China Appears to Attack GitHub by Diverting Web Traffic

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: AdamuBureido


1-Also, I don't think GitHub is "enciting" anything. It's a public website that allows user-generated content. Additionally, you're misplacing your perceived blame. If someone goes on Facebook and calls for riots and looting do people blame facebook?

2-China also has the option of simply adding Github to it's "blacklist" of sites, as it has done so many times before regarding ways to circumvent the firewall. (Which is already ridiculously easy, by the way) What they're doing is strategic, they're showing "Look what we can do." to the U.S. Government. It's a statement.

1-so the place is not responsible, for allowing things into their house? how convenient.
I imagine there's convenient laws in place to protect NSA's investment . see previous post

2- perhaps china's decided to put their house back in order, the sad thing, is that america's dupes there will be abandoned,
just like uncle sugar abanoned it's freinds during the bay of pigs, or the Hungarian Revolutionaries of 1956.

the west has zero moral standing to be dictating to anybody.

are you from a parallel earth were the world got stuck in the 50's?

HELLLLOOOO!
why is Assange under forced confinement in an embassy
and don't even start with the BS charges brought by sweden...

that you even class wiki as anti-american means you're full of...

The Koolaid

originally posted by: EA006
a reply to: Aazadan

Yeah I wasn't sure. Would it really be expensive? As I say I don't know a lot about networks

It would. We probably have the capability to do it now, but doing so will reveal security holes in the Chinese system. If we make those known, then they can fix them and we will need new security holes to use again in the future should the need arise. It's the same idea as why there was so much intelligence from Enigma that we failed to act on in WW2. You need a damn good reason to reveal security holes to the enemy.

originally posted by: AdamuBureido
are you from a parallel earth were the world got stuck in the 50's?

HELLLLOOOO!
why is Assange under forced confinement in an embassy
and don't even start with the BS charges brought by sweden...

that you even class wiki as anti-american means you're full of...

The Koolaid

Assange is in an embassy because of some invented rape charges that if he stands trial for will see him extradited to the US.

Wikipedia has plenty of information on it that portrays the US government in a bad light, so yes it is anti American. Despite that, the US still can't shut them down because it has no legal standing. Similarly, China has no legal standing to shut Github down. Sooner or later governments are going to have to start defending companies that are within their borders. We already do this with physical companies, so making the jump to digital defense really should be a simple concept.

originally posted by: AdamuBureido

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: BomSquad

This attack on GitHub is potentially much more serious than people might realize.

For many tech startups and even large tech companies, GitHub serves as much more than code libraries; it's repositories are often used as a means to feed the code used by cloud-based hosting platforms such as Amazon Web Services and Google App Engine. If GitHub is down, and the cloud needs to access it for regular code updates (common), this could have a crippling effect on hundreds of companies, if not more.

perhaps they should stick to their raison d'etre
and stay out of politics...

if you built a house with walls about i'm sure you and most people would not appreciate it if the neighbors set about trying to dig holes through it, or under it...

So if I build cage walls around people to limit them and keep them in line you have no problem with that?

originally posted by: AdamuBureido

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: AdamuBureido


1-Also, I don't think GitHub is "enciting" anything. It's a public website that allows user-generated content. Additionally, you're misplacing your perceived blame. If someone goes on Facebook and calls for riots and looting do people blame facebook?

2-China also has the option of simply adding Github to it's "blacklist" of sites, as it has done so many times before regarding ways to circumvent the firewall. (Which is already ridiculously easy, by the way) What they're doing is strategic, they're showing "Look what we can do." to the U.S. Government. It's a statement.

1-so the place is not responsible, for allowing things into their house? how convenient.
I imagine there's convenient laws in place to protect NSA's investment . see previous post

2- perhaps china's decided to put their house back in order, the sad thing, is that america's dupes there will be abandoned,
just like uncle sugar abanoned it's freinds during the bay of pigs, or the Hungarian Revolutionaries of 1956.

the west has zero moral standing to be dictating to anybody.

1- No, GitHub is not liable for what's posted to it's site. Just as ATS isn't liable if some idiot on here starts calling up the people to revolt against the U.S. and overthrow Obama. Just as Facebook isn't liable when people post long winded diatribes aimed a recruiting people to their cult. Just as Twitter isn't liable when ISIS uses them as a launching point for their propaganda campaigns. (Though in defense of twitter, they delete ISIS accounts as soon as they find them)

2- China has every right to put it's house back in order. You're correct, The U.S. has NO right to dictate to them a single damned thing. The trouble is, China is dictating to a U.S. company that if their website doesn't play by China's rules, they'll come under attack. The U.S. has yet to respond to this, and has dictated exactly nothing regarding this incident. It's China being the aggressor, and somehow you've made that out to be "The U.S. should mind it's own business." Well, to be frank, this IS the United States' business when a foreign nation attacks servers on U.S. soil, or attacks companies based in the U.S.

