Is The Army is Prepping for Modern-Day Martial Law - July 15 - Sept. 15

originally posted by: PorteurDeMort

originally posted by: Seamrog
This is what happens when troops come to train in your town:

Navy Seals Don't like to have their training disturbed - in YOUR town.


OBEY.

Do they have any legal right to detain anyone? I would think that would be a lawsuit waiting to happen?

The point is that those guys training there didn't give a $@#t.

The civilian that happened to wander into their training area was told if he advanced further he would be shot with rubber bullets. There are more than a few newspaper articles about it.

I am familiar with this area. It is an abandoned (small) port facility that is immediately adjacent to a residential neighborhood. It is directly across from Parris Island and 10 miles from MCAS Beaufort, so there are lots of military resources in the area. Not common ground for seals, but obviously resourceful for them and whatever mission they were preparing for. The guy that 'didn't get the message' that training was taking place there wandered a block from his house to see what the gunshots were about, and he was treated like a criminal. If he hadn't backed down, it could have ended badly.

I love our military, and I want to allow them to train to be the best in the world, but the place for that is not in civilian America.

Or is it?

a reply to: Seamrog

The guy that 'didn't get the message' that training was taking place there wandered a block from his house to see what the gunshots were about, and he was treated like a criminal. If he hadn't backed down, it could have ended badly.

Yes it could have. Not much can be extrapolated from a few seconds worth of video. But if what you are saying is accurate then they approached him like I would a person at a range who walks passed the firing line without calling for a ceasefire. I won't be nice about it either.

You don't just "go see what the gunshots are about" that is stupidity. Even blanks are dangerous and from the looks of the video he was probably asked more than once to go away.

Military training isn't safe. You don't just wander into a training area and expect military personnel to be happy about it.

a reply to: seeker1963

I didn't list "patriotic opinions".

I listed facts connected to this training.

a reply to: projectvxn

This was not a training area - it is a neighborhood.

Public stupidity is exactly why you don't train in a residential neighborhood.

I don't fault the SEAL for keeping the civ out of the exercise, but I do fault him for being an ass about it. The area the civ was walking is in the middle of a public street less than one block away from family homes.

The port is fenced and gated off with 6' CL topped with barb wire - that video was shot at least 100 yards outside the gate. The SEALS were training in the residential area.

Given they may have been training for a mission that closely fit the area - it still worries the hell out of people who are worried about their government.

a reply to: Seamrog

Is there more of the video?

So what is it? About once a year one of hundreds of miltary exercises in the US gets noticed and made into some kind of big marial law is coming with lots of the sky is falling nonsense. Then the exercise goes off, nothing happens, nobody notices and everybody forgets about it until about a year later we start the same song and dance. So what triggers it? Slow news week? Somebody new who never heard of such things going for a hundred years notices and things they have made a big discovery? Or do some people hope againt hope it is real so they can escape their drearly lives? Whatever the reason, I am sure we will be doing this same dance next year and the year after etc.

originally posted by: MrSpad
So what is it? About once a year one of hundreds of miltary exercises in the US gets noticed and made into some kind of big marial law is coming with lots of the sky is falling nonsense. Then the exercise goes off, nothing happens, nobody notices and everybody forgets about it until about a year later we start the same song and dance. So what triggers it? Slow news week? Somebody new who never heard of such things going for a hundred years notices and things they have made a big discovery? Or do some people hope againt hope it is real so they can escape their drearly lives? Whatever the reason, I am sure we will be doing this same dance next year and the year after etc.

Take your pick.

My thought is this is an actual training drill with a secondary objective of gathering Intel on southern state militias in rural areas. I have found multiple different county announcements and "town halls" spoken to by the planners of the operation. Many have not had this type of training done in them. 50-60 operators in each area for most. Great opportunity to gather Intel by those trained to do just that.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: seeker1963

I didn't list "patriotic opinions".

I listed facts connected to this training.

