Where is the Outrage to close Muslim bakeries for not serving Gays?

first people the marxists (err communists/totalitarinists) got rid of once they had control of the soviet union, were skilled labor, factory workers, college educated, like teachers and doctors and scholars, gays and feminists. then religious people of various stripes. at first they didn't attack the jews, but eventually, they went after them as well. you are working, unceasingly, for your destroyers. fascists are just totalitarinists as well, which is why they have been able to form a coordinated front against the american people and brainwash wide swaths of our people into believing their crap.

a reply to: undo

ooooooookay.... have a nice day.

a reply to: kaylaluv

the government, at any point, can request money be printed up for them to be spent on whatever they want. instead of helping our inner city poor, they spent the money on illegally smuggling guns over our border to mexico and various wars. they've been caught, time and time again, spending money and man power, doing everything except helping the poor and the people of the inner cities. that's how i know. it's not hard to figure out. not giving the neocons a free pass though, as they only changed sides from the democrats when they realized the democrats wanted to take away their private property. it's not that they believe americans as a whole should be able to have private property, it's that they don't personally want their private property touched. my guess is they see themselves as the future proletariat, and to keep that position and their power, they need to be on the side that won't sell them down the river before tshtf.

p.s. if you think a marxist - fascist government will spare your life because you are gay, black or some other minority, you are sorely mistaken. you won't be able to stage a coordinated political protest to defend yourself or to force them to provide you with wedding supplies, as the government is literally, the only entity with any power. everyone else is a number.

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look at this grandmakdw

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1922-1991), Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on the particular era. Soviet policy, based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs.[1] The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.[4][5]

The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.[6][7][8] Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population,[4] in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces allowed by a state that recognised its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[2][9] [...] The Soviet regime had an ostensible commitment to the complete annihilation of religious institutions and ideas.[10] Militant atheism was central to the ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union[11] and a high priority of all Soviet leaders.[3] Convinced atheists were considered to be more virtuous individuals than those of religious belief.[3]

The state established atheism as the only scientific truth.[12][13][14][15][16][17][unreliable source?] Soviet authorities forbade the criticism of atheism or of the state's anti-religious policies; such criticism could lead to forced retirement, arrest and/or imprisonment.[18][19][20] Soviet law never officially outlawed the holding of religious views, and the various Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe. However, since Marxist ideology as interpreted by Lenin[21] and by his successors regarded religion as an obstacle to the construction of a communist society, putting an end to all religion (and replacing it with atheism[22]) became a fundamentally important ideological goal of the Soviet state.

The persecution of religion took place officially through many legal measures designed to hamper religious activities, through a large volume of anti-religious propaganda, through education, and through various other[which?] means. In tandem with official persecution, many accompanying secret instructions remained unofficial.[citation needed] In practice the state also sought to control religious bodies and to interfere with them, with the ultimate goal of making them disappear.[22]

To this effect, the state sought to control the activities of the leaders of the different religious communities.[10] Official Communist Party documents often disguised official persecution under euphemisms such as the "struggle against bourgeois ideology", the "dissemination of materialist ideology", etc.[citation needed] The government often rejected the principle of treating all religious believers as public enemies,[21] partly due to pragmatic considerations (given the large number of people adhering to a faith) and also partly from the belief that the number of the believers included many loyal Soviet citizens whom the authorities ought to convince to become atheists rather than attack outright. Religious believers found themselves always subject to anti-religious propaganda and to legislation that restricted religious practice. They frequently suffered restrictions within Soviet society. Rarely, however, did the Soviet state officially ever subject them to arrest, imprisonment or death simply for having holding beliefs. Instead, the methods of persecution represented a reaction to the perception (real or imagined) of their resistance to the state's broader campaign against religion.[23]

The campaign was designed[by whom?] to disseminate atheism, and the acts of violence and terror tactics deployed, while almost always officially invoked on the basis of perceived resistance to the state, aimed in the larger scheme not simply to dampen opposition, but to further assist in the suppression of religion in order to disseminate atheism.[23] Soviet tactics The tactics varied over the years and became more moderate or more harsh at different times. Among common tactics included confiscating church property, ridiculing religion, harassing believers, and propagating atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed. Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture, being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[24][25][26][27] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions (see Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union).[25][26][28]

During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.[1] In the Soviet Union, in addition to the methodical closing and destruction of churches, the charitable and social work formerly done by ecclesiastical authorities was taken over by the state. As with all private property, Church owned property was confiscated into public use.

