Modern day parents just get worse.

a reply to: seeker1963

No, I have never watched Honey BooBoo. I was out looking for a clip I saw on The Soup where the brat took a bunch of mayonnaise that was in the house and filled up a bathtub with it and then starting swimming in it. I couldn't find that one.

But, consider this -- If there is enough mayonnaise in that house to fill the average bathtub ... how much must there actually be on a regular basis? How much of it do those people eat?

Society is always going to hell in a handbasket. My dad used to say it. Before that my grandad did. My great grandad would, too. And I suspect that I come from a long line of Heralds for our trip to hell together.

I can't tell anyone what is right....but I can say that in my household I have tried to let my kids practice self determinism. They get to make choices....and then held accountable for those choices.

My wife is the "wait on them hand and foot" type. My kids know better than to ask me....i just laugh at them, maybe throw an insult at them (they are boys, afterall...and need to be told that they are dorks or whatever frequently.

I say that so long as your kids are going to school and aren't causing trouble for others....you've done a fine job of raising them. Regardless of their eating habits.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: seeker1963

No, I have never watched Honey BooBoo. I was out looking for a clip I saw on The Soup where the brat took a bunch of mayonnaise that was in the house and filled up a bathtub with it and then starting swimming in it. I couldn't find that one.

But, consider this -- If there is enough mayonnaise in that house to fill the average bathtub ... how much must there actually be on a regular basis? How much of it do those people eat?

all that nonsense is staged. Even the renovation shows. One thing I can tell you for certain: Nicole Curtis doesn't spend her days running a Sawzall. No matter what the show wants you to see.

all reality shows are staged. Every single last one. That is how that much mayo ended up in the house.

Protip: most "funniest home videos" anymore are staged, too.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

And the parenting still let her indulge and let the cameras in the house in the first place.

You want to tell me they control what that child eats without the cameras? Or do you think they let her eat more or less what she wants?

originally posted by: nerbot
a reply to: and14263



The little girl in the article will probably grow up with an entitlement mentality and leave a trail of destroyed hearts in her wake.

If her sugar intake holds steady or increases proportionally as she grows up, she'll probably be morbidly obese and toothless by the time she's 13. I don't see much danger of breaking any hearts.

originally posted by: jude11
a reply to: incoserv

I was raised on moose steak for breakfast and damned well ate it all...or else.

My sister decided that all of a sudden she was allergic to moose meat after eating it 4-5 times per week. Dad told her it was beef and she loved it.

Nothing to do with spoiled kids these days but it just came back to me.

Jude11

This totally made me laugh... I was raised on salmon and blackberries and couldn't figure out why salmon was considered a delicacy. Hated both with a passion but salmon sandwiches made for good trades at school, as did blackberry juice. I cringed every time my dad came home with more fish, silently cursing my parents and their back to the land nonsense

I totally get it now... they were broke and it was a healthy way to feed us. Now eat salmon but will go out of my way to avoid a blackberry.

I used to offer my kids dinner as I prepared it or "the special".... cheerios and water Only had to feed "the special" to each once to get the point across.

originally posted by: and14263
This is exactly the type of thing I refer to when I reference the downfall of patenting standards emerging from modern society...

My four year old tells me what to do.

My daughters a fussy eater and she'd east this crap all day if I let her but we have rules and boundaries. She'd starve before putting away three of those in a row.

I am so angry that I cannot and will not reply to this right now.

Really, I am going to refrain from involving myself.

Muppets.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

And the parenting still let her indulge and let the cameras in the house in the first place.

You want to tell me they control what that child eats without the cameras? Or do you think they let her eat more or less what she wants?

I am not a fan of controlling what a child does. Humans cannot be controlled. Not without repercussions.

That said...how many generations has the toxic Food Pyramid been taught as the healthy way to eat? If we are to blame poor parenting for nutrition...it all started right around the World War eras. And is why we have a stable global food supply (for the most part): because people eat in ways predicted by government propaganda.