I seems the only Koolaid being consumed here is your particular flavor of "U.S. = EVIL" Koolaid, despite the fact that it is the U.S. that is under cyberattack, not the other way around.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: AdamuBureido

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: BomSquad

This attack on GitHub is potentially much more serious than people might realize.

For many tech startups and even large tech companies, GitHub serves as much more than code libraries; it's repositories are often used as a means to feed the code used by cloud-based hosting platforms such as Amazon Web Services and Google App Engine. If GitHub is down, and the cloud needs to access it for regular code updates (common), this could have a crippling effect on hundreds of companies, if not more.

perhaps they should stick to their raison d'etre
and stay out of politics...

if you built a house with walls about i'm sure you and most people would not appreciate it if the neighbors set about trying to dig holes through it, or under it...

So if I build cage walls around people to limit them and keep them in line you have no problem with that?

you yourself are living on a "farm" that limits you and keep you in line.
just because you can't see the bars of your cages...

people here in the states are so busy bitching about all the illegals crossing what seems to be a non existent border
to notice that attempting to LEAVE the country by merely crossing the border is virtually impossible.

I hate repeating myself but i am not defending the CCP, it's policies, etc.
merely pointing out the double standard and the moral hypocrisy of everyone here already looking to use this as an excuse for violence.
where was the talk by ATS members calling for a retaliatory cyberattack against israel and the us the obvious beneficiaries and spreaders of STUXNET.
causing a nuclear meltdown?
that's a crime against humanity of high order
makes one wonder about fukushima
or if chernobyl was an early test run.

but i digress, if the us had been the "villain" here
then just like with STUXNET,

we'd be witnessing all manner of smirks, and fist-pumping instead

a reply to: AdamuBureido

Well, a lot of the more tech savvy people here have said Stuxnet was a bad idea. In hindsight people have said it was a very bad idea. I've said here more than once that just about every policy of the NSA is contributing towards making us less safe and part of that involves the development of weapons like Stuxnet.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: AdamuBureido

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: AdamuBureido


1-Also, I don't think GitHub is "enciting" anything. It's a public website that allows user-generated content. Additionally, you're misplacing your perceived blame. If someone goes on Facebook and calls for riots and looting do people blame facebook?

2-China also has the option of simply adding Github to it's "blacklist" of sites, as it has done so many times before regarding ways to circumvent the firewall. (Which is already ridiculously easy, by the way) What they're doing is strategic, they're showing "Look what we can do." to the U.S. Government. It's a statement.

1-so the place is not responsible, for allowing things into their house? how convenient.
I imagine there's convenient laws in place to protect NSA's investment . see previous post

2- perhaps china's decided to put their house back in order, the sad thing, is that america's dupes there will be abandoned,
just like uncle sugar abanoned it's freinds during the bay of pigs, or the Hungarian Revolutionaries of 1956.

the west has zero moral standing to be dictating to anybody.

1- No, GitHub is not liable for what's posted to it's site. Just as ATS isn't liable if some idiot on here starts calling up the people to revolt against the U.S. and overthrow Obama. Just as Facebook isn't liable when people post long winded diatribes aimed a recruiting people to their cult. Just as Twitter isn't liable when ISIS uses them as a launching point for their propaganda campaigns. (Though in defense of twitter, they delete ISIS accounts as soon as they find them)

2- China has every right to put it's house back in order. You're correct, The U.S. has NO right to dictate to them a single damned thing. The trouble is, China is dictating to a U.S. company that if their website doesn't play by China's rules, they'll come under attack. The U.S. has yet to respond to this, and has dictated exactly nothing regarding this incident. It's China being the aggressor, and somehow you've made that out to be "The U.S. should mind it's own business." Well, to be frank, this IS the United States' business when a foreign nation attacks servers on U.S. soil, or attacks companies based in the U.S.

I seems the only Koolaid being consumed here is your particular flavor of "U.S. = EVIL" Koolaid, despite the fact that it is the U.S. that is under cyberattack, not the other way around.

