Let's Talk About Prostitution

a reply to: STTesc

welcome to democracy and democratic culture
which allow the majority [or those with the money to fake a majority]
to dictate morality.

a reply to: STTesc

It blows my mind that we're to sit here, in 2015, and continue to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Because some people don't know what to do with their own bodies.

This is the same argument as gay marriage to me. When you have two consenting adults then leave them alone it is there business. There is no victim so there is no crime.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: STTesc

It blows my mind that we're to sit here, in 2015, and continue to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Because some people don't know what to do with their own bodies.

And who decides this?

originally posted by: BestinShow
a reply to: STTesc

So my question is, why is the act of consenting adults any of the Government's business?

It isn't...it's the States's business and only 2, I think, Nevada and Rhode Island have come to their senses.

Bashing on America has become the Norm...unfortunately those that partake are usually soft on Facts. Your OP is a great example.

Maybe next time, huh..?

So the States don't have any form of government????????

In many parts of the world they claim it is illegal and tend to hassle the street walkers.. Yet any hotel bar or just a street bar there are working girls that sometimes out number the customers. The cops come buy evry few weeks and get some Tea money to provide protection (or don't hassle) and look the other way.. So called third world countries seem to have the best thriving business of that sort and there are even countries that if it were not for the girls you have to wonder why all the tourist guys would visit. Societies all over the world are two faced on many things and this is just one of them..

Guys are going to pay one way or the other just ask someone who has gotten a divorce in some of our states if not all..

Awww... I was hoping for contact info, recommendations, and of course, pics (or it won't happen...heh).

But even with pimps, human trafficking, addiction slaves and disease, what any adult does to their (or someone else's) body, and/or mind with full permission by all involved is not society's business (although it has become a major source of government funding through fines... and thus government's literal business!).

People can preach morals, educate and walk the walk all day long to fight "vice" and to provide examples of good, clean living... just leave the law out of it. Relaying on police to enforce your personal philosophy is weak.

Vice laws pertaining to sex and drugs are archaic and cruel... the solutions are not draconian punishment, but education and opportunity.

I'm very, very tired of fascistic memes programming folks...

I like the comparison to prohibition. It's an attitude a hundred years old that has no place in today's society. We're dealing with the same here in Canada. There was legislation to make thing safer for pro's and the gov't shot it down. They have no concern for sex workers. You're right. Let them ply their trade in brothels where it's safer.

a reply to: STTesc

Government is always hijacked to control the population at the behest
of the ultra rich, not the comfortably wealthy who just go about
having a nice house and family, I mean the ridiculously rich.

Orwell wrote Animal farm as an allegory to show that the control freak
insane whack jobs who have OCD to control the planet see us as their
flock to use "herd managment" techniques on.

They think it would easier to manage a smaller herd so they make
sure and stir things up in hopes of reducing the population.

Here lately they are obsessed with over population.

Part of that is because a few paradigm shifts are about to happen
such as longer lifespans, 3d printing, robots, etc etc....

All of which will make things like jobs much reduced.

So the control freaks always want to control everything,
and when you make something illegal you can make more
money off it and why ultimately prohibition was lifted
because they saw it made the mob richer.

In the case of prostitution they see it as a way for the
poor to prosper and they hate that above all things.

For the money grubbers its about controlling wealth.

For some its a religious issue, but like you say it is really
none of their business what two consenting people do
in the privacy of their home, etc etc...

Freedom is an illusion, as Bill Hicks said...

"You are free to do what we tell you"...

Bill Hicks "You are free to do what we tell you"

I'd like to see prostitution legalised, accepted and sanitised. There are many people who can't find consenting sex with another person for many different reasons and it's a shame for them that access to services can't be made safer and easier.

I do wonder, though, if women couldn't be co-erced into prostitution, as I believe some are, how many would want to do it? Has someone, somewhere calculated that if you took 'persuasion' out of the equation that there wouldn't be enough to go round?

Taxing prostitution seems like a good idea - make a lot of money for the country - yippee. BUT, is it possible that the very people who are in a position to legalise it and tax it are actually running it and profiting from it, personally? Rather, like I suspect some are doing with drugs.

Another thing that occurs to me is that some people in high places would just prefer it to be as seedy as possible. They maybe couldn't enjoy it if the environment was clean and safe and the woman wasn't downtrodden and not very willing.

I've referred to 'women' throughout my post because it's easier. I'll point out here that I see no reason that men can't be prostitutes too. Either for each other or for lonely women who would be grateful for some male attention. And, of course some women might prefer a female to service their needs.

I think that, as a society, we might all be happier if prostitution became acceptable. All those men who boast of 'never having to pay for it' might be persuaded to visit a willing hooker instead of trying their luck with a 'civilian' female they'd spent the night plying with drink, hoping to get their end away for the price of a few beers. How lovely for everyone to enjoy a solo lie-in on a Sunday morning without dreading to look across the pillows to see who or what they'd just misguidedly spent the night with

One just needs to look at the Dutch to see how this all plays out. The dutch are a rather conservative bunch of people still, and very happy, even with prostitution and pot.

