Then Jesus says: «My wife» & «I dwell with her»

a reply to: windword

Remember how as a small boy he was in the synagogue debating with the doctor's of the law and they were astounded as even then he knew more about it than they, Mary and Joseph were searching for him but what did he say,

From this page of collected passages related to this.
www.jesuswalk.com...

Luke 2:39-52

[39] When Joseph and Mary had done everything required by the Law of the Lord, they returned to Galilee to their own town of Nazareth. [40] And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.

[41] Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. [42] When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. [43] After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. [44] Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. [45] When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. [46] After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. [47] Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. [48] When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you."

[49] "Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" [50] But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

[51] Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. [52] And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

I think this answers it.

a reply to: soaringhawk

He came to do the will of the Father and that didn't include marriage. Jesus wasn't some 'good guy teaching 'do to others as you'd have them do unto you." Jesus is clear who He is and why He came. Liars who pervert the scriptures will not inherit eternal life.

Sez who?

Jesus was above all else a 'law following Jew'. Jews cannot take their place in the community as full member until they have married and produced children. What exactly do you think he was doing between the ages of 13 and 33?

At who's wedding did his mother chide him that he wasn't being a good host because the wine was running out?

a reply to: atslagsifnotmember

Was not the church his Bride? Wouldnt that make him married? Not nice to call people names weather you christian or not!

What 'church' would that be exactly?

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

If it is in coptic it means that it was probably gnostic,

or in other words heresy, created by the near ancient Gentile.

You Have to put it in historical perspective - the tension between the Jews and Gentiles at this time was an all out struggle for around 70 years and a vicious defeat.

That doesn't mean that Jesus was not a king or did not have a wife - there is a possibility but I need more evidence for Jesus having a council of 12 and being in the community - because I do not know Jesus's stand point to the Jewish community that created Christianity, the community was an Essene community and Jesus is supposed to be the teacher and high priest.

We found the most important discoveries ever, but they have confused scholars beyond comprehension.

The lost gospels (gnostic)

The dead seas scrolls (Jewish).

Scholars are still very much debating over the relationship between the first Christians and the gnostic Christians.

If you have read the full New Testament, if you have read the full books and volumes of the ancient historians, if you have read all of the lost gnostic gospels, and if you have read all of the dead sea scrolls - you may be, and I repeat "may be" able to figure out what went on with the start to Christianity. I have read all four of those.

The gnostic lost gospels - the ones written in coptic, nobody understands these because they have not studied enough, but those gentiles were blasphemous.

This started over the finding of the gospel of Mary and the gospel of Phillip. Phillip refers to Mary as being the disciple whom Jesus loved.

(I am actually going to write a thread on this)

What about the gospel of John? John makes clear the 'disciple whom Jesus loved' was a man and not Mary. The gnostic writers were liars.

Let me share another unknown thing that scholars today are raging about:

The Zealots were a break away group from the Pharisees. Jesus was not a Pharisee... Scholars want Jesus to be a zealot so they can sell more books. We know Jesus wasn't a Sadducee, that means he was in where he fits, the Essenes.

a reply to: greyer

I thought it was common knowledge that was an essene he still followed Jewish law essenes were the purest sect when it came to Judaism

a reply to: christophoros

I didn't know it may be common knowledge here, but in the press (mainstream) many many people would argue that Jesus, James, Peter, and John were the leaders of the Essene community, in fact the dead sea scrolls were covered up on those reasons, reference this book,
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The NT downplays James as the leader of the church, and historically many also may have. I have observed that the Romans have actually written in history correlations to clever scheming, meaning that they wrote a reference to an individual of the same name distracting your attention away from that person, so you will think that person is the one who is referenced. It is very very clever.

We had very few people come out and tell us the real correlations that are written in the dead sea scrolls, and also the forgers being caught with bible scribes who thought it was justified to add in their version of history from the Gentile point of view.

One of the examples that makes me angry is how they changed one letter to make the potato cakes that John the Dunker had as food into the word 'locusts' so everybody thinks that he ate locusts because of the liars.

a reply to: christophoros

Tell me why you think it is justified to choose darkness over bearing good fruit of light?

Why do you choose the side of all bad things, negativity and dislike, over all of the good things, happiness, peace and love?

I have a hunch that you will not tell me...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

This is not "new" info. It's that argument that started over 2 years ago, about the fragment....
but no matter - a review for the new and newly interested:

It seems obvious to many that he was married. To others it seems utterly absurd and blasphemous, heretical "lies."

In the end: Who really cares?
Did he teach what he taught, or didn't he? I don't see much arguing about his actual sayings (except that a bunch of them were left out, a la Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls) - just about whether he was God, whether or not he resurrected or survived, and whether or not he existed at all.

The lesson is still the same: Treat Others the way YOU Want to be Treated.

Then again - this DOES bring up a bit of a schmidt-storm, doesn't it? LOL!!!!

And the Apocalyptic Born-Again types (or - is it Apoplectic?....Apostolic? ..... I can never remember.......) are reeling.

As a Christian, it bothers me not whether Christ was married or not. What matters is the message He had for us and whether we chose to listen to that message. CNN had a marathon this past Friday or Saturday I think it was, I got to watch called Finding Jesus, I think it was called, and part of the marathon was these Mary Magdalene scriptures that have been found, as well as the cross of Christ that Emperor Constantine's mother Helena found and broke up and sent to different parts of the world. All sorts of episodes. I don't have cable so I got to watch it in the hotel room I rented when I visited my daughter. Thank you for this article, because it allowed me to find the book by this professor that I've added to my wish list.

a reply to: Anyafaj

I'm glad to hear that. It really doesn't matter whether he was married or not, in my opinion.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Anyafaj

I'm glad to hear that. It really doesn't matter whether he was married or not, in my opinion.

