Guide to the FLAT EARTH

a reply to: matt1893
You do know you can also travel around a circle as well right?

What you have suggested, does not prove that the world is a globe.

Also ask yourself, why have people only every travelled around the world west to east or east to west, but not north to south or south to north?

just sayin.

a reply to: TheDon

I think you can study a bit of history of navigation, specially cronometer

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

..more, how do you explain different timezone?

...Enought, I'm alredy tired.. that's no point here..

a reply to: matt1893
Your point?

As I said you can navigate around a circle as well.

Actually not looked into timezones regarding the flat earth theory so I can't explain that from a flat earth point off view.

Maybe this is not a topic for you if you find it tiring.

a reply to: TheDon

I posted a few videos a few pages back LINK, which i still believe are a very good example regarding not seeing the curvature off the earth.

Amazing, because even one of your own sources debunked your fantasy of a flat Earth and yet you still keep going.

But since you like Youtube videos here you go...

On a side note as well and a question, why is it when planes are cruising at high altitude, they do not make course, corrections, dipping downwards to account for the curvature off the earth?

If you fly at an altitude of 35000 ft you will stay at the same distance from the ground all the way around the Earth. the height doesn't change because the Earth is round...the same applies for a moon orbiting a planet.

Here one last video for you...

a reply to: Lazarus Short

Because you chose to, along with a lot of others, turning a potentially interesting discussion into an orgy of badgering and name-calling.

And calling us wrong because he has misunderstood evidence is the same thing.

What is interesting about something that has been debunked since the time of Christopher Columbus?

It just follows the most common thread pattern here on the [NEW!] [IMPROVED!] ATS.

And it follows what this site is all about...look to the right and left of this post.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

You can't make a post without throwing an insult can you?

Even though many times I have stated though out this thread I find this topic intresting and am not looking to change people beliefs or anything, I just want to discuss the topic and ask questions.

You are obviously not intrested in doing that and seem hell bent on pushing your beliefs on others, so based on that i see no point in even discussing this topic with you.

So with that I will say thank you, but no thanks.

have a good easter.

Another part of the flat earth theory that I also found interesting, and which also lead me down a path were I discovered some new information, new information is always good

Is Maps.

How many of you know this map?


I am guessing pretty much most of you grew up with this map in school and saw it many times being pulled down in front of the blackboard, or whiteboard depending how old you are :-)

All my life I believed this map to be a true representation of the planet with lived on.

This map is the Mercator projection from 1569, note 1569

Now if you look at what they have been trying to introduce as the new map.


What a difference right?

This map is the Gall–Peters projection

Maps based on the projection are promoted by UNESCO, and they are also widely used by British schools.

An overlay so one can see the differences more clearly


One can read about it and find that the Mercator projection map was used to highlight Europe and also to show the shipping routes easier.

I don't know about others, but i now ask the question, why have we been taught and lead to believe the Mercator projection map, which is nearly 500 years old! is a true representation of the world we live on?

Why is this map still being used until this day in text books etc?

IMO, this just shows how easy we are duped into believing something which is not true.


For me it just makes me dig deeper.

And to finish off, since this a flat earth thread we have this.


What I find most interesting about this map is that it is not only used for the flat earth theory but is also used in the UN logo and flag.


Which then leaves me to ask a number off questions,
Which map should we believe?
Why have I and many others been taught the Mercator projection map is the correct map of the world we live on?
Also, why is the UN using a map off the flat earth?

IMO gets one thinking at least.

Thanks

a reply to: TheDon

You can't make a post without throwing an insult can you?

What insult?

If the truth is what you consider insults...you aren't going to like being here very long.

Even though many times I have stated though out this thread I find this topic intresting and am not looking to change people beliefs or anything, I just want to discuss the topic and ask questions.

No your trying to push this for some unknown reason, be cause you keep trying to introduce what you think backs your fantasy without actually paying attention to what you have been provided.

But why would be the big question?

You are obviously not intrested in doing that and seem hell bent on pushing your beliefs on others, so based on that i see no point in even discussing this topic with you.

My beliefs are from actual science and research, so if you are serious about understanding this you would do some...and it seems you have only done research that backs your belief of the flat Earth theory...or you wouldn't be trying so hard to push it while denying the fact that the Earth is not flat.

And not wanting to discuss the topic with other members that see the world is not flat shows you really don't want to discuss it in the first place.

a reply to: TheDon

Another part of the flat earth theory that I also found interesting, and which also lead me down a path were I discovered some new information, new information is always good

Is Maps.

Maps really?

And what about these...Globes?

How do those figure into the flat Earth theory?

Why is this map still being used until this day in text books etc?

Because a globe is harder to fold up when you close a book.

This map is the Gall–Peters projection

And this shows your not into discussing how misrepresenting your making this information, but are trying to push this theory as being real.

Also, why is the UN using a map off the flat earth?

Could it be because the paper they print it on isn't 3 dimensional?

Seriously your trying way to hard to prove something that was proven wrong in 1492 by a man named Christopher Columbus...look it up you may actually learn something.

So On my journey into looking into the flat earth theory, Off course one has to look at how the sun and moon would work on a flat earth model, and also looking at the other side off the coin what we are told how it does work with the globe model.
Also let me add again for them late to this thread or who have not read my other posts, I am not saying the earth is flat.

