Lady Adjusting Bra-holster Kills Herself...Concealed Carry Misfires Are Rising?

Could be a number of reasons this could have happened, but the truth is we just don't have enough to go on. Maybe it was a freak accident that happened to a competent gun owner. Maybe it was a competent gun owner who just got complacent. Or maybe she had no business owning a gun in the first place. We may never know, but one thing is for sure…it's not the guns fault. It's the owners fault and there isn't a law that can be passed that will fix any of the reasons this could have happened for. It just is what it is…SAD.

Not surprising.

People lap up the media scare tactics, think a gangster of terrorist is going to come rape or kill em' then decide they need to get a gun or they will be a victim.

These same people have little to no prior firearms training and jump in to handgun ownership.
Edit: I see she did have training, but this sounds like a retreaded spot for loaded gun. What's next a ball-holster for guys?

Being able to safely draw and fire a handgun, is a whole different ballgame than just shooting off a table at the range. Especially with your adrenaline pumping.

Crime statistics have been dropping, the media needs to stfu with the scare tactics. This is what you get.

That was exactly what I meant, lollola reply to: Greathouse

originally posted by: CB328
I always say that guns are much more likely to harm you than help you, but people don't care about reality.

Considering guns don't hurt anyone I don't grant your premise. A person needs to manipulate the gun in order to fire it. If people are going to blame the item instead of the person manipulating the item then does that mean we should outlaw cars because people get drunk, drive and kill someone?

Or maybe you just hear of these cases more now because of the faster spread of media?

Didn't recent news say gun ownership is down? That is despite people rushing to buy guns because of not trusting Obama's policies.

originally posted by: SalientSkivvy
Shouldn't the safety be on a gun at all times unless you need to fire?
How does a toddler unlock the safety? Why would you carry around an unlocked gun in between your chest and have it pointed at your face?
Sorry but that's Darwin awards for both people...

Not all weapons have safeties but, your point is taken.

originally posted by: CB328
I always say that guns are much more likely to harm you than help you, but people don't care about reality.

Of all the people I've ever known the ones who say they've actually needed guns to protect themselves it's almost always because they live in a really poor neighborhood, or out in the country surrounded by other rednecks with guns.

They'd be better off spending their money to move somewhere decent where they don't need to live in fear, but of course that wouldn't give them an excuse to act macho, so they never listen.

How many times do we have to say that people are the issue, not guns. A gun can't do anything by itself.

If you use a hammer, a car, a knife, an axe, a clothing iron, a bathtub or any number of household items incorrectly you can be hurt or killed.

People in nice areas are robbed and/or assaulted all the time. Your statement is loaded with ignorance but that's typical when someone attempts to justify their anti-gun viewpoint.

Wheew.

rawstory sure is scraping the bottom of the barrel lately.

They seem to be blaming this accident on the Republican mindset.

originally posted by: carewemust


On a related note, doesn't it seem as if accidental injuries and deaths from pistols have increased significantly since they've become legal to carry in many states? Two weeks ago a TODDLER riding in the basket at WalMart killed his Mom with a gun she had in her purse. Do concealed-carry laws cause more problems than they solve?

-cwm

Yeah but that incident wasn't two weeks ago. Local to me, it was in December of last year. So are these cases rising despite months going by?

A relative bought her the "gun case" for her purse. Apparently she was experienced with firearms but made a lethal mistake. Would never encourage carrying like that.

a reply to: CB328

what i want to know about is how people can justify having to rely on police to protect your own life especially when truly life endangering situations are long over before they can even respond, even with perfect coverage?

you might have forgotten the desire to survive but why should those who haven't forgotten or who live in dangerous places be forced to live like a sheep unable to protect their own lives?
where do you get off insulting gun owners and acting all superior about your naive way of life, just because you have no problem being helpless and controlled doesn't mean everyone else does.

it's sad when i see how easily this whole protection of life with your own hands is bad propaganda has so widely infected people's minds, non-violence is nice but it's so easy to manipulate defenseless people who trust blindly and who have forgotten how to survive, those with power just love such thinking and behaving.

as for what you said about most support among the poor or red necks? certainly most in the country support gun ownership but most living in the country are middle class and most poor in bad areas do not support it in ignorance and fear because the violence they see regularly.
most support comes from the rich and middle class who know better what happens to people with no power or control over their own life.
fear is natural but too much fear blinds reason and your senses, so tell me, why do you fear the tools of people with control over their own survival? why do you fear being in control of your own life?

Don't let the media screw up your perspective on reality...