Myself either. To myself, it matters the man He was whilst He was with us. And what He did for us. Another one of the episodes was the Shroud of Turin. I think for me, that was the most powerful episode. They showed talked about experiments a university did to determine if the Shroud was more correct, that Christ was nailed through the wrists, or through the hands. The Shroud showed through the wrists, but people and text talked about the hands. Experiments showed the wrists were more correct, the Shroud even had the dried blood from the piercing in the side. It was profound to watch, to say the least. Whether the Shroud is real or not, the showing and the answers were enough to convince me. I'm a believer.

a reply to: Anyafaj

t was profound to watch, to say the least. Whether the Shroud is real or not, the showing and the answers were enough to convince me. I'm a believer.

Okay, that's fine.

Now, do your due diligence, and fact-check all of the information that is available.

Then, please come back and tell us how you feel... AFTER you have looked into all of it, as a scholar.

Deal?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Anyafaj

t was profound to watch, to say the least. Whether the Shroud is real or not, the showing and the answers were enough to convince me. I'm a believer.

Okay, that's fine.

Now, do your due diligence, and fact-check all of the information that is available.

Then, please come back and tell us how you feel... AFTER you have looked into all of it, as a scholar.

Deal?

Most definitely. I'd become a sponge, if you will. I have a ton of religious books on my wish list I'd love to buy. I've been getting a few, one at a time. One thing I love about Kindles, it can literally carry thousands of books in one tiny device, and you can swap devices, so if you can't bring your Kindle with you, you can pick up where you left off on your phone, then finish on your computer, etc.... I love it! I have over 900 things on my wish list, of those maybe 600 are books.

I am speaking from a One God, Jesus" name point of view. To most it would an horrible mistake for Jesus to have had a physical relationship with a woman or man for that matter. Our most sacred position is that Jesus is Fully God and Fully man. If Jesus in His humanity decided to have intimacy and intercourse with a woman, as a church, who are we to condemn?

It seems to me that everyone seems to dance around the subject. Everyone has gone to Bible College and seems to know all the theology behind it all.
Jesus was fully God, yet fully Man. As a man Jesus could say, "I thirst." Yet as God He could say I am the living water. As a man Jesus could say, "I hunger." But in the next breathe He could say, 'I am the bread of life."
Yes Jesus was God incarnate upon this world as our savior. But least we forget he was fully man. Who's to say He did not tke a wife and had children? Would that change your faith?

originally posted by: soaringhawk
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Liars who pervert the scriptures will not inherit eternal life.

Ah, the fear thingy again. Nice! It always makes me tremble in my boots and clearly shows the way of how (not) to end any argument.

Jesus/Yeshua perhaps was a real man, and perhaps had a real wife and real children who spoke with knowlege beyond his years creating a group of people who wished to worship him (funny how worship sounds like warship isn't it) Anyways, a group of mentally inept greedy men from the four corners of the earth decided to create a World wide religion, they called it Catholicism(the guys from Nicea aka the council of Nicea which was located in Turkey).

Perhaps they used this aware man for profit and for other evil purposes to further the agenda they already had planned out but needed a scape goat.
(The word "Catholic" is derived from a Greek word, Katholikos, originally meaning universal.) Thus we can see why they remain the most powerful and influential religion in the world. In front of and behind the scenes.

So.. upon creating this new religion, this powerful group decided what was real and what was not, what to put in the good book and what to toss out. And our world is reflects this. I won't get into the other religions the catholic church has created maybe another time.

a reply to: greyer

R yu talking about me specifically or in general I would never choose darkness over light but some will to create balance

originally posted by: lpnjeff
It seems to me that everyone seems to dance around the subject. Everyone has gone to Bible College and seems to know all the theology behind it all.
Jesus was fully God, yet fully Man. As a man Jesus could say, "I thirst." Yet as God He could say I am the living water. As a man Jesus could say, "I hunger." But in the next breathe He could say, 'I am the bread of life."
Yes Jesus was God incarnate upon this world as our savior. But least we forget he was fully man. Who's to say He did not tke a wife and had children? Would that change your faith?

To my mind, not in the least. I know the Bible has been translated many times over, and even now, if we translate something from English to French to German, to Russian, to Polish to Hungarian, something is going to be lost and gained in translation. Why not in ancient texts of the Bible? To me this is the only thing that makes sense. So I often wonder what have we gained, and what have we lost?

originally posted by: AllIsOne

Ah, the fear thingy again. Nice! It always makes me tremble in my boots and clearly shows the way of how (not) to end any argument.

Sadly, I think there will always be people who fear the unknown, some to a very extreme, ie: fundamentalist, way. Thankfully, not all of us are like that.

I don't understand the mentality of people. In leaving another thread I now see some of the very same people jumping with joy over Jesus being married when in the thread I just left they claimed that this Jesus did not even exist. I am left with the opinion that some people are on this forum simply to argue or feed disinformation. Why else would this be?

Any way, I believe level headed people should wait for the ship to come in before opinions formed. It seems that a previous fragment named the "Fragment of the Gospel of John" was also given from the same unnamed source and is now suspect as being penned by the same scribe.

This present "Wife Of Jesus" fragment has been radiocarbon tested and is said to be 659 to 859 CE. It was also Micro Ramon Spectroscopy tested and is said to be 1st to 8th century. It is also said to have been scribed in an extinct Lycopolitan dialect.
www.nytimes.com...

With this sort of inconclusive evidence I do have suspect that not all is well with either of these finds. That is if they are finds.