1-ATS will delete such threads and pretty quickly. it's called being responsible for what occurs in your house/ on your website
if you allow drugs to be sold from your home, even if you're ignorant of it, and got no money out of the deal
you will be held responsible, and may even lose your home. note also that the hacker tools in question are not published/provided herein.

2- Hu hua... Yamete kudasai, Onee-chan..., at the risk of coming off as an old lolicon talking down to you...
you seem to have a very large blind spot regarding Causality here, one that doesn't allow you to see Uncle sugar's hand here. please reread what i said regarding american's SOP re foreign policy

the big error many are making here is jumping on a bandwagon, probably sponsored by some megacorp
like the ones the poster with east india company delusions/pretensions.

once again: the us pioneered this sort of stuff, and as usual, does it on the sly, and when accused they always laugh and imply the accusers are crazy or delusionally paranoid. yet when in the natural course of things other nations hit back, the psychopaths want to claim they're innocent little lambs under attack.

stop thinking one gang of government mook is better than the other

the world would be a much better and brighter place, if all these goons, aristo-inbreds, and money changers were all rounded up and executed.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: AdamuBureido

Well, a lot of the more tech savvy people here have said Stuxnet was a bad idea. In hindsight people have said it was a very bad idea. I've said here more than once that just about every policy of the NSA is contributing towards making us less safe and part of that involves the development of weapons like Stuxnet.

yes, you'd think they'd learned from the bomb, or did they?
also they're not about keeping us safe, but themselves and their perceived right to rule
indeed, but the genie's been let out we should embrace it without fear

I'm all for anybody wanting to learn hacking and using it to bypass any and all gov. restrictions
especially in china AND Especially the us.

but if you allow yourself to be used as a tool, don't complain when you're set up to be the fall guy
and claimed you've done no wrong.

if you put up a sign in front of your house offering free flares and inviting people to take one and to throw them into the house down the street, don't complain when the owner of that house decides that maybe he'd better burn your house down before you burn his. doing openly what another is doing through proxy [pun intended]

tactics like these have been used against minorities in the us btw, so it's not like certain americans are noobs in these activities.

a reply to: AdamuBureido

I see it much the same way as nuclear weapons. It was wrong to use them in the past, but when you're the only one with a nuke you have little reason to not use it. Once others have the capability it acts as a counterbalance and forces the original nation to stop. Cyber weapons are similar, using them in the first place wasn't right but now that everyone has them all that means is that everyone should stop using them and if the US stands up and defends it's corporations that's precisely what's going to happen.

So far the whole issue is that corporations in the US aren't being protected by the country they're conducting business in. Nations protect shipping lanes, the natural extension of this is protecting data lanes.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Agreed, not only that, an attack by a foreign government on a private U.S. business seems oddly reminiscent of the "Interview" kerfluffle a few months ago when North Korea (likely using Chinese hardware, or simply contracted the Chinese to do it) hacked Sony because of "The Interview".

I think soon Cyberattacks will classified as an act of war if a foreign nation attacks another nations servers, be they public, private, or government.

Given that the US has a "Cyber Command" in it's military structure, and given that the US has a history of industrial espionage

www.washingtonsblog.com...

I don't think any American has the right to criticise others doing the same thing. Pot meet the kettle?

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

America was founded on freedom of speech, so no such firewall will ever exist, and if it does, the people will take it down with unrelenting force.

They don't need a firewall to stop freedom of speech on the internet. They just need a search engine that gives precedence to websites that rank highly with mainstream propaganda. Has it not happened already?

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

America was founded on freedom of speech, so no such firewall will ever exist, and if it does, the people will take it down with unrelenting force.

They don't need a firewall to stop freedom of speech on the internet. They just need a search engine that gives precedence to websites that rank highly with mainstream propaganda. Has it not happened already?

Don't you like your personalised internet?

How about your personalised pricing on Amazon or Steam?

What about personalised policing?

oh look!
The Pirate Bay Blockade In Spain: Spanish Court Orders ISPs To Block TPB
au.ibtimes.com...

why isn't the MSM denouncing this?

BOMB SPAIN!!! REMEMBER THE MAINE!!!

AND HERE'S A KETTLE FOR ALL YOUR POTS!
How the US is using Fascist Methods, Censoring the Internet in other Countries (WORSE than Sopa!)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: bullcat

personalisation has nothing to do with site rankings.

originally posted by: bullcat

Given that the US has a "Cyber Command" in it's military structure, and given that the US has a history of industrial espionage

www.washingtonsblog.com...