Add to that the upside down cost of food. To buy the fixings for a salad that provides any protein costs more than a package of hotdogs and buns. Not to mention the ease of throwing some dogs in the microwave to make supper after your 50 hour work week.

Parents are failing at nutrition...sure. The system is geared for it.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: and14263
This is exactly the type of thing I refer to when I reference the downfall of patenting standards emerging from modern society...

My four year old tells me what to do.

My daughters a fussy eater and she'd east this crap all day if I let her but we have rules and boundaries. She'd starve before putting away three of those in a row.

I am so angry that I cannot and will not reply to this right now.

Really, I am going to refrain from involving myself.

Muppets.

I cannot help but comment on this.

Yes I can, kep deleting the rants and breathe...

I teach parenting classes and have for over 15 years, in university, college and other places.

What most of the other posters said is correct:

Offer her healthy choices 3 times a day.

If she doesn't eat them, well tough.

She looks a little pudgy and if she went a week without touching anything else, well that won't hurt her.

Eventually she'll get hungry enough and eat something that is put in front of her.

Probably the mother thinks something bad will happen to the child if she goes a few days without eating, well it won't. By then the girl will be hungry enough to give in.

I bet you the mother is such a doormat and overly indulgent parent
that the thought of her child going hungry for even a day
sends her into guilt ridden shock.

Mom needs to get over it, the pediatrician needs to get firm with Mom.

I remember a story of a teenager who only ate chicken nuggets her whole life and was quite healthy, until she suddenly died at age 17 from malnutrition (she was pudgy too).

This child is headed that direction.

a reply to: jude11

LOL I would not eat rice for any reason as a youngster, home for lunch one day from school and Mom served up chicken noodle soup with a grilled cheese sandwich. I questioned the funny little white things in my soup and Mom told me they were baby noodles. If that what mom says then that is what they are. I gobbled up the first bowl and asked for a bit more because these baby noodles were very good.
I got my second serving and for the life of me I could not figure out why my older brother and my Mom found lunch time so funny? Giggle and Giggle I was too young to clue in but to Mom's credit after I was safely out the back door she mention that the baby noodles were rice.

I ate rice any style and in any dish after that day so I can really relate to the Moose is Beef thing.

On the flip side of things my Dad could hardly tolerate Fowl due to eating it all the time during the depression. Come Christmas time he would tolerate the turkey but it had to be dark meat or forget it. So he tells myself and my older brother that the dark meat comes from the bum of the bird and that is why it is dark.:-)

It took years for me to figure out why he always had a huge smile on his face when he was carving the turkey up and asking both us kids white or dark? Sneaky business for sure but it did the job I would not touch dark meat up until I was about 25 years old now it is what I prefer.

Regards, Iwinder
Laughing too

a reply to: eisegesis

If I ate all my dinner I was allowed two Oreos.

Bribery works a treat....for my boy to get sweets after dinner he has to finish his plate,it was a battle for the first 6 weeks or so....he tried to kick and scream at new food at first now he eats so many new things its great....and as far as the sweets go we make ice blocks from fruit juice(not shop bought but juiced) and he loves it..

To the OP ...yeah that is some pretty poor parenting...letting a 4 year decide the rules will only make life difficult for all involved.....this story reminds me of those stupid shows like"its me or the dog"...people who dont know how to control their animals and need a trainer to show them..and when the do get shown the most simple and obvious commands they say "wow,i never thought of that"

a reply to: grandmakdw

not that i don't disagree with you (i don't)....but as a parent the thought of not feeding my kid for a few days scares the living hell out of me. because all it takes is one errant remark to a teacher to get your entire life opened up for protective services.

Did i ever tell anyone here about the time i got a call because my son had reported i do drugs? Yea....some nitwit teacher put it in his head that cigarettes were drugs (a whole bunch of kids report being told this), so my boy told his teacher that I did drugs.