So are you the military type to take and obey orders or are you one who obeys your Oath?

A blunt response to me gets a blunt response back....

You can spout military operations and their purposes all day long, but why are you avoiding my question on the Constitutional Free Zone in relevance to the topic of this OP?

a reply to: seeker1963

I am not avoiding anything.

I simply chose not to address an issue that has been discussed ad nauseum. Those 100 mile constitution free zones, as far as my personal opinion, are not right. But beyond legislation and political action to put an end to an agency regulatory action, which is what the zone is, I'm not sure what you expect me to say or do about it.

Your question about the oath I took is just one of many examples of the paranoia I see around here. You people act as though every one who wears a uniform will suddenly turn into a Nazi and start taking you and yours to the camps to be slaughtered.

You act as though questioning what I do is somehow "standing up to the man" as if I hold all the keys or something.

I don't. I'm just a crew chief/door gunner in an air assault unit that is soon to be tasked with the mission set I mentioned. We will be part of the exercises in one capacity or another over the 12 months our division is on call for DCRF.

That's it. That's the end of it.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Odd mix of folks I think. I am sure this mix has happened before, but lumping DEA and FBI in with elite special forces groups seems strange.

I know the FBI has an equivalent to a SpecOps team, I wonder if the DEA does also.
That might explain it more.

FBI has the Hostage Rescue Team, which is a sort of super swat team. They have a very dynamic mission, and some agents have tainted the rep of the unit over the years. The ones that I've met were solid guys and great operators.

DEA does not have an equivalent unit. Their entry teams are made up of regular agents of task force members. DEA is of the mindset that all agents can do all jobs.

a reply to: seeker1963

Hasnt the "border zone" been codified since like...the 50s or something?

I'm not arguing about the existence, or the legality of what goes on in the zone, but rather the idea that DHS created the zone. I think it's been around quite a bit longer than DHS has.

a reply to: Shamrock6

The border zone used to be just a ten or 15 mile stretch from the border inward to allow for the apprehension of illegals and traffickers a bit further in without too much legal paperwork.

What it is today is far beyond that. It isn't just the borders, it is any coastal region and it stretches 100 miles inland and the federal police powers are broader with respect to how they treat American citizens, let alone illegal aliens.

a reply to: projectvxn

Well I found a case from the 70s that was an appeal on 4th amendment grounds that the subject was 25 miles from the border, and it cites the "100 air miles" ability of Customs to conduct warrantless searches. It cites a couple different code sections. I think it's been around a while. For what it's worth, I think the search was in fact deemed in violation of the 4th, but the government cited the 100 air mile limit as their justification for the search.

As far as I know, the 12 mile limit is twelve nautical miles, and external rather than internal.

law.resource.org... Case I talked about

To clarify: I'm not a supporter of the 100 mile zone idea at all. Not even remotely. I just had a tickle in my brain that the 100 mile thing has been around for a while, and went off on a tangent. My bad amigos

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: MrSpad
So what is it? About once a year one of hundreds of miltary exercises in the US gets noticed and made into some kind of big marial law is coming with lots of the sky is falling nonsense. Then the exercise goes off, nothing happens, nobody notices and everybody forgets about it until about a year later we start the same song and dance. So what triggers it? Slow news week? Somebody new who never heard of such things going for a hundred years notices and things they have made a big discovery? Or do some people hope againt hope it is real so they can escape their drearly lives? Whatever the reason, I am sure we will be doing this same dance next year and the year after etc.

Take your pick.

My thought is this is an actual training drill with a secondary objective of gathering Intel on southern state militias in rural areas. I have found multiple different county announcements and "town halls" spoken to by the planners of the operation. Many have not had this type of training done in them. 50-60 operators in each area for most. Great opportunity to gather Intel by those trained to do just that.

