Indiana Shut Down Its Rural Planned Parenthood Clinics And Got An HIV Outbreak

originally posted by: Digital_Reality
You can get a test at Walmart and have the results in 20 minutes.

Is it free?

a reply to: KawRider9

Come on, you can't honestly say that closing this Planned Parenthood clinic because of abortion had nothing to do with HIV rates going up. You honestly think that was a good idea? This PP didn't even perform abortions.

a reply to: Digital_Reality

Yes, because heroin addicts are lining up at Wal-Mart to spend $20 on an HIV test when they could be using that money to score more drugs... The whole appeal of Planned Parenthood is that the tests are free.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: KawRider9

Planned parenthood DOES do needle exchanges. That link was from a PP in Cincinnati, but I see no reason to assume that they wouldn't do needle exchanges in Indiana.

See my previous post Krazy, it's illegal to have them there.

Go figure.

~Tenth

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Yea. I just saw that post after I posted and reworded mine. Go figure indeed Lol.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Yup. Nothing prevents HIV like aborting babies.

Be honest. You didn't read the article did you?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Digital_Reality

Yes, because heroin addicts are lining up at Wal-Mart to spend $20 on an HIV test when they could be using that money to score more drugs... The whole appeal of Planned Parenthood is that the tests are free.

Well if they could use their WIC card for it I'm sure they would.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Digital_Reality
You can get a test at Walmart and have the results in 20 minutes.

Is it free?

So exactly why are they entitled to get free anything? Did anyone force them to use drugs or have unsafe sex?
I'm so sick of broke ass losers wanting FREE because they make bad decisions. I would rather use our tax dollars to fund a bridge for turtles.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Yup. Nothing prevents HIV like aborting babies.

Be honest. You didn't read the article did you?

You're right. After reading it and seeing that abortions were not preformed there...I apologize for my knee-jerk reaction.

a reply to: Digital_Reality

They clearly aren't entitled to getting anything for free since the government shutdown the clinic. Funnily enough, all the things that PP could have done to keep this HIV epidemic from occurring are now being considered by these emergency clinics.

I'd bet that these emergency clinics are going to end up costing the taxpayer more money in the long run than if Indiana had just left the PP clinic open.

PS: Your empathy for people struggling with addiction is just outstanding. It really shows that we have a long way to go in this country in regards to recreational drug use and misuse. I wonder if you think these addicts should be in jail for using.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: NavyDoc

Actually according to this article, needle exchanges are currently illegal in Indiana.

I guess PP hasn't been doing exchanges in those areas. But they might soon as there's legislation in the house to bring it into law.

So, the state policies are also to blame for this in a way.

~Tenth

That doesn't mean they were not doing it. PP has been known to "bend the rules" quite often.



If they were not, then their shutting down 5 out of 30 clinics and doing 1000 MORE tests, does not explain why their getting less funding as an organization was the cause of the upswing.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: NavyDoc

Actually according to this article, needle exchanges are currently illegal in Indiana.

I guess PP hasn't been doing exchanges in those areas. But they might soon as there's legislation in the house to bring it into law.

So, the state policies are also to blame for this in a way.

~Tenth

That doesn't mean they were not doing it. PP has been known to "bend the rules" quite often.

If they were not, then their shutting down 5 out of 30 clinics and doing 1000 MORE tests, does not explain why their getting less funding as an organization was the cause of the upswing.

a reply to: NavyDoc

The correlation is that the ONLY clinic for HIV testing and education in Scott county Indiana was shutdown. Since then there has been a huge upswing in HIV cases in Scott county.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Digital_Reality

They clearly aren't entitled to getting anything for free since the government shutdown the clinic. Funnily enough, all the things that PP could have done to keep this HIV epidemic from occurring are now being considered by these emergency clinics.

I'd bet that these emergency clinics are going to end up costing the taxpayer more money in the long run than if Indiana had just left the PP clinic open.

PS: Your empathy for people struggling with addiction is just outstanding. It really shows that we have a long way to go in this country in regards to recreational drug use and misuse. I wonder if you think these addicts should be in jail for using.

I have empathy for people that deserve it. HIV is preventable if they would just stop using drug needles and stop having unsafe sex. Is the only way to handle this to give them an endless supply of needles to get high with and free HIV tests? Because to me it feels like we are just enabling them to continue down the same path.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NavyDoc

The correlation is that the ONLY clinic for HIV testing and education in Scott county Indiana was shutdown. Since then there has been a huge upswing in HIV cases in Scott county.

And lack of testing caused it? So you are suggesting that someone so irresponsible as to inject smack into their veins is suddenly going to become responsible if they test positive and that it was the availability of this test at this one clinic whose parent organization is lobbying for more money was the only thing keeping HIV in check? really?

originally posted by: Digital_Reality
So exactly why are they entitled to get free anything? Did anyone force them to use drugs or have unsafe sex?
I'm so sick of broke ass losers wanting FREE because they make bad decisions. I would rather use our tax dollars to fund a bridge for turtles.

Just asking because in Canada, HIV testing would be free, as it would in most of the civilised world. Rant and rail about drugs and needle use as much as you like, but to ignore it is, in the words of my late ex-father in law, "pissing in yer boot to keep yer foot warm". It's obvious that free HIV testing (and needle exchanges...but I digress), are cost effective in the long run.

originally posted by: Digital_Reality
I have empathy for people that deserve it. HIV is preventable if they would just stop using drug needles and stop having unsafe sex. Is the only way to handle this to give them an endless supply of needles to get high with and free HIV tests? Because to me it feels like we are just enabling them to continue down the same path.

Just to take this conversation full circle...Howze that working out in the unwanted pregnancy department?

a reply to: Digital_Reality

Do you honestly think that is the only thing that PP does when handling drug users? Education is one of the BIGGEST things that PP supplies to the people who come in.

a reply to: NavyDoc

You are trying to simplify PP's involvement in this process into one particular thing. PP provides more than just HIV testing to help drug users.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Soooo, because Nanny Govt wasn't there to hold the hands of people in this area, by dolling out free condoms and needles the people in that area are now dealing with the affect of their actions...


I don't see a problem here.

Ya know, some people aren't meant to do anything in life except suckle from whatever free crap they can get their hands on. When the tit runs dry, I guess they don't survive.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It isn't free. TAX PAYERS are footing the bill.


TAXES are paying for drug users to continue their addiction and for others to have sex.