GMO Food

So this is something that is normally discussed in the science threads, but really is most relevant in the food and cooking thread. Above Top Secret's slogan has always been, "Deny Ignorance." And when it comes to GMO foods, it's utterly painful to sit back and watch people say things like, "GMOs are bad", "I'll buy this, it says non-GMO", etcetera. It's also equally painful to see people attack the corporation Monsanto for being a GMO research-based company.

So as someone with no affiliation with the company, or any companies involved, and purely just someone that tries to live by ATS's slogan, I have to say that the attacks and ignorance really need to end. I have friends that have gone on from college to prestigious schools for research positions in various different fields of science (and my job, although environmental-based and I don't publish anything, is 90% research-based in science). The one thing they all hate more than anything is when their hard work is discredited by a guy with a journalism degree from Devry that makes outlandish claims negating their findings.

In short, it's absolutely downright disrespectful and disgusting to discredit the science of genetic modification. Morality/religious issues aside, genetic modification is one of the most profound and important scientific discoveries in history.

With that being said, I could post hundreds of articles on here about GMOs. But a simple Google Scholar search is all you need to do to find a plethora of articles supporting ZERO evidence of negative effects of GMOs, and absolutely not a single article claiming that GMOs are bad.

That's fine I'll make sure if I get any GMO foods I'll pass em along to you... see the sad part is that you might actually believe the entire book you wrote defending Your belief in science and food it has nothing to do with religion it has to do with modifying something that doesn't need it.

I challenge you to provide evidence non government or non Google sponsored information and sway me to believe that your GMOS are a viable solution..

a reply to: Schmidt1989

I'm pretty middle-of-the-road when it comes to GMO science. I support it in general but I don't agree with how we are implementing it. Monsanto isn't evil because they use GMO products; they are evil because of their business and political practices. Not to mention that most of their uses are to overcome problems they created in the first place. They aren't some humanitarian corporation out to save our planet.

I think GMO science will be a great boon to humanity once it's out of under the Monsanto monopoly umbrella.

a reply to: Schmidt1989

As a professional chef, baker and a resident of earth, NO. I know my food AND ingredients!

You are wrong in so many ways that it would take too many threads to inform you. But somehow, I think you already know....?

Here's a very simple choice:

1. Natural foods from our Mother Earth.

2, Frankencrap from corporations.

You choose.

Damn, I am pissed that this is still even an issue. SNIP
JUDE!!

CHEF?? REALLY?? do you cook while on ats?? I have not seen one independent study benefitting the GMO argument.. reply to: jude11

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Schmidt1989

I think GMO science will be a great boon to humanity once it's out of under the Monsanto monopoly umbrella.

I don't have time to inform but please do your research before commenting.

OMFG! There are still people that don't get it?

JUD11

a reply to: Schmidt1989

"I'll buy this, it says non-GMO", etcetera."

Why is it so utterly painful that people choose to eat certain things?

Yeah, I WILL buy that etc. Because as a vegetarian(am sure that's utterly painful to most people too) I eat soy products. Around 80%(to 90%) or so of soy has GMO. Many of it is contained in vegan and vegetarian products not just commercial brand soy substitutes in food.

Also, people that are "critical" of GMOs really don't have as much of a problem with that it's genetically modified-such some do- but rather that it's genetically spliced with pesticide.

Monsanto, has a past-such as Dioxin and Agent Orange, DDT and PCBs,etc-, even the present, that people are not trustworthy of.


Can you share where they are safe with non biased peer viewed research?

originally posted by: ATF1886
CHEF?? REALLY?? do you cook while on ats?? I have not seen one independent study benefitting the GMO argument.. reply to: jude11

Benefiting GMO?

There are none amongst intelligent people.