Maybe we just found another problem beyond the food pyramid and cost: that if parents do what seems reasonable in your suggestion, they run the risk of having their kids taken away. Becuse, you know....our neighbors live to second guess our every move it seems.

The pediatrician sounds as enabling as the mother. I'm having a hard time believing that a doctor is going to tell a parent to let this run it's course and not suggest counseling or some other services, at the very least tell her to let the child go hungry for a few days.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I understand your concern and it is part of the problem our entire nation is in with the young people.

They have their parents scared.
Or rather the government has the parents so scared, they let the kids rule the house.
No wonder the birth rate has dropped so dramatically.
If you are intelligent you are terrified of what the government will do to you if the kid has a problem.
If you are stupid, you just don't care at all and let the kid do whatever as long as it stays out of your hair., and you get the bonus money from Uncle Sam in your welfare check for the kid.
So the intelligent have basically stopped breeding and the stupid throw out more stupid, all thanks to
government interference.

Anyway, all the parent has to do is inform the pediatrician and the school of what their plan is.
The plan is to offer the child well balanced meals three times a day.
They can even photograph the child in front of the meal refusing to eat.

This solution is not cruel, and the parents are not "not feeding the child"
the child is choosing not to eat

If the parent is that afraid of their child then coordination with the pediatrician, with a note from the Doc to the school and the school/day care informed of the coordinated plan, with the school/daycare also participating. Well, there won't be a problem for the parent.

The alternative is she will die young from malnutrition. She may appear healthy, like the girl who only ate chicken nuggets, but she is not. For one thing, young brains need the amino acids that can only be derived from animal protein (ie meat), if the child does not get meat, her brain will be improperly developed.

Believe me I understand the parents feelings, my own daughter one time (age 3) ate a light bulb off the Christmas tree.
We were decorating the tree and she kept saying she was hungry. I told her as soon as we were done decorating the tree, we'd eat dinner which was cooking. At the ER she told the social worker she ate the light bulb because I wouldn't feed her. Fortunately, she also admitted that Mommy told her that she'd get to eat after we finished the tree. I was embarrassed, but she was not taken away from me.

people seem to go too far towards being their child's "friend" instead of being their PARENT.
They get scared of saying No to the kid because when they do, they get in trouble, it's the complete reverse of where it was and where it should be.
They have made themselves slaves to thankless, vain, selfish, wasteful tyrants in a compact size and it goes from there to what we have now, clueless, demanding little turds that believe they are ENTITLED to everything they want, INSTANTLY, future couch potatoes that expect instant gratification of their every WANT, that expect to be constantly entertained at every moment and have absolutely no idea how to entertain themselves or how to deal with a boredom that they created themselves.
And it is the parent's fault, they blame them and they ARE to blame.

Easy fix , put something totally unpalatable in little packets for want of a better word . Slip some peppers in , disguised of course . That or a good crack on the ass and a plate full of vegetables . Precociousness doesn't trump hunger .

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Oh, so I should let my son eat whatever he pulls out of the refrigerator which means tonight he would dine exclusively on Jell-O jigglers and pretty much nothing else?

There has to be some compromise there. If he's going to grow up learning to eat properly, he has to be exposed to and learn how to appreciate things that are more than just gelatin and sugar or hot dog.

So, sure he gets some of the "treat" stuff too, but he has to eat some of the "good" stuff to get it. Thems the rules.

And tonight ... we hit Pizza Ranch, so it's fun food all around, but he'll still have to eat some "healthy" fun food in order to get the ice cream or dessert pizza at the end. He won't just be able to hit the dessert bar to start.

I'm sorry if that's all too controlling for you, but I'm not raising a six pot of yogurt a day and nothing else kid.

Erm, if food control battles are your idea of parenting getting worse, I beg to differ on that.

A "mother" in Detroit murdered 2 of her 4 kids and kept them in their deep freezer for 2 years. Read that one at your own discretion, she abused all of them and no one did anything. Compared to this sack of crap, kids & parents struggling over what's eaten or not is small potatoes, people.