Missouri Lawmakers Don't Want Food Stamp Recipients To Buy Steak

a reply to: coldkidc

Just for the record though, I think you're over-complicating it...

I'm not sure I am. Universities, for decades have put together committees of economists, statisticians, sociologists, politicians, and any number of really good minds from a variety of professions to find solutions to these problems. Everything they have come up with so far, is usually rejected, when submitted, due to the proposed solutions being "more expensive than what we have now". Bill Clinton did the best he could. So it's enormously complicated, particularly when there is an uprising of people who resent and begrudge, and rise up in protest, such as on this thread, creating even more resentment against impoverished persons.

Of course the real bugaboo is social security. They've known there would be problems since the baby boomers were born, and when the problems would begin. They have literally been working on it since the early 70's, or maybe even before.

I'm pointing this out because I've had occasion to be in environments that work on some of these issues, and I've become aware of some of these things, and how much thought, time, and energy has been put into problem solving. Quite often for decades.

I don't know how many Americans die from starvation each year, I haven't even looked at those stats in years. I hope you are right, and if so, then yes, we are doing a good job, and I hope it stays that way.

I do take issue still-- with all the "nannies" who want to tell people what they can and cannot eat. People must have some sense of self determination and self-dignity, without others breathing down their necks. Hell, I don't know. Maybe somebody wants to buy a lobster using half their monthly allowance, just because it's on their bucket-list to know what one tastes like. Not my business.

Anyhoo, much of this narrative was not directed towards you personally. I hope you don't feel "jumped on". I hate it when that happens.

liw peace out.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The difference being that food stamps are NOT your money.

No? Did "I" not pay taxes for the many (30+) years that "I" worked?

It's MY money. How dare you spend MY money on lobster when I can't even do that.

You can't? Well, I'd venture to say that if you can't afford to spend YOUR money on lobster, then you are either:

A) overextended and in a debtor's hole that might look and feel like a McMansion, and drive to your office every day in a BMW that seems to outdo the cars of your neighbors every day....while your Mercedes and Lamborghini languish, undriven, in your garage -----

or,
B) shouldn't be having to pay taxes at all, but you do, because the uber-rich are too stingy and hoard their money off-shore

When you get off assistance buy all the lobster you want and I won't say a peep. I have no problem with someone needing assistance and being on it. It's disrespectful to use it like that, others, like myself, are going without.

Okay, at this point, I am going to continue under the assumption that when you say "you", you are not actually talking about "me".... that you mean more "a person", or "one".

Other than that, I think you are very naive about how people who need to humiliate themselves enough to ask for assistance feel and think. Some of them? Sure. But the MAJORITY of people receiving assistance are WORKING poor, with kids.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: coldkidc

wow. I didn't even get to "A" and still threw up in my mouth a little bit.

What, you don't believe in people earning what they have?
Maybe you think expecting people to be net contributors is unreasonable?

We're talking about steak & lobster here - not taking food out of the mouths of babes.

If it's that important to you then why don't you go start a charity called "Steak & Lobster for the poor" - you'd probably get some donations.

Depending on the government to do it for you is stupid and short sighted.
Where are these people going to end up when this debt-bloated titan comes crashing down?

Surviving at their whim?
No thanks....I wouldn't put any of my family through that.

Free yourself.

BTW, You should probably get that checked out...sounds like you might have acid reflux.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: Anyafaj

True but there is not as much support as they originally thought there would be, especially after the $40,000 folly. It also sounds like there are already talks to repeal or amend it.

I can definitely see amending it. This way the path to abuse can be lowered.

a reply to: coldkidc

Our economy does not in it's current shape and form support in the least the capability of the entirely populace to be net contributors, in fact it not only doesn't support net contributors, it goes out of it's way to find ways to put people into debt. So yes, I do in fact think that's too much to ask.

Why would anyone care what those people buy with their food stamps? Steaks aren't that expensive.

The true food stamp abusers are the ones who sell them for drugs.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: AdamuBureido

Thanks for the indepth info on that aspect of the Reconstruction era ,especially the bit about eleminating taxes for the wealthy and passing it on to the poor,sounds very familiar indeed...

and might i add, the reasons no solutions are being presented is because the solutions being considered, are WAY, WAY, MORE DRACONIAN, than the few the loose lips have let drop, which if revealed, would pretty much guarantee their never being allowed to occupy any position from which they might be able to implement them.

nope, you'll just have to trust them, and give them the reins, to see where they're really going.
the other tentacle of the same beast that made "obamacare" into law without any prior examination of the law.

the hypocrisy, it burns...

a reply to: Puppylove

Our economy does not in it's current shape and form support in the least the capability of the entirely populace to be net contributors, in fact it not only doesn't support net contributors, it goes out of it's way to find ways to put people into debt. So yes, I do in fact think that's too much to ask.

So whats your utopian vision then?
We all just wallow in the mire consuming resources that the people before us harvested until nobody has anything left & we've accomplished nothing?

