If you can't pay your student loan, we will take your drivers licence.

I'm convinced this is part of some agenda to make us all criminal.

Then they just need to punish the law breakers- death penalty should be a nice fit!


As for anyone claiming "don't get into debt", Go eat one. The government let that boat sail over a hundred years ago when they handed over the country to the central DEBT BASED CURRENCY system used world wide today.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: jrod

I'm convinced that some of this is done deliberately to push people into the illegal economy. This, the credit checks for jobs (even when they don't involve money), etc. It's like they intentionally create as many hurdles as possible to stop people from being able to get back on their feet legally.

I agree their is something fishy going on. I saw a Doco. the other night about young girls that were trapped into prostitution. When they grew up, and woke up, they were stuck because the checks fixed it so they were stuffed as far as gaining employment went. Its almost like the corrections industry is making sure it has plenty of work organised for the future . It makes you think that the one mistake you make can stuff up your life . Never give a sucker an even break. The west makes quite a good money go round, but everything is becoming a business model, even illness.

Other than student loans, which other legal contracts should we let be ignored?

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Other than student loans, which other legal contracts should we let be ignored?

The problem is that a few years back, if you had some sort of bad rating, you could start all over again. But with electronic surveillance, the merest indiscretion will never fall of the laptop. Call me stupid , but if you have been done for some sort of felony , then paid the price according to the law. Where does it say you will be hounded all the days of your life??? and never be able to get a decent job etc. That is just creating more lawbreakers. The prisons are filling up, and creating a nice mega industry, for certain people, and creating high paid jobs for life. basically on the backs of the poor . I just don't see many rich or even middle class people doing jail time.

originally posted by: incoserv
Call it:

DEBTOR'S PRISON - HOUSE ARREST

That's exactly what it is.

Funny I've lived in 5 cities, never had a car and sometimes work was miles and miles away..

Dun dun dun...

Always remember a license is a privilege not a right.. It should not be this way, in current society where not having a car can break you.. Some of us do have bikes though. They work well, except on skinny roads with lots of traffic..

It's one of the reasons I have never owned a car, and never had any debt.. I don't really owe anything I do to other people.. It was a desire from when I was young.. Don't play into games.. It's like once you are in they can always threaten you with being out.. I'm already out.

Until the day they force me to pay money just for being alive.. They upped the game on that one. MoFos... In a free society I have the choice.. Paying money for nothing, Fine.. Or getting healthcare I don't want to pay for.. I thought such a thing was illegal, that forcing insurance on car owners was only allowable because driving was a privilege not a right.. When did being alive become a privilege..

Sorry I veered a little there..

My Ex has a mountain of Student loans.. She's already getting aroudn 3 months behind I think.. They even talked her through the budget she has over the phone and then were like well ya I guess you can't pay it huh?? I know she can't pay it. She's crazy careful with money (NOW), too bad she had to go into debt to be a teacher.. Which she now is, but doesn't pay so well

I know the first cookie jar they will have their hands in is her tax return.. Federal loans are no fun me thinks.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Since 1990!

Why is this an issue now?

ugh

why is the defintion of a "driver"

so hard for people to wrap their brains around?

here ill try again

thelawdictionary.org...

originally posted by: anonentity

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: jrod

I'm convinced that some of this is done deliberately to push people into the illegal economy. This, the credit checks for jobs (even when they don't involve money), etc. It's like they intentionally create as many hurdles as possible to stop people from being able to get back on their feet legally.

I agree their is something fishy going on. I saw a Doco. the other night about young girls that were trapped into prostitution. When they grew up, and woke up, they were stuck because the checks fixed it so they were stuffed as far as gaining employment went. Its almost like the corrections industry is making sure it has plenty of work organised for the future . It makes you think that the one mistake you make can stuff up your life . Never give a sucker an even break. The west makes quite a good money go round, but everything is becoming a business model, even illness.

Some countries have something called "bonded labor", which is a form of slavery passed down to each generation. Basically, kids are born into debt, work their entire lives for the debt owner, never can pay the debt back (debt owner charges for room & board), and the remaining debt is passed down to their children. I hate it with a passion.

I've noticed that there seems to be an entire section of people (even here) that simply have no empathy or compassion for other people. Like they want to see other people suffering. Some make "pro-America" statements on one hand, then turn around and encourage the suffering of other Americans. They don't seem to want other Americans to be able to get jobs, to be treated fairly by the law, or to have a second chance at life. I've almost reached my conclusion on them, but I'm giving myself a little more time to be sure.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Other than student loans, which other legal contracts should we let be ignored?

Huh? What does a driver's license have to do with a student loan? Should they cut off someone's electricity if they don't pay their phone bill?

a reply to: hellobruce

I think the students that decide to strive for higher education do so with the view that they will get a decent paying job at the end so they can realise their debt.