The few places of worship left to the Church were legally viewed as state property which the government permitted the church to use. Protestant Christians in the USSR (Baptists, Pentecostals, Adventists etc.) in the period after the Second world war were compulsively sent to mental hospitals, endured trials and prisons (often for refusal to enter military service). Some were even compulsively deprived of their parent rights.[29]

Anti-religious campaign 1917–1921 Main article: USSR anti-religious campaign (1917–1921) and 1922 confiscation of Russian Orthodox Church property In August 1917, following the collapse of the tsarist government, a council of the Russian Orthodox Church reestablished the patriarchate and elected the metropolitan Tikhon as patriarch.[30]

In November 1917, within weeks of the revolution, the People's Commissariat for Enlightenment was established, which a month later created the All-Russian Union of Teachers-Internationalists for the purpose of removing religious instruction from school curricula. In order to intensify the anti-religious propaganda in the school system, the Chief Administration for Political Enlightenment (Glavpolitprosvet) was established in November 1920.[31]

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Christian persecution Complex

Christian fundamentalists in the Bible Belt feel persecuted or "oppressed" whenever they find someone that doesn't share their particular worldview (such as creationism, as pointed out in talk.origins's archive. On closer examination of such claims, it's more commonly the case that claims of persecution are better explained as annoyance at the removal of privilege or the curtailment of their ability to force their views on others.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
Christian persecution Complex

Christian fundamentalists in the Bible Belt feel persecuted or "oppressed" whenever they find someone that doesn't share their particular worldview (such as creationism, as pointed out in talk.origins's archive. On closer examination of such claims, it's more commonly the case that claims of persecution are better explained as annoyance at the removal of privilege or the curtailment of their ability to force their views on others.

read that article above. soviet russia sounds just like the usa, today.

originally posted by: undo

read that article above. soviet russia sounds just like the usa, today.

No it really really doesn't, hence your persecution complex....

It's pretty disgusting that you'd use the horrors of Stalin's Soviet Russia to attempt to gain sympathy or to excuse your prejudices.

it's to the benefit of this creeping totalitarianism, that muslims, jews and christians, not form a coordinated front against the totalitarian state, thus why they have agreed to look the other way for muslims in exchange for their support. and to encourage christians to insist on some incredibly bad biblical interpretations in the press, so that it can be easily strawman-ed into oblivion.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: undo

read that article above. soviet russia sounds just like the usa, today.

No it really really doesn't, hence your persecution complex....

It's pretty disgusting that you'd use the horrors of Stalin's Soviet Russia to attempt to gain sympathy or to excuse your prejudices.

how the hell do you know i'm prejudice against gays!??! how do you know that!? oooo i'm so mad right now. must go do some tai chi to calm the heck down!

a reply to: undo

That's just nuts. The U.S. is not a communist government. It is a Republic. You vote people into office. Don't like them? Vote someone else in. You can even run for office yourself.

The U.S. is a secular government, meaning it does not force any of it's citizens to be any particular religion, nor does it force religious people to be atheists. There are some rules, however, that all must follow, in order to make sure that everyone gets their civil rights. Those rules come from a little document called The Constitution.

For many years, Christianity ruled the country. That's why all stores used to be closed on Sunday, alcohol couldn't be bought on Sunday, gay marriage was banned in all states, ect. Christians have been used to having things run their way. Things are changing in this country, so that people who aren't Christian can live their lives with citizen's rights without having to follow the Christian dogma. This is really bothering the Christians who want the rules to go back to their way.

here we go:

The persecution of religion took place officially through many legal measures designed to hamper religious activities, through a large volume of anti-religious propaganda, through education, and through various other[which?] means. In tandem with official persecution, many accompanying secret instructions remained unofficial.[citation needed] In practice the state also sought to control religious bodies and to interfere with them, with the ultimate goal of making them disappear.[22]

that politician from indiana knew this wasn't going to go over well. the whole thing is one big propaganda campaign against all christians in the guise of some well publicized cases. just like with the muslim example, where there were several muslims who DID make the cake the guy asked for, many christians would and did, also make cakes for gay customers but notice it's only the few who don't agree to that extreme, that get any air time! it's f'in propaganda.

stalin also killed a few million buddhists.

originally posted by: undo


that politician from indiana knew this wasn't going to go over well. the whole thing is one big propaganda campaign against all christians in the guise of some well publicized cases. just like with the muslim example, where there were several muslims who DID make the cake the guy asked for, many christians would and did, also make cakes for gay customers but notice it's only the few who don't agree to that extreme, that get any air time! it's f'in propaganda.

stalin also killed a few million buddhists.

