Does Iran Have Secret Nukes in North Korea?

If this is true...and there certainly seems to be enough circumstantial evidence that it is...then this is game-changing, where the Obama/Kerry Iranian Nuclear Deal is concerned.
When Obama reads about this in the newspapers...he's going to be really upset.

Washington’s nuclear deal with Tehran depends on aggressive inspections inside Iran. But the mullahs may well have a secret program outside their borders.

In October 2012, Iran began stationing personnel at a military base in North Korea, in a mountainous area close to the Chinese border. The Iranians, from the Ministry of Defense and associated firms, reportedly are working on both missiles and nuclear weapons. Ahmed Vahidi, Tehran’s minister of defense at the time, denied sending people to the North, but the unconfirmed dispatches make sense in light of the two states announcing a technical cooperation pact the preceding month.

But no inspections of Iranian sites will solve a fundamental issue: As can be seen from the North Korean base housing Tehran’s weapons specialists, Iran is only one part of a nuclear weapons effort spanning the Asian continent. North Korea, now the world’s proliferation superstar, is a participant. China, once the mastermind, may still be a co-conspirator. Inspections inside the borders of Iran, therefore, will not give the international community the assurance it needs.

he cross-border nuclear trade is substantial enough to be called a “program.” Larry Niksch of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., estimates that the North’s proceeds from this trade with Iran are “between $1.5 billion and $2.0 billion annually.” A portion of this amount is related to missiles and miscellaneous items, the rest derived from building Tehran’s nuclear capabilities.

Iran has bought a lot with its money. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, thought to be Tehran’s chief nuclear scientist, was almost certainly in North Korea at Punggye-ri in February 2013 to witness Pyongyang’s third atomic test. Reports put Iranian technicians on hand at the site for the first two detonations as well.

The North Koreans have also sold Iran material for bomb cores, perhaps even weapons-grade uranium. The Telegraph reported that in 2002 a barrel of North Korean uranium cracked open and contaminated the tarmac of the new Tehran airport.

In addition, the Kim Jong Un regime appears to have helped the Islamic Republic on its other pathway to the bomb. In 2013, Meir Dagan, a former Mossad director, charged the North with providing assistance to Iran’s plutonium reactor.

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originally posted by: IAMTAT
enough circumstantial evidence that it is...

You lost me at circumstantial evidence.



We have had enough wars based on "circumstantial evidence".


This is just paranoid war/fearmongering now.

a reply to: crazyewok

Yea, I suppose you're right...we should just pretend that secret North Korean military base housing Iranian missile and nuclear weapons specialists doesn't exist.

This is American paranoia at it's best...

Come on America, you can do better.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Or just stop believing in everything we read online.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: crazyewok

Yea, I suppose you're right...we should just pretend that secret North Korean military base housing Iranian missile and nuclear weapons specialists doesn't exist.

No we should investigate further.

Get solid proof then take action from there.

Not just go in gung ho and half cocked like 2003.


Seeing as no one has access to North Korean bases I find it hard to believe anyone knows whats going on in them.

Sure North Korea has Nuclear missiles. We know that.
But I think Iranian links need exploring much further.


Seeing as North Korea were testing there bombs long before Obama came into office would mean Bush would have been aware of ant intel that proved such things. If it was solid evidence you would have though he would of acted?

a reply to: IAMTAT

No,

but if the are secret then who is going break the bond of secrecy and spill the beans if there are any to be spilled.

Seriously, any country would only store their nukes in a foreign land if they already have enough nuclear power to threaten the country storing them if they chose to say Nah, these bombs belong to us now.

If Iran haven't got Nukes in their own country and means of striking anywhere at any time to use in diplomacy like the other powers do then they aint going to store their first lot of weapons that might give them a place at the table of power in another country where the other country could simply refuse them and claim the weapons belong to them now.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: crazyewok

Yea, I suppose you're right...we should just pretend that secret North Korean military base housing Iranian missile and nuclear weapons specialists doesn't exist.

Or use some simple logic.


Would Iran if they have no weapons in their own possession store them where they could possibly loose their use if they chose to use them, would any country?

If so, then that is the dumbest leadership in my opinion.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Man these secret base's of theirs both in iran underground and now in NoKo aren't very secret it seems.


So if they already have the nukes, why haven't they used them?
Thought they are hell bent on using them as soon as they get them

Okay. It seems I'm taking the unpopular view. I guess if you can't trust North Korea and Iran when it comes to secret nuclear weapons...who can you trust? Am I right?

a reply to: IAMTAT

We can't even trust our own countries to not be selling weapons, nukes, weapons grade uranium, weapon components, etc etc on the black market to foreign nations, enemy countries, questionable rebel groups, and terrorist cells.