JUDE11

Truly so sir truly so sorry for the misspellings all I have seen is non biased reviews stating that in no way has it been beneficial. . reply to: jude11

i agree with op. i think its sad that people mostly oppose GMO food simply because they dont understand it.
if you get your info from people who use buzzwords like frankenfood its likely you never will.

originally posted by: ATF1886
CHEF?? REALLY?? do you cook while on ats?? I have not seen one independent study benefitting the GMO argument.. reply to: jude11

And yes, CHEF AND BAKER.

EDIT: To change my demeanor for someone who didn't deserve my anger.

Jude11

It is the reason they are GMOing the food that is the problem. It is being done by Monsanto so they can use more roundup. There is a lot of evidence showing that high amounts of Roundup can leave too much residue in the product. So if you want to eat their crap, have at it.

I'm going to avoid soy as much as possible, Soy is not that good for us anyway. They are putting it in so many things these days, the fact that they are pushing it as good for you makes me think it is being used to take away our energy. Soy is a goitrogen. If you like being doped up, have at it.

As for corn, I'm not that concerned. I don't eat corn that often. I don't eat cornflakes anymore though, I'll stick to other cereals. I also know about the lack of broadform testing on this stuff. They do not test for anything other than certain known problems because they are not required to. This means that no testing for any long term side effects is done. This information can be verified by looking at the FDA site if you are interested.

I also think Monsanto is creating a market which does not need to be created, making people believe their product is necessary when it is not. The overspray from their roundup product being sprayed can effect some crops in others fields too, killing or reducing yield for neighboring farmers. They are a pushy company.

Believe what you want OP. I actually looked up the limits on their research and found lots of problems with the regulations, regulations that people in their employ helped to create.

originally posted by: ATF1886
Truly so sir truly so sorry for the misspellings all I have seen is non biased reviews stating that in no way has it been beneficial. . reply to: jude11

Spellings aren't important as I get your message.

One thread that I'm proud of:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And no mention of GMO.

JUDE11

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Schmidt1989

I think GMO science will be a great boon to humanity once it's out of under the Monsanto monopoly umbrella.

I don't have time to inform but please do your research before commenting.

OMFG! There are still people that don't get it?

JUD11

Do you cook with broccoli? How about kale? Do you like dogs? All of those things are GMO. Even when those things are "organic", they are GMO.

I've done a lot of research on it and that's exactly why I went from your standpoint to the one I have now which is an understanding of what GMO can and can't do. To make a blanket statement that "All GMO is bad" isn't helpful nor is it true. Just like any science, it can be monopolized for a profit at our expense but it can also be used for our benefit if applied correctly.

Believe me, a couple of years ago, I was saying the same things you are saying today (only I was more polite about it).

originally posted by: Rikku
i agree with op. i think its sad that people mostly oppose GMO food simply because they dont understand it.
if you get your info from people who use buzzwords like frankenfood its likely you never will.

and if your buzzwords are "Great for humanity" "less land mass" Larger yields" etc, you are correct.

But what about "Conglomerate" "Govt. control" "Non transparency" "No labeling" and on and on and on...

safe? show it!

Enough BUZZ words?

JUDE11

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Schmidt1989

I think GMO science will be a great boon to humanity once it's out of under the Monsanto monopoly umbrella.

I don't have time to inform but please do your research before commenting.

OMFG! There are still people that don't get it?

JUD11

Do you cook with broccoli? How about kale? Do you like dogs? All of those things are GMO. Even when those things are "organic", they are GMO.

I've done a lot of research on it and that's exactly why I went from your standpoint to the one I have now which is an understanding of what GMO can and can't do. To make a blanket statement that "All GMO is bad" isn't helpful nor is it true. Just like any science, it can be monopolized for a profit at our expense but it can also be used for our benefit if applied correctly.

Believe me, a couple of years ago, I was saying the same things you are saying today (only I was more polite about it).

I am trying to be positive here these days so I'll just say...I feel sorry for you and anyone you might convince on the GMO front.