Around 600 people are accidentally killed by firearms every year. Around 5,600 people accidentally drown to death in swimming pools each year. So a swimming pool is over 9 times more likely to kill you than your privately-owned firearm.

There are approximately 8,100,000 residential swimming pools in the US. Only half of those are in-ground pools which are more likely to lead to drowning.

There are approximately 310,000,000 privately-owned firearms in the US.

Do I need to provide anymore facts to show how monumentally idiotic it is to claim that firearms are dangerous to own?

originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: CB328

what i want to know about is how people can justify having to rely on police to protect your own life especially when truly life endangering situations are long over before they can even respond, even with perfect coverage?

I agree.. 9 times out of 10 when the police are involved in something its usually as a reaction to something that already occurred.

Secondly, Police in the United States are NOT present to protect the individual, but society as a whole. Considering the times we live in call volume for police increase while resources generally remain the same or less due to funding, creating backlogs and delays in response time. I have seen days where we are slammed with priority calls and not enough officers to go around. We "triage" during those times and try to go to the call with the highest threat. Its a prime example of why police cant protect the individual.

All that is left is personal responsibility / accountability. If a person is going to exercise their rights and purchase a firearm then they need to take it seriously and learn how to use it safely. If you are going to buy a firearm, before you do it, you must answer this one question -

If you buy a gun are you prepared to take another's persons life?

If you cant answer that question then purchasing a firearm may cause more problems than it fixes.

I was thinking that having to retrieve a gun from your bra to defend yourself would be terribly cumbersome and inefficient. Then I did a search and found this video: www.youtube.com...

Actually, with practice, it's easier than rummaging through your purse to find a gun!

originally posted by: carewemust
I was thinking that having to retrieve a gun from your bra to defend yourself would be terribly cumbersome and inefficient. Then I did a search and found this video: www.youtube.com...

Actually, with practice, it's easier than rummaging through your purse to find a gun!

Unfortunately, because most women wear form-fitting clothing, they don't have a lot of options for concealed carry.

and people wonder why Police act standoffish / paranoid when dealing with people.

Does this mean we are to blame the guns or the carelessness of the gun owner they make guns with multiple safeties nowadays like in the middle of the trigger and on the back of the grip so you would have to hold the gun firmly before fired because of accidents like this

a reply to: magnesiumbones

I have only ever owned pistols without safeties and have yet to ever even come close to having an accident. My reasoning is when I need it that extra step is one more in the way of me living. I just never put a finger on the trigger unless I intend to shoot that something. Any other time its in a holster that secures the gun. I won't trade a cool new hiding place for a holster that isn't secure. Obviously she was willing to chance it and it turned out bad...this is where the mistake came.

They say "ignorance is bliss". The Anti-Gun crowd fits the picture to the last detail.

Every single city in America is facing budget crisis's. My suburban neighborhood is no different then 90% of the United states. I know both Police and Firemen very personally, Both departments have been hit very hard with cutbacks. You would get a cold chill if you found out just how understaffed your town is. if only you knew how low the exact number of officers that are patrolling your town this exact hour are. If your house catches on fire, pray another isn't already burning, because your house will be a total loss.

You guys are way to confident in your local infrastructure. You are not even just barely covered, you have no clue how low your chances are if you actually require these services.

How is being a Republican of any consequence? Rawstory kills me with this kind of stuff. Most democrats like guns. You can travel into any ghetto in the U.S. for all the proof you need. If she were a waffle cook then this story would not exist outside of the obituary column and the Darwin Awards. I am very sorry for the family but a rise in conceal carrying misfires doesn't warrant much discussion. Idiots just keep finding ways to be stupid. This is just another case. She couldn't save her from herself. We have an idiot problem, not a gun problem. She had an extended background in weapons, and she still managed to do this. It tells you right in the story, "Her Facebook page is filled with Bible verses". That should send off the alarm for anyone. Open carry is a far more alarming issue IMO. Why not start a thread about that OP?

originally posted by: ventian
How is being a Republican of any consequence? Rawstory kills me with this kind of stuff. Open carry is a far more alarming issue IMO. Why not start a thread about that OP?

Ventian, I did a Google search based on what I remembered reading about this lady in the local Michigan newspaper last month, when I was there visiting family. That RawStory article was at the top of the Google search results, so I used it to start this thread tonight. That's all.

I just did a quick research of "Open Carry", because I've never heard of it. All I can say is...

WOW! re: en.wikipedia.org...

Why do you feel that Open Carry is "more alarming" of an issue than Concealed Carry, Ventian? BTW..thanks for broadening my mind on this issue!
-cwm