Some pertinent questions for anyone who thinks prostitution should be legal:

1. How do you think most prostitutes end up in that profession?
2. Do you think prostitutes have high self esteem?
3. Do you think prostitutes find happiness and satisfaction in their 'work' ?
4. Would you want to be a prostitute?
5. And lastly, would you want your daughter, mother, or sister to be a prostitute? Why or why not?

Sal

a reply to: STTesc

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: Logarock
a reply to: Cuervo


Prostitution is really a bit more complicated than folks like to consider. Even in cultures that don't have a bible in every hotel room its not like they are going to vote one mother of the year or anything. Its extra marital in any culture and is really only romanticized in cultures that have strong male domination sort of thing going on.

But what are we really talking about here? Working girls putting out a shingle or something?

You're just telling me why some people wouldn't like it. But why is it illegal. I think alcohol contributes far more to adultery than prostitution ever could but that's totally legal.

The people I know who have hired prostitutes were single or on business trips (may or may have not been single). I used to drive for escorts and, while they aren't technically prostitutes, I'm sure that hiring one constitutes as "extra-marital". Most of those guys were just lonely and socially awkward. Some have anxiety issues and can't handle dating. There are a number of scenarios that make prostitution somewhat therapeutic for many people.

Well for the most part its already really de facto by lack of enforcement and really only draws attention of the law when it operates out of the down low.

Is it a legislation on morality.....probably. Does it present a cultural and social conundrum? Yea. Does it cause problems....yea.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: STTesc

It blows my mind that we're to sit here, in 2015, and continue to tell people what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

Because some people don't know what to do with their own bodies.

Perfect example of the control freak mindset.

They think they should be able to tell people
on another continent how to live their lives.

I get the idea of not wanting to pay for peoples
mistakes, I agree with that.

But as long as people stay out of my wallet
and bank account, they can go have all the fun
they want to.

The OCD control freak who thinks they have the
right to tell other people how to live their lives
is mentally ill.

originally posted by: SallieSunshine
Some pertinent questions for anyone who thinks prostitution should be legal:

1. How do you think most prostitutes end up in that profession?
2. Do you think prostitutes have high self esteem?
3. Do you think prostitutes find happiness and satisfaction in their 'work' ?
4. Would you want to be a prostitute?
5. And lastly, would you want your daughter, mother, or sister to be a prostitute? Why or why not?

Sal

a reply to: STTesc

Quite frankly I think the same could be said for accountancy.

From what I found out so far the reason it is illegal goes way back to sometime in the 19th century when Prostitution and Brothels were still around and functioning quite well. Apparently over time these establishments became mixed in with other organized crime and things of that nature. However, they reason they started actually passing laws and making it illegal was to stop what they considered to be "slavery" which became part of these Brothels as well.

Organized Crime was apparently bringing in women against their will to work at some of these places and it was getting out of hand not to mention the abuse to the women and who knows what else being that they were then tied in quite well with Organized Crime in all kinds of ways.

That seems to be the original justification for it anyway. There does seem to be other aspects to it and more reasons such as Moral reasons from the Religious and stuff like that which came later on but it seems originally it was to stop "slavery" of women.

originally posted by: 727Sky


Guys are going to pay one way or the other just ask someone who has gotten a divorce in some of our states if not all..

Hard core feminist/Marxists already consider marriage to be legalized prostitution and married women chattel. They had a course on it down at the university. Go figure.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: SallieSunshine
Some pertinent questions for anyone who thinks prostitution should be legal:

1. How do you think most prostitutes end up in that profession?
2. Do you think prostitutes have high self esteem?
3. Do you think prostitutes find happiness and satisfaction in their 'work' ?
4. Would you want to be a prostitute?
5. And lastly, would you want your daughter, mother, or sister to be a prostitute? Why or why not?

Sal

a reply to: STTesc

Quite frankly I think the same could be said for accountancy.

I was thinking burger flipper at McDonalds!

originally posted by: SallieSunshine
Some pertinent questions for anyone who thinks prostitution should be legal:

1. How do you think most prostitutes end up in that profession?
2. Do you think prostitutes have high self esteem?
3. Do you think prostitutes find happiness and satisfaction in their 'work' ?
4. Would you want to be a prostitute?
5. And lastly, would you want your daughter, mother, or sister to be a prostitute? Why or why not?

Sal

a reply to: STTesc

The answers to all of those questions would be negative because it's illegal. The answers would be far different if it were a legal profession.

And, again... what does any of that have to do with a person's right to do that? Replace "prostitute" with "janitor" and the answers would be similar. It has nothing to do with whether or not it should be legal.

The way I see it personally, we are all whores in one way or another. The only difference is our asking price.

Some people sell themselves for Dinner and a Movie. Some sell themselves for a few drinks and a few laughs. Some only do it for cash. Some even do it for free.