Is this ET? Mystery of strange radio bursts from space

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

I'm sure it is. I got your vibe, you're no liar.

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a reply to: MystikMushroom

The best way to keep a secret is to not share it. You add a second (let alone a 1000th) person to that link, information will break out. Its why conspiracies like the 9/11 was a inside job, theory tend to fall down. Now when you get a very small group of self interested people, who know something that they do not want known by others .... then it has a chance

a reply to: BlueMule

I am not accusing that poster of lying, I am suggesting that it is an attitude that is not borne out by evidence. People believe all sorts of strange things (as I've posted many a time, I'm a neopagan "Druid", so I fall in that category)

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Yeah nah sorry "I have friends" is also not evidence. As someone who is an academic at times (I work in both the Chemical Industry (mostly Pharma), and academic environment as a consultant) academics are not that easily shut down. You may believe what you say here, but evidence of a secret like this staying secret does not have a very high probability.

a reply to: Noinden

When they are new to the research and monitoring data they can easily be moved around as suits. It wasn't their own research, it was within faculty.

I work in academia and I know about research faculties and I have reason to believe it is true.

Whether you or anyone else does is inconsequential to my opinion, which I can share as I choose.

Your theories on 'secrets' are moot, think Snowden, how many people knew the things he revealed and how secret was it all before he revealed it.

You need to wisen to reality, there is corruption on all levels. Sometimes leaks about it are made public.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Like I said, I am sure you believe this. However history and statistics both show this to be very unlikely, and the "I know someone who"/"A friend of mine who" argument is a strawman. Easily blown down.

I understand the politics of academia (I'd be a piss poor consultant if I did not), but as I said, academics tend to be hard to shut up. They are intellectual elite, and tend to be very taken with their own ideas. SO when you try to shut them up, they resist. Industry is easier to do this in, and even then it gets out.

But you are right what you or I think does not matter. Humans are non logical when it comes to discerning what they feel is true.

a reply to: Noinden

I also know about psychology and I make educated decisions based on facts. If I determine something as reason for being true then I do with logical analysis of the facts.

Your supposition of 'the truth always gets to the surface so how can it be true' is ironic as here it is being surfaced, perhaps it will surface in a more academic way than on ATS, perhaps it already has.

originally posted by: Noinden

Yeah nah sorry "I have friends" is also not evidence.

Technically, it is evidence. Anecdotal evidence. Get enough of it, and you got data.

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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Yet again a strawman argument. I simply hold up history as a place to look. IF your supposition was true, Watergate, Whitegate, the Bombing of the Rainbowwarrior (you may need to google that one, its New Zealand specific) all would be mysteries, yet they are not.

Now I am not saying academics going public with a discovery will be taken seriously. The Media is great for not giving a flying monkeys cuss about the truth of science. However it would get out. Information can not be contained, I do believe there are number of theories on that en.wikipedia.org...

All this aside, as it is way off topic. Interesting original post.

a reply to: Thebel

Keep at the back of your mind as you think about the mystery of these new signals that all too frequently the truth of many matters is withheld from us. The case for governments never going at length to sincerely prove (or disprove) UFOs is an excellent example. As for pulsars and their bigger brothers quasars, and now this new phenomena, they were all assumed to be signals from very high order ETs when first discovered. And as such, they were all kept secret. That is until they had fashioned explanations for them. Those explanations in no way are a definite answer but could merely be contrived coverups cloaked in "scientific" reasoning. The authorities would have to do that because while a UFO sighting from a citizen, even a photograph, can be dismissed as not proof of anything But these strange signals come out of the sky where it was assumed they had it all pretty well figured out must be explained away.

My point being is that we tend to believe what we are told, and really shouldn't. And if you've ever had a decent UFO sighting, you won't believe a damned word they tell you about anything. --At least, I don't.

originally posted by: droneonline
It seems funny that 187,5 could be pointing to the year 1875 as another member mentioned - the year of the first real audio recording by Edison.

What's even more interesting is that when you're working with nowadays audio recording technology (like I do on a daily basis), you will be working with high "samplerates" to digitize analog signals.

The most common high definition samplerates are 48 kHz (48000 Hz), 96 kHz (96000 Hz) and even 192 kHz (192000 Hz, for REALLY high resolution).

And funnily..all these samplerates can be devided by 187,5 in a nice way:

187,5 x 256 = 48 000
187,5 x 512 = 96 000
187,5 x 1024 = 192 000

Whatever that means.....I just thought it was a strange coincidence.....

For some reason, that resonates with me...

I applaud you for pointing out what you did. It shows that it's possible that there is a binary signal somewhere within the burst, considering that all of those numbers are examples of binary multiples, as you illustrated.

Given that objects moving, spinning, drifting in different directions, I would find it almost impossible for a random signal to have that kind of cohesion each time. If it were a natural signal from a star or a quasar, the 187.5 multiple would suggests that the signals are being generated from sources that are millions (or billions) of light years from Earth at distances which are exactly spaced multiples of each other. It wouldn't randomly reach us the same way each time unless someone is waiting for the opportunity to AIM.

~Namaste

a reply to: Noinden

There isn't any strawman argument, I have better things to do.

I gave my opinion on something I know, that I believe is true.

Stop derailing the thread, remember ''go after the post not the poster''.

a reply to: Baddogma

Well one of the things pointed out is that the apparent dispersion measurement of the signal is not necessarily an indication of extra-galactic distance, and such extreme distance would likely impart a certain random amount of dispersion due to interstellar and intergalactic dust even if the distances really were evenly spaced. More likely it's caused by whatever is transmitting it, or the method in which it is reaching the antenna.