So your point is... ?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Okay. It seems I'm taking the unpopular view. I guess if you can't trust North Korea and Iran when it comes to secret nuclear weapons...who can you trust? Am I right?

Im not saying you should trust them.

Only you need REAL evidence before any action.

Would you march the USA army into Iran and Korea based on this circumstantial evidence?

Come on would you?
Would you be marching with them?



Fact is we could say North Korea and Iran are breeding a race of flying super solders with lasers for eyes, should we invade because we cant prove otherwise? We cant prove there not in there underground bunkers can we?

Too much crying wolf

The message is lost in the noise

a reply to: IAMTAT

It seems I'm taking the unpopular view.

Its not a popularity contest, but what you saying is illogical from my point of view.

More logical if NK were storing Nukes in Iran,

NK already has them and has delivery systems that could target Iran I believe so they have that edge over them if Iran would say No you cant have back or use them when you want to because we are keeping them to ourselves.

The other way around with Iran storing in NK just doesn't work unless the leadership and people advising the leadership are complete morons and haven't thought about the scenario.

I seriously couldn't care less who has or who wants, its all about new forms of diplomacy ever since the weapons were created.

Most nations haven't got a say when things go sour and its the few nations that have and control the nuclear power that can dictate how the play is acted out if things go sour with business dealings of selling or gaining anothers resources.

Due to globalization and how corporations own nations natural resources that are used in international trade markets Nukes only come into play or are used as leverage when one side decides war as an option due to sanctions placed upon them and has the backing of another nation that is already a nuclear power, then discussions about the end of world might affect what happens and deals are done. One country always looses out but gains to keep it nation and the whole world doesn't end due to nuclear war.

When these things come into the public spot light it only helps the leaders of each nation gain support by the fear spread of nuclear war and how each country is doing their best for their own people, it also creates a divide in each country which too helps the leadership keep control if they play their cards right.

Its a complex game or play with many levels or sub plots playing out all at the same time.

Its been happening for 60 years now in that fashion to one degree or another.

Its a sick joke until someone doesn't get the punchline and a bomb is detonated and wipes out a small portion of a population which then would most likely lead to MAD scenario.

Apparently Iran, North Korea and Syria have a secret base on the dark side of moon with hidden Chemical nuclear weapon!


I cant prove it cause the bases are secret but we cant prove they are not there!

We must invade the moon!!!!

a reply to: IAMTAT

It's that you only have circumstantial 'evidence' and then just saying "these guys are bad so that should be enough".

a reply to: crazyewok

Probably have sharks with freaking lasers one their heads too!!

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: crazyewok

Probably have sharks with freaking lasers one their heads too!!

OMG!!!!

Its all Obama fault! His careless foreign policy on the moon has doomed us all!

Iran has sharks of mass destruction! We must bomb Iran on the moon!

We cant prove it but we also cant prove they are not there either so we need to bomb it just in case

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Okay. It seems I'm taking the unpopular view. I guess if you can't trust North Korea and Iran when it comes to secret nuclear weapons...who can you trust? Am I right?

Im not saying you should trust them.

Only you need REAL evidence before any action.

Would you march the USA army into Iran and Korea based on this circumstantial evidence?

Come on would you?
Would you be marching with them?



Fact is we could say North Korea and Iran are breeding a race of flying super solders with lasers for eyes, should we invade because we cant prove otherwise? We cant prove there not in there underground bunkers can we?

I appreciate your reasoned thinking and points...at least until the Austin Powers nonsense.
But let me be clear...I am not advocating invading North Korea based on circumstantial evidence.
What I am stating is that more needs to be known about this potential game-changing situation...BEFORE we make a nuclear deal with Iran...rather than ignoring it, as we rush ahead with a deal.

Isn't it simple caution, being responsible and worth finding out more before we make a deal with Iran?
Especially considering the ramifications if it is true?

Just today, for the sake of concluding a deal with the P5+1 negotiators, Russia offered to hold Iran's current store of enriched uranium in escrow for the duration of a nuclear deal....and Iran REJECTED Russia's offer.

a reply to: crazyewok

We must invade the moon!!!!

I already thought we have,

Nasa bombing and crashing things into it,

Cmon its obvious it was take out the secret bases.



I hate joking about such things but why not try and lift the mood a little instead of letting the paranoid thinking the media are creating daily take over and create such debates or lines of thinking, fear sells probably better than sex sells these days.