I doubt most students would go into this type of debt or seek higher education if they knew there were no jobs for them at the end.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Yes you can see it clearly, rather than treat everyone with dignity , and fairness, which will get projected back in 99% of cases, they would rather treat people like dogs, and then when they act like one, send them to the pound. Most people cant afford a decent education so they end up dumb and cant work it out. This will collapse a society when it reaches a tipping point, it has in the past and will in the future. Society must be inclusive, not predatory. This predatory model is like taking a loan, with a loan shark interest rate. Then passing the debt on for someone else to pay. It makes it all pointless, for many, so they just give it the finger.

a reply to: Another_Nut

I think your sentiment is wonderful and might (might!) work in court.

the shoulder of the freeway with 'the man' standing beside you is no place to get technical. police aren't going to hear 'driver' from 'traveler' they will just take you to jail.

besides, I think you are missing the point by focusing on the driving aspect.

originally posted by: tgidkp
a reply to: Another_Nut

I think your sentiment is wonderful and might (might!) work in court.

the shoulder of the freeway with 'the man' standing beside you is no place to get technical. police aren't going to hear 'driver' from 'traveler' they will just take you to jail.

besides, I think you are missing the point by focusing on the driving aspect.

i always get technical with cops. many times. hell i had one tell me it was illegal to be at a business after hours when i was at the library after it closed

i simply said "i didnt know the library was a for profit private business"

now i dont even know if thats true but

he left after that and has never come back

if i get pulled over i just wont take it. they ask for my DL and i say im not driving im traveling and i dont need a license to do that

when they ask for id i ask what crime im suspected of .

now i will admit i havent been pulled over in MANY years but no way will i let the police bully me

just wont happen

recently i was harassed by police for sleeping in my van at walmart

i held my ground . i informed them of the laws and after i had a chat with the sargent he let them know .

if more would do this kind of thing then these out of control control freaks would learn their lesson and their place

a reply to: ketsuko

Pounding a person with penalties that will more or less ensure they will never crawl out of the hole they've gotten into isn't going to get any debtor their money.

This does however give credence to the debtors prison.........the cheaper they can make labor the better....

This is ridiculous the dumbest thing I ever heard of.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It's not a new tactic for a debtor to decide that if you can't them for some reason, they will charge you more. Even though I agree that you should pay back what you owe, I never understood the logic of how an added fee was supposed to make money that wasn't there to begin with magically materialize.

And, yes, it is terribly counter-productive to basically rob a person of their means of transportation and getting to and from a job which would be where you get your payment from ... Pounding a person with penalties that will more or less ensure they will never crawl out of the hole they've gotten into isn't going to get any debtor their money.

They do this because it's a cash grab from the state. They see a class of people beaten down who have no money to get out of debt, much less fight a legal battle. By taking the persons license that person is now a more profitable target when pulled over on the road. In addition, they're all but guaranteed to pay into one of those drivers license forgiveness programs when they roll around every couple years.

Last, debt is an asset. The state can treat unpaid debt as money in their pocket. Paying off your debt means that monetized debt disappears. The money leaves the system, and the debt backing also leaves. They don't want you to pay the debt off because that shrinks the money supply.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Since 1990!

Why is this an issue now?

The student loan issue has been growing over time. Currently student loan debt is a good sized larger than credit card debt, and 85% or more of that loan debt is consolidated among people my age and a few years younger. It is an absolutely massive amount of money to owe and there is no way out. People took on this debt on the promise of jobs, and some even got jobs for a couple years. Then 2008 happened, and we now have a real unemployment rate of 40%. The jobs are gone, but the debt remains, as does the requirement for a degree for even low level labor. I've told the story here before, but I know a pizza shop a couple towns over where the minimum requirements to work there is a 4 year engineering or mathematics degree. Welcome to the new economy.

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Other than student loans, which other legal contracts should we let be ignored?

Any unsecured loan can be ignored, and short of dinging a persons credit there's not a damn thing the lender can do about it. Once they discharge in bankruptcy it's gone. Student loans are now protected from that.

So I think you're asking the wrong question. What you should be asking is, which debts should stick with you through bankruptcy?

Since all money is debt, creating these loans was just a way for banks to get more free money.

Now the younger generation of adults is more educated than the older generations- but loaded with debt.

The US dollar was never meant to last more than a century, and now it's being held up by rich and powerful who have grown fat off of its poor design- because they have nothing without it.


Keep the younger, faster, smarter generation down with debt- keep them oppressed with extra laws and restrictions that apply only to them.

The money is failing- and when it happens, suddenly just about everyone is going to realize that their whole lifes work is not only meaningless, but worthless, too.
tick, tick, tick...

originally posted by: Another_Nut
ugh

why is the defintion of a "driver"

so hard for people to wrap their brains around?

here ill try again

thelawdictionary.org...

The lawdictionary os not the law, Blacks is not the law.

Here's an example or a REAL law - Pennsylvania Code 75:

§ 1501. Drivers required to be licensed.
(a) General rule.--No person, except those expressly exempted, shall drive
any motor vehicle upon a highway or public property in this Commonwealth
unless the person has a driver's license valid under the provisions of this
chapter.

- Penn Code 75

Whinge all you like - you are not allowed to drive (on public property, etc) unless you are licensed - whether you want to call yourself a "traveller" or anything else.

Here's California instruction to courts:

2241. Driver and Driving Defined
[A driver is a person who drives or is in actual physical control of a vehicle.]

[A person drives a vehicle when he or she intentionally causes it to move by exercising actual physical control over it. The person must cause the vehicle to move, but the movement may be slight.]

- Justia

Here's the case they quoteMercer v. Dept. of Motor Vehicles (1991)