Kill The Police, Riot, Then Slavery UK

I agree that you might be taking a specific incident out of proportion.

Though I do think our security services are neither prepared nor adequate enough if there was (and hopefully there won't be) a major situation. The London riots were an example.

The fact that there isn't enough Police or army now and the defence situation being compromised is not a good forward strategy for UK safety. These are the things people should be campaigning for instead of getting all greased up about 'politicians popularity contest' via TV as their voting strategy. They will be in bikinis next Miss /Mr Politics World style and they have to prove they can eat a bacon roll / hot dog first.

I'm not a citizen of the U.K and don't know the details, but, whatever you do, don't let your police become like ours. You've seen the results of over aggressive cops here in the U.S, don't let it happen to you.

I don't think this is a likely scenario in the slightest considering the met have water cannons and rubber baton rounds ready for deployment and regularly use kettling and police horse charges at peaceful protests before a single offence is committed, have more powers than ever and not a single officer has been prosecuted despite hundreds dying while in police custody.

However having spoken to some high ranking officers a few months back, they revealed the police are hiring people with no policing experience as managers as it's cheaper than hiring experienced officers and their opinion was that in a few years there will no longer be a police force and instead it'll be run by private security guards. I don't fully agree with them but they know a lot more than myself about it and today's prosecution of a uk judge for selling black people to private prisons is a very alarming trend.

if the police become routinely undermanned in dealing with protests, counter protests, civil disorder etc, then it's possible that, at some point, soldiers could be seconded to such duties, as a temporary measure at first then incrementally increasing until it might be de riguer. this could end in tears.

i'd choose a police prescence on the streets over a military one any day of the week.

a reply to: Kester

If i hadn't have been such a wayward idiot during my teens and young adulthood, i would have signed up to be a Policeman years ago.

But it wasn't meant to be i suppose.

I would have considered becoming a Police Officer and serving my community and protecting good people from criminals and thugs to have been an honour, even if those i served didn't particularly appreciate it.

I sometimes wonder how many of the anti-Police sentiments sometimes displayed on this board would dry up faster than a teardrop on a rock in death valley, if society went down the toilet and gangs of rapists and murderers roamed freely and did exactly as they wished to....like it or not, we need the Police to enforce the laws that keep us from outright anarchy and a 'mad max' scenario.

a reply to: bastion

have you got a link to the story on the judge? looks interesting.

a reply to: WilsonWilson

Indeed but turns out I was completely wrong and it took place in the US not UK *needs to double check sources before posting* no idea ow that happened en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
I agree that you might be taking a specific incident out of proportion.

It isn't usually that wild in Gloucester. During the 2011 riots...

In Gloucester there were attempts to break into less than a dozen local stores and glass-fronted betting shops. There was an unconfirmed report that a pet shop was targeted.

www.theguardian.com...

The 'politicians popularity contest' is exactly why I'm back here starting threads.

Can I ask one thing? Hoping there won't be a major situation isn't enough. It's our job to spread ideas that will prevent major unrest. A quick look at the titles of your threads says you've got the brains to do this.

a reply to: RoScoLaz4

Definitely, and my experience of taking this poster into Salisbury recruiting office was very worrying. www.policeconstables.org...

Initially I was welcomed. Once it had gone up to the boss I was escorted out and treated with barely concealed amusement. There wasn't enthusiasm for the protection of the traditional, impartial Office of Constable. More like a desire to boot civvies into order.

a reply to: Kester

Much as I would like to be a good influence on potential rioters and chaotic revolution, which I see as avoidable, preventable and non constructive, the chances are that individuals /groups of such nature (chancers/ looters / gangs) aren't sitting on ATS taking good advice. I hope they do take good advice and refrain from such acts, there should be intelligent, organised, constructive revolution as that is the only sort that works.

a reply to: MysterX

It's the thin blue line and we're going to have to reinforce it.

Theresa May killed Paul Mckeever. She'll kill the rest if we stand back and watch it happen. www.abovetopsecret.com...

The private contractors are apparently their answer...www.ft.com...

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

True but we have to try. It's amazing how ideas spread.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Here we have a notorious racist murder case. Stephen Lawrence. Much is made of the police failings in this case, but the media don't give much attention to this part of the story.

Stephens father, Neville, stood up in front of a large audience and took off his jacket to reveal a 'STOP POLICE PRIVATISATION' T shirt.

“It will be a disaster,”

“I can tell you why it will be a disaster. If you privatise the police force, the government is no longer responsible. It won’t be about crime any more, it will be about making money.”

“If you go to the police and they’re a private company, they won’t listen to you, just like if you go to a bank and ask for money – they can just say no. At the moment, the government is ultimately responsible.”

