Atheists and Agnostics don't believe in God but want spread their nothing word

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Religion (whichever one) has a lot of teachings. A lot of stories, morals and a lot of social and cultural impact that may interest someone who's on the other end of someone "preaching" Atheists probably live the same life as most religious people. But don't pray or attend church. That's not really preach worthy in my opinion.

Life has a lot of teachings. A lot of stories, etc etc.

Looking to, for answers, and worshiping a mystical being outside yourself - - - is debilitating.

Morality is humanity and common sense. I don't need a "go to man" . I have me.

Any "life" stories/teachings you tell will prove nothing of Atheism. Because Atheism has nothing to prove and nobody to prove itself to. It has no reason to get people "on board" because there is nothing to board. It's a choice of not believing in a higher power.

If you don't understand what atheism is about.

That's your issue.

I just said what it was about. And this post isn't about bashing religion and faith in God. So I don't know why that's got anything to do with it.

a reply to: MrConspiracy

You're the one who insists on calling it preaching and then say there isn't enough to make it worth preaching, when preaching isn't needed to have a social club.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Religion (whichever one) has a lot of teachings. A lot of stories, morals and a lot of social and cultural impact that may interest someone who's on the other end of someone "preaching" Atheists probably live the same life as most religious people. But don't pray or attend church. That's not really preach worthy in my opinion.

Life has a lot of teachings. A lot of stories, etc etc.

Looking to, for answers, and worshiping a mystical being outside yourself - - - is debilitating.

Morality is humanity and common sense. I don't need a "go to man" . I have me.

Any "life" stories/teachings you tell will prove nothing of Atheism. Because Atheism has nothing to prove and nobody to prove itself to. It has no reason to get people "on board" because there is nothing to board. It's a choice of not believing in a higher power.

If you don't understand what atheism is about.

That's your issue.

I just said what it was about. And this post isn't about bashing religion and faith in God. So I don't know why that's got anything to do with it.

You can't say what atheism is about, because you just don't get it.

Or don't want to.

dp

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Atheism has a voice. An they are 100% entitled to it. Preaching Atheism seems redundant though.

Define preaching.

To teach or to advise. How can you teach the word of Atheism? And what is there to advise? God isn't real? Ok now what?

Apparently one must be void of a brain or any thought if they are atheist.

God belief is apparently the only thing humans can share with other humans.

Don't remember saying that. Religion's have teachings. Atheism? God doesn't exist. What else is there to say? They may have things to talk about but... If they are preaching ATHEISM... there's really not much to preach.

Atheism doesn't mean "God doesn't exist." It means "I don't believe in God." There may be atheists that believe God doesn't exist, but there are also agnostic atheists that don't believe in a God while at the same time not knowing for certain.

And there is plenty to learn from atheists. There needs to be people speaking up about the devisive and irresponsible teachings of religion. If one person can try to pursuade people to be certain using blind faith, why can't another teach doubt using reason and critical thinking? Just because atheism is a lack of belief, doesn't mean there can't be value in trying to help others understand the whole train of thought.

Preaching doubt! We need much more of it in this world, IMO. Absolute certainty can be a dangerous thing sometimes.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Annee

Precisely. Life's too short to waste it worrying about what comes after it is over. Enjoy it while you have it, then worry about what happens after you die when you die.

It was really a drastic difference. What a burden God is.

And to be dumbed down with some of the most ridiculous myth beliefs - - - - its amazing humans have managed to get out of the stone ages.

Well granted belief in a myth isn't going to inhibit your ability to do your day to day tasks. Most people accept the myth as true then move on with things. It isn't until someone comes along that in order to do his job, he must question the myth does a problem arise.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: MrConspiracy

You're the one who insists on calling it preaching and then say there isn't enough to make it worth preaching, when preaching isn't needed to have a social club.

The OP called it preaching. I'm just trying to stay on topic

originally posted by: Reflection

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Atheism has a voice. An they are 100% entitled to it. Preaching Atheism seems redundant though.

Define preaching.

To teach or to advise. How can you teach the word of Atheism? And what is there to advise? God isn't real? Ok now what?

Apparently one must be void of a brain or any thought if they are atheist.

God belief is apparently the only thing humans can share with other humans.

Don't remember saying that. Religion's have teachings. Atheism? God doesn't exist. What else is there to say? They may have things to talk about but... If they are preaching ATHEISM... there's really not much to preach.

Atheism doesn't mean "God doesn't exist." It means "I don't believe in God." There may be atheists that believe God doesn't exist, but there are also agnostic atheists that don't believe in a God while at the same time not knowing for certain.

And there is plenty to learn from atheists. There needs to be people speaking up about the devisive and irresponsible teachings of religion. If one person can try to pursuade people to be certain using blind faith, why can't another teach doubt using reason and critical thinking? Just because atheism is a lack of belief, doesn't mean there can't be value in trying to help others understand the whole train of thought.