On militas? What would be the point. They are not threat at a national level and not something the military would waste time with. That would be a law enforement problem and something law enforcement is much better at handling with long term investigations. Let us not pretend militias are a military threat.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: MrSpad
So what is it? About once a year one of hundreds of miltary exercises in the US gets noticed and made into some kind of big marial law is coming with lots of the sky is falling nonsense. Then the exercise goes off, nothing happens, nobody notices and everybody forgets about it until about a year later we start the same song and dance. So what triggers it? Slow news week? Somebody new who never heard of such things going for a hundred years notices and things they have made a big discovery? Or do some people hope againt hope it is real so they can escape their drearly lives? Whatever the reason, I am sure we will be doing this same dance next year and the year after etc.

Take your pick.

My thought is this is an actual training drill with a secondary objective of gathering Intel on southern state militias in rural areas. I have found multiple different county announcements and "town halls" spoken to by the planners of the operation. Many have not had this type of training done in them. 50-60 operators in each area for most. Great opportunity to gather Intel by those trained to do just that.

On militas? What would be the point. They are not threat at a national level and not something the military would waste time with. That would be a law enforement problem and something law enforcement is much better at handling with long term investigations. Let us not pretend militias are a military threat.

They proved to be a federal threat at Bundy Ranch....

a reply to: Shamrock6

DEA does have Foreign-deployed Advisory and Support Teams (FAST) teams.

www.drugenforcementedu.org...

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Indeed they are preparing for martial law

I will create a FEMA camp thread

When I was in the Army (30 years ago), and stationed at Fort Hood Texas, we spent the entire months of February, May, and September 'in the field' training. Massive training exercises covering months at a time happen all the time and have happened for decades. It's smart training. If the US Army was training side by side with UN troops for Martial Law for months on end, then I'd be a bit more worried.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Wouldn't it be sort of typical if something were to happen in one of these towns? Disaster always seems to strike wherever there's simulations and training exercises.

It is interesting though, how heavily SOCOM has been expanding their operations and their reach.

www.tomdispatch.com...

This is probably somewhat tied to that expansion.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: here4this
Just watched something on this on the news. They were saying the actual operations would test the capability of the military to "blend in" with the normal population of these states...hmmm . This SHOULD raise a "red flag" with everyone.

I don't know how trustworthy the Houston Chronicle is, but they have a quote from local LEO that backs up your statement:

Among the planned exercises, soldiers will try to operate undetected amongst civilian populations in some towns and cities where residents will be advised to report any suspicious activity they notice as a means of testing the military's effectiveness, said county law enforcement officials who had been briefed by the Army.

"They're going to set up cells of people and test how well they're able to move around without getting too noticed in the community," said Roy Boyd, chief deputy with the Victoria County Sheriff's Office. "They're testing their abilities to basically blend in with the local environment and not stand out and blow their cover."

Source

So that is worrisome...I guess all local LEO on the public lands that are taking place in this exercise had to give the OK for military to attempt to blend in with their normal citizens. I also find it odd that the chief deputy referenced these infiltration groups as "cells"....isn't that what government usually references terrorist groups as?

I was reading about this last night. My thoughts were similar to other post regarding their massive training camps and land available for "prepping" exercises. I agree with the idea that it's to test how stealthy they can be and how much society is really paying attention. I don't know if the whole lot of 1200 together will be maneuvering from state to state or whether they will be divided into groups and stay lengthy periods in each location. I do have to wonder how this plays into martial law though because martial law isn't a stealthy operation. It's forceful and large and overt. Wondering if the neighbor is sneaking out to have a one on one with a secret society? There is modern technology for that. Special eyewear, heat, sound and movement equipment etc. So I don't get the martial law spin. My last thought on this is wondering if it's more a test on us.

How easy is it for us to infiltrated by the enemy? How easily could an invasion by foreign individuals be completed with absolutely no awareness from within our communities. In our society of political correctness, I quite frankly believe it won't be difficult for them. Especially since so many spend time with their eyes glued to their phones, computers and game consoles.