Russia. We know how messed up the news is in the U.S. and getting information from other countries is a good thing and not all of it is going to be propaganda. You just have to decipher from there whether or not it's accurate.

Of course the politics of Zerohedge are merely a red herring in this discussion as the book excerpt wasn't written by Zerohedge authors and nothing in it is in factual dispute. Is it?

a reply to: gottaknow

For God's sake people, if anyone could read the source article, it says this at the top:

"The following is an excerpt from TOWER OF BASEL: The Shadowy History of the Secret Bank that Runs the World by Adam LeBor. Reprinted with permission from PublicAffairs."

a reply to: ZzurvanN

That's fine. But, someone still contributed the article on Zerohedge. I'm just trying to show that reading articles from Zerohedge does not mean you're falling prey to Russian Propaganda.

The real question is whether the BIS is but a bunch of technocrats or a conspiratorial group of programmed and sinister power hungry elitists who are actually managing the power and privileges of the few over the many for the maintenance of their complete power.

Regarding the article, the fact is Zerohedge doesn’t have a clue what these people do and the article only mentions secretiveness NOT conspiracy

Here's the link to the original article ZH:

www.zerohedge.com...

a reply to: gottaknow

Agreed. I mean Russian propaganda telling us what, exactly? WW3 is a bad idea?

originally posted by: gottaknow
a reply to: ZzurvanN

That's fine. But, someone still contributed the article on Zerohedge. I'm just trying to show that reading articles from Zerohedge does not mean you're falling prey to Russian Propaganda.

Than ask yourself one question why is zero hedge putting out an article about a book published 2 years ago?? Next question why now?? Than think about what you said.

a reply to: dragonridr

Well the BIS has been operational since 1929. I quoted from Tragedy and Hope, written in 1969. The issue of central banking is still an issue. ZH is critical of central banking. Why now? Russian propaganda? I mean you tell me why now. Explain how this ties in with "Russian propaganda" please. I suppose Ron Paul is a Russian propagandist too? Or Thomas Jefferson. Because of their stance against central banking? Please explain yourself.