Iran Agreement may sideline Russia and China If War Becomes the Option

If an agreement can be made between Iran and the P5+1 regarding Iran's nuclear program, this would perhaps sideline Russia and China, key supporters of Iran if for some reason the agreement is breached.

Bringing in Russia and China in this agreement could be pivotal, and used to curtail any blowback or political dissent between the US or other nations if a military option is needed, since they are signatories to the agreement.

Being signatory offers little outs IMO if the use of military force becomes the option. It could be used to justify and sideline Iran's backers and supporters, in this case Russia and China. If it is seen for whatever reason that the promise is broken and the terms breached, how much space is left for China or Russia, in the face of public opinion (MSM) to be seen supporting a 'rogue' state.

Is it part of the plan?

a reply to: Daedal

Bringing in Russia and China in this agreement could be pivotal, and used to curtail any blowback or political dissent between the US or other nations if a military option is needed, since they are signatories to the agreement.

Take note these talks aren't in the UN security council, but outside it. The US is doing it this way to isolate Iran and it doesn't care what agreement Iran makes, as long as it participates it gives rise to the notion the talks are legitimate to the world main stream media. Then the US can accuse them of breaking the agreement (whatever it is) on some technicality to ramp up sanctions as a prelude to war. Just like all the other nations before it.

The talks are double edged, force Iran to either participate and disarm (sounds familiar) or disobey and incur the inevitable violation of its sovereignty with no fly zones and Humanitarian intervention (invasion).

originally posted by: intrptr

Take note these talks aren't in the UN security council, but outside it.

Except that is false. So false that part of Russia's demand is that no matter what agreement is reached, they get to keep their veto power in the UN over repercussions. So if Iran's sanctions are removed, and then Iran breaches the deal, Russia wants the ability to refuse sanctions put back on. The UN is very much a part of this.

On the issue of U.N. sanctions, officials expressed concerns that the five permanent veto-wielding members of the U.N. Security Council could object to plans to strip away some of the U.N. measures in place since 2006, albeit for different reasons.

A Western official said Britain, France and the United States want any removal of U.N. sanctions to be automatically reversible, but the Russians dislike this because it would weaken their veto power.

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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

part of Russia's demand is that no matter what agreement is reached, they get to keep their veto power in the UN over repercussions.

They already have that.

So if Iran's sanctions are removed, and then Iran breaches the deal, Russia wants the ability to refuse sanctions put back on.

Russia isn't at the table where the "deal" is being forced on Iran. They have no say there. Obviously why the talks aren't happening in the UN. Its ridiculous to impose US will on foreign nations regards their nuclear power. Oh, that double standard again, got it.

It wouldn't even be on the table in the UN… the US knows that. So they isolate Iran away form there and force them to comply or else with another bulls*** agreement that the US (and you) say they might break… they haven't even reached an agreement yet, by the way…

and the west will accuse them of breaking it regardless, to impose more sanctions and then "intervene" militarily just like Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc.

What ever happened to the WMD chems in Syria that Russia pledged to neutralize?

originally posted by: intrptr
They already have that.

No, if sanctions are automatically put back there's no vote. Russia and Iran want the sanctions removed, and if Iran breaks the agreement there is nothing that can be done without Russian approval.

Russia isn't at the table where the "deal" is being forced on Iran. They have no say there. Obviously why the talks aren't happening in the UN. Its ridiculous to impose US will on foreign nations regards their nuclear power. Oh, that double standard again, got it.

Complete lie!!! Russia is part of the P5+1. Blatant utter lie!!

"This is a crucial decision laying the agreed basis for the final text of joint comprehensive plan of action. We can now start drafting the text and annexes," said Mogherini, who has acted as a coordinator for the six powers - Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia and the United States.

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