I don't think any American has the right to criticise others doing the same thing. Pot meet the kettle?

As an American I reserve the right to criticize anyone, whether it be a foreign power or my own government or the guy down the street. Just because my government might do something questionable doesn't mean I abdicate my right to call out anyone doing questionable things.

Governments conducting industrial espionage to profit private parties is wrong no matter who's government is performing it. But this isn't a case of industrial espionage. This is a case of a government using the power of it's cyber warfare against a private company. This company, which is not responsible for the content that it's members post onto it's website, is being attacked because of 2 pages on it's website that allow people who know about them circumvent censorship and see information that their government would like to deny exists.

Hiding information through censorship from your own citizens shows only weakness. If they believe in their form of government then they should welcome criticism and answer that criticism with arguments on why their way is superior. If it isn't superior, they should welcome the criticism that points this out and strive to improve their government so that it is superior. If the criticism is false, expose the truth, they will be stronger for it.

originally posted by: BomSquad

originally posted by: bullcat

Given that the US has a "Cyber Command" in it's military structure, and given that the US has a history of industrial espionage

www.washingtonsblog.com...

I don't think any American has the right to criticise others doing the same thing. Pot meet the kettle?

As an American I reserve the right to criticize anyone, whether it be a foreign power or my own government or the guy down the street. Just because my government might do something questionable doesn't mean I abdicate my right to call out anyone doing questionable things.

Governments conducting industrial espionage to profit private parties is wrong no matter who's government is performing it. But this isn't a case of industrial espionage. This is a case of a government using the power of it's cyber warfare against a private company. This company, which is not responsible for the content that it's members post onto it's website, is being attacked because of 2 pages on it's website that allow people who know about them circumvent censorship and see information that their government would like to deny exists.

Hiding information through censorship from your own citizens shows only weakness. If they believe in their form of government then they should welcome criticism and answer that criticism with arguments on why their way is superior. If it isn't superior, they should welcome the criticism that points this out and strive to improve their government so that it is superior. If the criticism is false, expose the truth, they will be stronger for it.

Listen to yourself

"as an American I reserve the right to".. so.. you seem to think you have more rights over anybody else in the world?

"This is a case of a government using the power of it's cyber warfare against a private company"

Ahh so its ok if they use it against governments? The US government via the NSA has used their cyber capability to do many things against many governments and companies. I am sure the US Cyber Command/CIA/NSA is sitting playing CoD every day. Maybe you forgot about the Snowden leaks too.

"Hiding information through censorship from your own citizens shows only weakness"

So, where is all this fabled evidence on the downing of the flight with a BUK in Ukraine that the Americans where screaming they had?

originally posted by: AdamuBureido
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

freedom of speech does not allow you to scream fire in a theater
or incite to riot, neh, oni-san?

americans only bring up free speech when they're not being allowed to incite, or are propagandizing and called out on it.

and many americans confuse license with freedom

All your post are anti American. If you hate America and Americans so much

Why the hell are you on an American site?

Also find it funny you don't list where your from while you cry foul over anything american

Hypocrite while u use a site based on free market principles and freedom of speech

originally posted by: bullcat

Listen to yourself

"as an American I reserve the right to".. so.. you seem to think you have more rights over anybody else in the world?

"This is a case of a government using the power of it's cyber warfare against a private company"

Ahh so its ok if they use it against governments? The US government via the NSA has used their cyber capability to do many things against many governments and companies. I am sure the US Cyber Command/CIA/NSA is sitting playing CoD every day. Maybe you forgot about the Snowden leaks too.

"Hiding information through censorship from your own citizens shows only weakness"

So, where is all this fabled evidence on the downing of the flight with a BUK in Ukraine that the Americans where screaming they had?

Just because I state that I reserve the right to criticize anyone doesn't mean I deny anyone else that same right. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

As to governments using cyber warfare against other governments, yes, it is "OK" because it is another tool of statecraft. Governments have been spying, performing espionage, sabotage, bribery, etc. since governments came into existence. This has always been how governments gain strategic and tactical advantages over other governments. I am not so naive to think that my own government doesn't engage in this same type of behavior. But I am also not so naive to think that every other government on the planet isn't trying to do the same exact thing. I accept the world the way it is, with all it's flaws. As long as these practices garner positive results, governments will continue to act in this manner.

When governments turn these same tools against their own citizens they have crossed a line from stewards of the public welfare into tyrants.

As to your last point it is way off topic, let's keep the thread on topic.