Great vision...nice long term thinking there.

a reply to: coldkidc

Right so the farmers currently being paid not to produce, and the fatcats will billions wallowing away unused in the bank sipping their martini's by their third pool while pondering which of their 100,000 dollar cars they feel like being driven around in today while millions who actually are working their buts off can barely scrape together a meal aren't the problem in the least. Let's all pile on the poor # who takes maybe .0016 out of your paycheck instead, # worrying about the guys causing you to struggle and not afford your lobster in the first place.

Is effing sociopathic is what it is.

a reply to: Puppylove

So suggest a solution then...stop complaining about it & not providing any suggestions.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

B) shouldn't be having to pay taxes at all, but you do, because the uber-rich are too stingy and hoard their money off-shore

Much to your chagrin.

a reply to: coldkidc

The solution is to completely revamp our entire government, it is to look to the people who truly benefit from our screwed up economy, it's to get the sociopaths with 99% of the world's wealth out of power, and to build up a new system that promotes working hard while creating reasonable boundaries that prevent this insane and sociopathic disparity from happening again.

The main point is, this situation with food stamps is not a problem, it's a symptom, and you're focusing on those who like you are victims of the sociopaths in power when in truth we're all being #ed in the ass by the same elite psychopaths together. This division is bull# and your hatred of the poor in this instance is terribly misplaced.

Sorry for going off the deep end, but I'm seriously getting frustrated with everyone pissing on people who are in no better a position than themselves while others sociopathically hoard most of the worlds wealth and resources living it while everyone suffers, and all anyone can do is defend these psychopaths.

a reply to: Puppylove

Definitely don't hate the poor...I think you misunderstand me if that's what you got from everything I posted.

I do think complaining that your government assistance doesn't buy you steak and lobster, which by-the-way, is something many hard working citizens not on the government dole can't afford, is petulantly ungrateful & entitled.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
a reply to: LewsTherinThelamon

If taxation were voluntary, I don't think people would be as upset.

I hope someday our taxation system will be re-worked. I think people who receive poverty level wages, or near- poverty level wages should be exempt from those type taxes. I'm not a socialist, but I think what's fair is fair. You don't take money from those who are barely scraping by. What' the old saying "Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul"?. It's just wrong. (to me).

I actually disagree here. EVERYONE regardless of income should pay taxes. Taxes don't really impact quality of life (if taxes mean you have nothing to live on, government programs step in and make the difference up), but what they do is remove the whole "I pay taxes and you don't" shtick from people. The debates over these programs are much improved when everyone is paying in. Also, the whole "barely scraping by" thing is relative. Look a page or two back and a poster says they're barely getting by when they have enough income to be spending 40% of it in taxes, and pay $500 or $600 per month in grocery bills. Some honestly believe that is barely getting by, and that means we should simply remove the subjectivity of "who is making enough" from the debate and make everyone pay.

a reply to: coldkidc

It's not when I argue you should be more than capable of affording it yourself and know it's not the poor eating their rare occasional lobster that's the problem.

In other words rather than blaming and getting mad at the poor who found a way to afford that lobster on that money, you should be upset at the people not paying you enough to afford it yourself while they buy a new Ferrari for when they go out thursday night cause they don't have a thursday night car yet.

I'm not poor or receiving food stamps but I rarely buy steak and never buy lobster... They just cost too much.

Why should someone on food stamps be buying these things..

It's not when I argue you should be more than capable of affording it yourself and know it's not the poor eating their rare occasional lobster that's the problem. In other words rather than blaming and getting mad at the poor who found a way to afford that lobster on that money, you should be upset at the people not paying you enough to afford it yourself while they buy a new Ferrari for when they go out thursday night cause they don't have a thursday night car yet.

a reply to: Puppylove

Unfortunately, there's a certain percentage of the poor that put themselves there because of poor decision making skills and spending $9-10 on a steak when you have $25 a day to feed yourself seems like a poor financial decision.
But, if you insist, then do it with your own money.

Being on assistance shouldn't be comfortable...it's unhealthy.

a reply to: Wildbob77

Why should someone on food stamps be buying these things..

They rarely do. If they do it's to celebrate something.

And steaks aren't that expensive.

IA with people here who are saying food stamps should not buy steak and lobster. I don't get food stamps, my husband made 20 extra and they said we didn't qualify. I don't buy steak and lobster, why should anyone pay for someone else to go buy those things when hard working people don't buy them either.

The other day for St Patrick's day I had a party at my house, the parade lines up right outside of my house. Anyway we went to the store, their party trays are priced ridiculous! I just made some finger sandwiches, two loafs of bread for $2.50, some turkey breast and I was done. Bought some crackers and two blocks of cheese cut them my self! Even if we did have food stamps, I would not waste the money on those things.

I really don't care how much I pay toward their food stamps whether it's .10c or $10.00. Not when I see people on their brand new iPhone 6 talking in line with 3 carts full of hot dogs, chilli, chips, cakes, soft drinks etc.. pull out a food stamp card and pay with that.