Wrong. Remember the woman baker who refused to decorate an anti-gay slogan on the cake for someone? She was perfectly willing to sell a cake, she just wasn't willing to decorate it against gays. She was a Christian. That got air time. There have been Christians interviewed during the whole deal with the Christian baker who wouldn't make a cake for a gay wedding, who said they would make the cake no problem. They got air time as well.

But, it will be news when a Christian refuses to provide the same product/service to gays that he provides to everyone else, especially when it is going against the laws of his state and results in a lawsuit. To demand that it not be in the news, is a little disingenuous.

And what does Stalin killing buddhists have to do with America not being a communist country?

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: undo

read that article above. soviet russia sounds just like the usa, today.

No it really really doesn't, hence your persecution complex....

It's pretty disgusting that you'd use the horrors of Stalin's Soviet Russia to attempt to gain sympathy or to excuse your prejudices.

how the hell do you know i'm prejudice against gays!??! how do you know that!? oooo i'm so mad right now.

must go do some tai chi to calm the heck down!

Ah so despite you being a republican conservative fundamentalist christian, you're all for gay marriage, gay rights and you oppose the bill in Indiana?.....

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: undo

read that article above. soviet russia sounds just like the usa, today.

No it really really doesn't, hence your persecution complex....

It's pretty disgusting that you'd use the horrors of Stalin's Soviet Russia to attempt to gain sympathy or to excuse your prejudices.

how the hell do you know i'm prejudice against gays!??! how do you know that!? oooo i'm so mad right now.

must go do some tai chi to calm the heck down!

Ah so despite you being a republican conservative fundamentalist christian, you're all for gay marriage, gay rights and you oppose the bill in Indiana?.....

i'm a slightly right of center conservative, and also a slightly left of center liberal. so, no i do not recognize your stereotype. i'm trying to calm down here but you just make me so mad, and that's not how i should treat other people. i can't stand the dang stereotypes. there are 318 million people in the usa. of course you're going to find people who are prejudiced against anything. you must not have taken part in the prior discussion on this topic, as you would know i'm not prejudiced against gays. end.of.story.

a reply to: kaylaluv

because an atheist-marxist state, following lenin's original plan, gets rid of anybody that doesn't recognize the state as the sole authority. that's how it works. you're not allowed to have a final arbiter who's teachings trump those of the state, such as buddha, jehovah, jesus, allah, thor, or any other authority other than the state.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: kaylaluv

because an atheist-marxist state, following lenin's original plan, gets rid of anybody that doesn't recognize the state as the sole authority. that's how it works. you're not allowed to have a final arbiter who's teachings trump those of the state, such as buddha, jehovah, jesus, allah, thor, or any other authority other than the state.

But you just said that our government was leaving Muslims alone and only targeting Christians?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: kaylaluv

because an atheist-marxist state, following lenin's original plan, gets rid of anybody that doesn't recognize the state as the sole authority. that's how it works. you're not allowed to have a final arbiter who's teachings trump those of the state, such as buddha, jehovah, jesus, allah, thor, or any other authority other than the state.

But you just said that our government was leaving Muslims alone and only targeting Christians?

they are useful in that position because were they to join sides with christians against totalitarianism (don't mistake me, i think the repubs have a few too many totalitarians as well -- we call them dominionists), along with jews (who haven't already vacated the premises), they couldn't be counted on to use as a social justice army, along with the contents of our prisons and inner cities. i keep warning european jews, christians and muslims to get out of europe cause they are all being manipulated by the totalitarian european union, into their own demise.

a reply to: undo

I'm sorry, but you're just not making a whole lot of sense.

I'm going to have to bow out of this coo-coo conversation.

Peace out.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: undo

I'm sorry, but you're just not making a whole lot of sense.

I'm going to have to bow out of this coo-coo conversation.

Peace out.

that's also what the soviets did. anybody that disagreed with them was sent to slave camps or mental institutions. they were told that people who didn't agree with their stance, were coo-coo. many were tortured. they made hitler look like a kindergartner in the school of totalitarianism. then, the whole thing was covered up and hidden for an entire generation (40 years) while they made strides around the world, including the usa.

wall street funded the bolshevik revolution and the american press covered it up
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wall street funded the nazis and the american press covered it up
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