Does Iran Have Secret Nukes in North Korea?

I wouldn't trust Iran or North Korea at all, both have lied previously about the scope and dimensions of their nuclear abilities. If I were Iran, I'd purchase a nuclear warhead and missile from NK, paying for it in oil ,which NK desperately needs. It'd be my ace up my sleeves if the SHTF in negotiations, can't really stop a nation from acquiring nukes once they show you they have one already. Iran would get hurt by sanctions but you can't really punish NK with sanctions.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: beezzer
If all Iran wants is a nuclear reactor for power, why doesn't America simply state, "We'll have a team of engineers here in 48 hours. We will help you build one, power it, and you'll have clean nuclear energy for ever."

Because Iran needs something to negotiate with and nukes are it has. Up until they started working on them they had zero chance of getting off santions. Iran does not want nukes, Iran wants what giving them will get it. These people are not stupid they know a nuke means war.

You have a lot of faith in a nation run by a religious sect that doesn't care one iota for its people, only what they determine their magic man in the sky has prophesied for them. Their human rights abuses alone prove this. They believe in prophesies of the end days and that they will face great tribulations, they expect it and look forward to it. They do not walk into peace talks looking to avoid these prophesies but to make them come true.

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession," he said "the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world." Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani

The Palestinians would be under those mushroom clouds, but they are taught their magic man in the sky will protect them.

It requires no faith its is a simple matter of survival for Irans leadership. The people are pro West and could revolt at anytime. The military is not trusted to support the Government so it has been neglected in favor of the loyal Revolutionary guard. It's only allies Russia, is weak and isolated and Syria which does not even control half of its own country. It is surrouded by threats and enemies, The Arab States, The West, ISIS, Israel who all would take a swing at an Iran with a nuke. It economy is in shambles and it has tons of oil and natural gas it can not produce or sell.

Iran is not Cuba where the nobody but, the US supported santions, they are not just going be able to say ok we give up lets be friends. Iran has to give something huge up as a show of good faith. Its nukes are all it has. It tried helping the US out in Afganistan to build some good will against a common enemy and it has done so again against ISIS.

If the US allows the Gulf States to keep their royal families then the Religious leaders of Iran see that so long as they back the US they can stay alive and in power. While at the same time ending any domestic issues with a tons of new jobs and a big boost in the standard of living.

These talks are vital to Irans leadership who know the US is always willing make a deal when it is in the US best interest as they learned from Reagan who sold them arms at a time when relashions were at the absolute worst.

The winners in this deal are the US/West and Iran. The losers in this deal are Israel who loses its biggest threat and excuse to act as it does and most likely US protection at the UN, the Saudi's who might lose their spot as the regional leader, Russia who will see a flood of new oil and natural gas on the market. However, like any nation both the US and Iran are concern with themselves first and that is why these talks are in the best interest of both.

Iran is no better or worse than Egypt and the Gulf States were when we allied with them.

Hold on, you say Russia loses if Iran makes a deal because oil price will stay low with them flooding the market. Does this mean Russia as part of the big 5+1 talks are the obstacle? Why doesn't Iran just tell Russia screw you we want sanctions gone, they could have done that a decade ago. If all they want is regime stability then this decade plus long sanctioning could have been gone long ago by just handing over their material in exchange for a working reactor.

They see the big 5+1 as the colonial powers. They want to be above their influence, they want to be the ones who influence them, not a lowly goal such as regime stability, something they already have had since 1979. They survived millions of deaths in the war with Saddam. All uprisings have been brutally put down. Why should they not be confident in their grip on power? They are currently expanding in the region, not shrinking in like Assad holed up somewhere.

I still see your analysis as misguided wishful thinking, perhaps from ideology.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: beezzer
If all Iran wants is a nuclear reactor for power, why doesn't America simply state, "We'll have a team of engineers here in 48 hours. We will help you build one, power it, and you'll have clean nuclear energy for ever."

Because Iran needs something to negotiate with and nukes are it has. Up until they started working on them they had zero chance of getting off santions. Iran does not want nukes, Iran wants what giving them will get it. These people are not stupid they know a nuke means war.

You have a lot of faith in a nation run by a religious sect that doesn't care one iota for its people, only what they determine their magic man in the sky has prophesied for them. Their human rights abuses alone prove this. They believe in prophesies of the end days and that they will face great tribulations, they expect it and look forward to it. They do not walk into peace talks looking to avoid these prophesies but to make them come true.

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession," he said "the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world." Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani

The Palestinians would be under those mushroom clouds, but they are taught their magic man in the sky will protect them.

It requires no faith its is a simple matter of survival for Irans leadership. The people are pro West and could revolt at anytime. The military is not trusted to support the Government so it has been neglected in favor of the loyal Revolutionary guard. It's only allies Russia, is weak and isolated and Syria which does not even control half of its own country. It is surrouded by threats and enemies, The Arab States, The West, ISIS, Israel who all would take a swing at an Iran with a nuke. It economy is in shambles and it has tons of oil and natural gas it can not produce or sell.

Iran is not Cuba where the nobody but, the US supported santions, they are not just going be able to say ok we give up lets be friends. Iran has to give something huge up as a show of good faith. Its nukes are all it has. It tried helping the US out in Afganistan to build some good will against a common enemy and it has done so again against ISIS.

If the US allows the Gulf States to keep their royal families then the Religious leaders of Iran see that so long as they back the US they can stay alive and in power. While at the same time ending any domestic issues with a tons of new jobs and a big boost in the standard of living.

These talks are vital to Irans leadership who know the US is always willing make a deal when it is in the US best interest as they learned from Reagan who sold them arms at a time when relashions were at the absolute worst.

The winners in this deal are the US/West and Iran. The losers in this deal are Israel who loses its biggest threat and excuse to act as it does and most likely US protection at the UN, the Saudi's who might lose their spot as the regional leader, Russia who will see a flood of new oil and natural gas on the market. However, like any nation both the US and Iran are concern with themselves first and that is why these talks are in the best interest of both.

Iran is no better or worse than Egypt and the Gulf States were when we allied with them.

Hold on, you say Russia loses if Iran makes a deal because oil price will stay low with them flooding the market. Does this mean Russia as part of the big 5+1 talks are the obstacle? Why doesn't Iran just tell Russia screw you we want sanctions gone, they could have done that a decade ago. If all they want is regime stability then this decade plus long sanctioning could have been gone long ago by just handing over their material in exchange for a working reactor.

They see the big 5+1 as the colonial powers. They want to be above their influence, they want to be the ones who influence them, not a lowly goal such as regime stability, something they already have had since 1979. They survived millions of deaths in the war with Saddam. All uprisings have been brutally put down. Why should they not be confident in their grip on power? They are currently expanding in the region, not shrinking in like Assad holed up somewhere.

I still see your analysis as misguided wishful thinking, perhaps from ideology.

The only person that really has any power over santions is the US. That is why Iran has them and Israel does not. Iran;s economic conditions have continued to get worse. Iran has had to back down from new rules and edict several times now because of public backlash. The regime is far from secure. It is pouring money and men to keep its only ally Syria from complete collapse because with that they lose Lebanon and Hezbollah as well. Syria was Irans only counter to the Arab States. And now the very forces it needs for its own regimes security are off proppling up Assad. On top of that as more and more global pressure is put on Israel, the harder Israels rhetoric against Iran gets.

Iran also knows that the only way it can remain a player in the region and secure its leadership at home is a deal with the US. The US best option to maintain a stable region is Iran back under it umbrella. None of this is wishful or ideological, it simply is.

It's not impossible but as of this moment, looks like US has no concrete basis to assume that this is all true and sensible.