As I mentioned in an earlier post HERE, and to do a shameless quote from that post.

I will admit I have a bias, a little to main stream science, but this in not due to that I don't believe them, but more to the fact that of were it comes from and how we are taught from the moment we go to school that this is it and this is fact and everything else is wrong.

So with that in mind I have always wondered about the midnight sun and how it is seen from the northern hemisphere.
Living in Sweden I have had the chance on many occasions, to travel to the north off Sweden and I have witnessed myself the midnight sun, and when I have seen it I always wondered looking at the way it travelled across the the sky why does it take the path it does, because it never did look right to me.

So whilst researching I came across the following video.

Now for some, this might be a bit hard for them to actually just to get the head around the video, not the content but the 3D representation that it is presenting, for thoughs like myself that might have worked with 3d modelling, lighting etc then it should not be a problem, but for others, it might be difficult, as turning a 2D perspective into 3D can seem a bit confusing.
Anyway the video got me thinking once I watched it as I thought it brought up some very provocative questions regarding what we are taught, especially having some experience in 3D modelling and lighting.


Now I am not saying this video or this theory is correct, but it sure did get me thinking once again, regarding what i was taught and also what i have personally witnessed regarding the midnight sun.
Also on a side, note, I found the clouds information in the video and how we view them very provocative, which I will look into further.

Either way the video got me thinking some more and I thought others might find it interesting regarding the sun and the flat earth theory.

peace.

Well, a flat earth would contradict most of what we know of physics, and if it were true the universe wouldn't exist.

Gravity tends to pull things into spheres and spirals, whether it be the water going down my drain, the formation of planets, or the formation of solar systems and galaxies. You don't see many "flat" objects.

I can see with my own eyes the moon is spherical, why would the earth form differently?

I have been to the other side of the world many times, where does this "edge" of the flat earth exist? Wouldn't I have seen it cruising at high-altitudes?

I have seen orbiting satellites hundreds of times at night. How would they orbit a flat object?

Do I think for a minute you believe this? No. Who are you working for and what is the purpose of this nonsense exercise?

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Well, a flat earth would contradict most of what we know of physics, and if it were true the universe wouldn't exist.

Don't know if it would totally contradict most off everything we know about physics, but for sure many things would have to change if it were true. Regarding the universe, what do we know about it as it stands now? everything we do know is what we are told about it.

Gravity tends to pull things into spheres and spirals, whether it be the water going down my drain, the formation of planets, or the formation of solar systems and galaxies. You don't see many "flat" objects.

From my understanding, the flat earth theory has another take when it comes to gravity, well actually a few depending were you look.

I can see with my own eyes the moon is spherical, why would the earth form differently?

So can I as well, but what is the moon?, Also as you stated yourself it is spherical, we only see one side, so how do we know it is a globe? Yet again we are told what it is.

I have been to the other side of the world many times, where does this "edge" of the flat earth exist? Wouldn't I have seen it cruising at high-altitudes?

If the disk model of the flat earth is to be used then the edge would be around the outside off the circle, which would be antarctica, there is a picture off that in my map post a few posts up. Regarding seeing it, then there would not be a conspiracy now would there? Also have you every wondered even when flying at high altitudes that the horizon is still at eye level? I have.

I have seen orbiting satellites hundreds of times at night. How would they orbit a flat object?

According to the flat earth theory, there is not satilites, or space. This also is one of the big pitfalls in the theory I see as well which I have talked about in my previous posts, if you care to read them.

Do I think for a minute you believe this? No. Who are you working for and what is the purpose of this nonsense exercise?

As many it would seem who have come to this thread, you have not read it, because if you did then you would not ask such questions. Nonsence is your opinion, which off course you are entitled to.

Hope I have answered some off your questions either way.

Thanks.

a reply to: TheDon

There are actually dozens more map projections you can check out here.
I've always found the various projection methods interesting for their strengths and weaknesses. Thought you might like these additional types. Enjoy!

a reply to: TheDon

I don't care if this is a globe. I hope everyday that the flat earth theory is right, and that dragons still exist so I can go sail off into the mists with my Viking brethren to bring home a dragon pet. I mean slay a dragon! I only say flat earth must be included because after I have finally died of a long glorious life they would do me the honor of sailing me in a Viking boat on fire off the edge of the world.

a reply to: pfishy
I am aware that there is many map projections as per your link, but as you can see from your own link all off them apart from the Gall–Peters projection map, are showing pretty much the same size continents as per the Mercator projection map. Which I pointed out in my privious post, pretty much everyone that went to school was taught is a a true representation of the world we live on and is still used widely to this day.

a reply to: Nosollar
Well if the flat eath model is true that is being suggested, then you won't be sailing off no edge, as the edge would be antarctica and you would be faced with a 2 mile high wall off ice.

So maybe a better opition would be maybe to have your "dragon pet" fly you off the edge

a reply to: TheDon

TheDon, I applaud you buddy. You must have the thickest skin to bat off the abuse given so far, this is a fun thread to read, disappointed by some of the negative replies though

I don't think anyone at the Flat Earth society actually believes it is flat, it's just a thought experiment to highlight or instill a notion that we should question the world around us more, which is what ATS used to be about. Maybe we are all just ants on a superdome...

If the Earth and Moon are flat, is Saturn also flat? If so, how do the rings work, which we see at various angles from face on to edge on ....

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