“We want the police to be accountable to the public and not a fly-by-night private conglomerate.”

“We’re going to fight [police privatisation] tooth and nail. Down to the wire. You and I together can make a difference.”

constablechaos.wordpress.com...

Relations between the black community and the police were very tense. Despite the lack of respect shown to the family in the past (they had to resort to a private prosecution) Neville gave credit to the police officers who led the most recent investigation. "If they had been there at the start we would have had a just solution", he said. He still hopes that the murder weapon can be found to provide the evidence to bring others who were undoubtedly involved to justice.

And he had a warning about privatisation of police services. If that went ahead it would be harder to make complaints and there would be "no control over the police".

www.unison-scotland.org.uk...


It's unclear which parts of policing may come under private control. There are many dangers lurking.

The absurdity of the situation has given material for comedians to use.

I'll tell you what this poxy tory government want. They want police officers on short term contracts instead of it being a career because then they wont have officers retiring after 30 years and being entitled to a pension. A lot of the government policies are aimed at this. They want officers to work until they're 60, and longer, so that they will become demoralised and leave early. Nobody would want to work as a front line police officer after 60 years of age or for 40+ years.

They also want a lot more private companies involved in policing and companies such as G4S are already involved and making lots of money from it.....and, guess who has shares in G4S? The one and only Theresa May, the Home Secretary. Now, a lot more of that is going on and nothing is being done about it. Talk about the stink of corruption.

I suspect that when the (engineered) need to arm the police comes, Theresa May and a lot of other corrupt politicians will quietly buy shares in the companies that make firearms/carry out training/supply the bullets.

Call me old fashioned if you want but that's what most politicians are after - lots of money to feather their own nests.

originally posted by: smurfy
How come there are so few police here in NI, yet it is largely peaceful, they are often on the beat, and you can engage with them, just like it used to to be many Moons ago.

I'm just guessing but it might be something to do with that endearing Irish habit of talking to each other. Community cohesion. The English just fiddle with their ties and stare into space.

a reply to: iskander683

If old fashioned means seeing it as it is you're old fashioned.

originally posted by: bastion
I don't think this is a likely scenario in the slightest considering the met have water cannons and rubber baton rounds ready for deployment and regularly use kettling and police horse charges at peaceful protests before a single offence is committed, have more powers than ever and not a single officer has been prosecuted despite hundreds dying while in police custody.

It's a teeny-weeny bit embarrassing to admit but I've devised a secret weapon that will dismount all riders as they charge the crowd. Only to be used with at least three very experienced horsemen/women to each horse. The aim is to reduce horse related injuries, not increase them. Pepper and ball bearings are not clever.

This was in response to the schoolboy injured in London, the pregnant woman terrified, and the woman who had her foot broken and dislocated by the excessive use of force in Manchester. My grandfather was a Met bobby who was awarded a commendation for catching a team of runaway horses. I consider it a family tradition to avoid horse related injuries in British cities.

I've lodged my design with a small number of trusted accomplices and, if imprisoned, I have the option of sharing my design with the prison community.

I fully support the constructive use of horses in crowd safety situations. A full complement of horses could have stopped the organised rush on the turnstiles at Hillsborough. Then we could have moaned about that. The cops are always wrong. Goes with the territory.

Horses are generally more honourable than men. Police horses began refusing orders during the student protests. Annabel, the Mets oldest grey, showed us how the horses feel about being ridden by harsh riders in dishonourable conflicts. Regardless of those who refuse to see what she was intending, I stand by my opinion that stamping on this mans chest was deliberate.

I'm not the only mad inventor who seeks a fair and just society.
Policing here is by consent.

I hope you are wrong, and I do think you are exaggerating one incident. However there is precedent, the London riots a few years ago. Things were out of hand for a day or so, but then they tracked down the vast majority of perpetrators and threw the book at them. So I don't think criminals will be having a field day.

However if what you are suggesting about private security made up of screwed up vets, then this country is screwed. These people are largely psychopaths. They do not give a flying damn about justice or security, if they did they would have refused to fight in the ME. They knew full well what the wars over there were about and who they were fighting for, and if they come back injured, physically or mentally, then they fully deserved what they got. These people are directly and equally responsible for what is going on with IS right now. Every time IS kill innocents, that blood is also on the hands of any of the vets. So if they start to police this country then I think its time to emigrate.

originally posted by: Firefly_
...if they start to police this country then I think its time to emigrate.

Or fight and die like our forefathers.

Lets face it. We learnt how to do asymmetric warfare from the ME conflicts.

We ain't ignorant no more.