Personally I think that given the regular intervals of the DM combined with the time of arrival being tied so closely to earthly seconds, it is vastly more likely to be artificial in origin than natural. The odds of aliens knowing how we measure time and timing their signals to coincide with our clocks seems to be less likely to me than a human origin, but we can't rule out a slim possibility of the former. Perhaps the message comes from somewhere very local to our solar system from something monitoring the planet and trying to tailor the bursts to our clocks as part of a way of establishing communication; maybe time itself is key to decoding whatever information is being sent.

On the other hand it could be just a spurious detection of ordinary human transmissions. Time signals from cell towers or timing signals from drones or satellites or who knows what. I think in the end though the timing will be key to understanding who or what is causing it.

originally posted by: blackmetalmist
They had another thread earlier and I posted the following:

On June 2, 1875, while working in one room with their experimental telegraphic device, Watson tried to free a reed that had been too tightly wound around the pole of its electromagnet. He inadvertently plucked the reed, which produced a twang that Bell heard on a second device in another room. This discovery led Bell to change his focus from improving the telegraph to figuring out a way to realize the potential for voice transmissions

Maybe just a random coincidence but considering the first sound transmission took place in 1875 (Alexander Graham Bell) perhaps there may be something to it...

The transmissions are not "sound" they are electromagnetic in nature, for which AGB was not the first person to produce them.

originally posted by: Thebel

originally posted by: blackmetalmist
They had another thread earlier and I posted the following:

On June 2, 1875, while working in one room with their experimental telegraphic device, Watson tried to free a reed that had been too tightly wound around the pole of its electromagnet. He inadvertently plucked the reed, which produced a twang that Bell heard on a second device in another room. This discovery led Bell to change his focus from improving the telegraph to figuring out a way to realize the potential for voice transmissions

Maybe just a random coincidence but considering the first sound transmission took place in 1875 (Alexander Graham Bell) perhaps there may be something to it...

1875? That is quite bizarre indeed when the multiple is 187.5

Mathematically there is no significance between the numbers at all. The bizarreness is just the human brain being 'creative'

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: jonnywhite

I know of a researched that was told to shut up about certain signals and a mundane explanation given. They weren't mundane signals nor were they explainable unless from extraterrestrial intelligence sources and purposeful as there wasn't uniformity, a pattern was established. IMO there is more communication than that which filters to MSM.

With statements like that, you're obliged to provide links to the research.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
a reply to: defuntion

These have been heard before and occasionally surface in MSM.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

phenomena.nationalgeographic.com...

www.newscientist.com...
No no, you can't say that! The nutters on here want to believe everything is suppressed and they MSM is evil!

Are these mystery radio bursts messages from ALIENS? Study finds freak frequencies from outside the Milky Way ALL form unexplained multiples of 187.5
Scientists are trying to work out what is causing Fast Radio Bursts (FRBs)
The strange signals occur for a few milliseconds and come from nowhere
The first was detected in 2007, but only a handful have been seen since
Explanations range from colliding neutron stars to alien signals

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... nexplained-multiples-187-5.html#ixzz3W55SFzYv

nothing to see, move on...............
black holes let not even Light out?????????
they have You fooled.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
My feeling is we'll get something from SETI eventually. It used to be I thought SETI was all BS. I thought our government was lying about UFOs and was just conveniently helping to prop up organizations like SETI to distract the public. However, I kind of grew out of that. I also used to be a christoan, but now I'm an agnostic atheist. People change. And then there's the cancer thing. I used to think we just needed to eat healthy and exercise and care for our environment and symbiosis. I felt back then our lack of respect for nature and other creatures was the reason cancer and other things plagued us. However, I grew out of that. I now believe cancer is much more indiscriminate about who and what it attacks. And while science is showing exercise reduces cancer, there's not much evidence to show eating healthy or 'caring for the environment' will reduce it. Turns out the best weapon we have against cancer right now is 3d chemotherapy. I used to think chemotherapy was evil. Like fake food filled with fake sugar, created merely to fill someone's wallet and to keep us all stupid. I think that, like 3d chemotherapy, SETI will yield real results.

I'm still skeptical of this particular case, though. I recall reading about a woman who worked in astronomy and who came upon some signals while in collaberation with others. She might have been the person they based the character in the Contact movie on. The regular pulses bothered them. She and others speculated the signal they were receiving was ET in origin. Eventually they figured out it was something normal, like neutron star or quasar or something. I can't remember what it was, but it was natural. My feeling is this case has a potential to turn out natural too, but you never know for sure until the science comes in.

EDIT: The woman I was referencing is Jocelyn Bell Burnell. Here's al ink to the story I read probably a few years ago now:
www.bigear.org - Little Green Men, White Dwarfs or Pulsars?...

You are correct, when she discovered pulsars they were designating them LGM. The first pulsar was called LGM-1'

LGM for "little green men".

It wasn't long before we discovered they were not in fact signals from aliens but were a natural object. A rapidly spinning neutron star, which we call pulsars.

These fast radio bursts are most likely natural as they seem to be wide band rather than narrow band. Nature produces lots of wide band radio signals but only technology produces narrow band signals narrower than 1hz.

These fast radio bursts are wider than 1hz therefore probably natural.

BTW: There are already a bunch of ATS threads on FRBs. It seems like every month someone posts one.