But then again, you might know exactly what you are pushing while choosing to ignore the facts of GMO. In that case I can't offer anything in the way of a discussion.

Thanks anyways...

JUDE11

a reply to: jude11
were talking about GMO , i guess youre referring to something about monsanto you read on the internet.

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: Schmidt1989

I think GMO science will be a great boon to humanity once it's out of under the Monsanto monopoly umbrella.

I don't have time to inform but please do your research before commenting.

OMFG! There are still people that don't get it?

JUD11

Do you cook with broccoli? How about kale? Do you like dogs? All of those things are GMO. Even when those things are "organic", they are GMO.

I've done a lot of research on it and that's exactly why I went from your standpoint to the one I have now which is an understanding of what GMO can and can't do. To make a blanket statement that "All GMO is bad" isn't helpful nor is it true. Just like any science, it can be monopolized for a profit at our expense but it can also be used for our benefit if applied correctly.

Believe me, a couple of years ago, I was saying the same things you are saying today (only I was more polite about it).

I am trying to be positive here these days so I'll just say...I feel sorry for you and anyone you might convince on the GMO front.

But then again, you might know exactly what you are pushing while choosing to ignore the facts of GMO. In that case I can't offer anything in the way of a discussion.

Thanks anyways...

JUDE11

You are an incredibly black and white thinker. My family has even went to an anti-Monsanto rally yet... we aren't anti-GMO. That's like being "anti-nuclear". It doesn't make sense. You can hate the bombs but still appreciate fission.

You assume that because a person is looking at the whole picture, they are against you. I voted to label GMO products and I'll vote against Monsanto's interests every chance I get. But I also support increased research into the science behind it.

You really can't see the difference? Your battle will never be won if you don't know who the enemy is. I assure you, it's not "science" you should be fighting. Your battle is with those who abuse it.

originally posted by: jude11
a reply to: Schmidt1989

As a professional chef, baker and a resident of earth, NO. I know my food AND ingredients!

You are wrong in so many ways that it would take too many threads to inform you. But somehow, I think you already know....?

Here's a very simple choice:

1. Natural foods from our Mother Earth.

2, Frankencrap from corporations.

You choose.

Damn, I am pissed that this is still even an issue.SNIP

JUDE!!

Although I didn't expect this many replies to this post, yours was my favorite. How could you call yourself a chef with the ignorance that you've just shown? Have you ever cooked or eaten organic corn? It's a GMO. Eaten an organic apple? It's a GMO. I think it was Neil DeGrasse Tyson that said it best, and i'll paraphrase here: "If you wan't a true non-gmo apple, go eat a tiny crab apple. It's the only one."

Also, Google Scholar is a database, not some AngelFire website. Stop assuming that people that conflict with your ideas are being paid by someone. That's what poor, uneducated people do.

a reply to: Schmidt1989

I am trying to avoid highly-processed foods these days, for many many reasons. The fact that I can't read the label and tell whether the product was made with Roundup-ready staple crops is one big reason.

I have no problem eating GMO. I have a problem with not being able to track how much pesticide residue I (and my family) ingest.

The questions I would like transparent answers to are:
Is the staple Roundup-ready?
How many times, and at what growth stages, was Roundup applied to the crops?
Was Roundup applied as a crop desiccant prior to harvest?
How much Roundup was used per acre with each application?

Yes, I realize food manufacturers get crops from multiple sources. Yes, I realize it is an administrative burden to keep track of these things. I am willing to pay the premium to know I am not ingesting pesticide at cumulative levels.

Therefore, it is rare I buy a packaged or canned pasta these days. It is rare that I eat "mainstream" nacho chips, tortillas and packaged bread mixes. I do check labels to make sure most of what I buy doesn't require soy emulsifiers and seasonings.

Do I think eating these things will kill me? No. Not at all. But I have a more stringent definition of "Safe" these days. I don't want to wind up with inflamed guts and old before my time.

My body, my choice, right?