Preaching doubt! We need much more of it in this world, IMO. Absolute certainty can be a dangerous thing sometimes.

Why is it blind faith? It's just as blind as Atheism. Neither know for sure - you're very right about doubt!

Agnosticism is basically sitting on the fence. A higher power may exist. Or it may not. How can you be an agnostic atheist? Atheism believes in no higher power. Agnostics claim there might be but we just can't prove it therefore, there also may not be.

But the train of thought is a very short train journey. God doesn't exist because we can't see/experience God. Therefore life goes on without a "God" - Anything after that is down to personal beliefs. They may have their own theories about what life is and where it comes from but not all Atheists have the same ideas of the origins and meanings of life. Because they have nothing to work off other than God not existing.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Religion (whichever one) has a lot of teachings. A lot of stories, morals and a lot of social and cultural impact that may interest someone who's on the other end of someone "preaching" Atheists probably live the same life as most religious people. But don't pray or attend church. That's not really preach worthy in my opinion.

Life has a lot of teachings. A lot of stories, etc etc.

Looking to, for answers, and worshiping a mystical being outside yourself - - - is debilitating.

Morality is humanity and common sense. I don't need a "go to man" . I have me.

Any "life" stories/teachings you tell will prove nothing of Atheism. Because Atheism has nothing to prove and nobody to prove itself to. It has no reason to get people "on board" because there is nothing to board. It's a choice of not believing in a higher power.

If you don't understand what atheism is about.

That's your issue.

I just said what it was about. And this post isn't about bashing religion and faith in God. So I don't know why that's got anything to do with it.

You can't say what atheism is about, because you just don't get it.

Or don't want to.

I've said what Atheism is countless times. Perhaps you just don't want to listen. You've even guided me to a website which loosely explains a certain group of Atheists. I couldn't get much from it but it didn't teach me anything new about Atheism.

What do you want me to know? I'm happy to hear you out. I just don't think Atheism, by it's nature, has anything to tell anyone other than God not existing.

You can't talk about anything else that falls in to "Atheism" all Atheists have their own beliefs and ideas regarding the origin and meaning of life. They have no book/faith/religion/teachings to work from. They have the freedom to choose. Therefore, an Atheist who is preaching "ATHEISM" can only say God doesn't exist. Anything outside of that doesn't fall in to Atheism. It falls in to personal beliefs outside of the need of God.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Why is it blind faith? It's just as blind as Atheism. Neither know for sure - you're very right about doubt!

Agnosticism is basically sitting on the fence. A higher power may exist. Or it may not. How can you be an agnostic atheist? Atheism believes in no higher power. Agnostics claim there might be but we just can't prove it therefore, there also may not be.

But the train of thought is a very short train journey. God doesn't exist because we can't see/experience God. Therefore life goes on without a "God" - Anything after that is down to personal beliefs. They may have their own theories about what life is and where it comes from but not all Atheists have the same ideas of the origins and meanings of life. Because they have nothing to work off other than God not existing.

Atheism is the rejection of the claims made by theists for the existence of gods, it is not the assertion that gods no not exist. And the rejection of a claim is not itself a claim.

Agnosticism is this context is regarding claims of knowledge of the existence/non-existence of gods, both of which are irrelevant in regards to atheism.

Why do people insist on creating their own definitions of words and then constructing a faulty argument around them?

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Why is it blind faith? It's just as blind as Atheism. Neither know for sure - you're very right about doubt!

Agnosticism is basically sitting on the fence. A higher power may exist. Or it may not. How can you be an agnostic atheist? Atheism believes in no higher power. Agnostics claim there might be but we just can't prove it therefore, there also may not be.

But the train of thought is a very short train journey. God doesn't exist because we can't see/experience God. Therefore life goes on without a "God" - Anything after that is down to personal beliefs. They may have their own theories about what life is and where it comes from but not all Atheists have the same ideas of the origins and meanings of life. Because they have nothing to work off other than God not existing.

Atheism is the rejection of the claims made by theists for the existence of gods, it is not the assertion that gods no not exist. And the rejection of a claim is not itself a claim.

Agnosticism is this context is regarding claims of knowledge of the existence/non-existence of gods, both of which are irrelevant in regards to atheism.

Why do people insist on creating their own definitions of words and then constructing a faulty argument around them?

That doesn't work. If someone says God exists. Then an Atheist says they don't. They're saying that they don't believe God exists. If Atheism = disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. They don't believe God exists. Therefore, to them, God doesn't exist. What else do you want? If they reject that God's DO exist. They are insinuating they don't.....

My mention of Agnosticism was a response to someone who called people "Agnostic Atheists" which didn't work.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Why is it blind faith? It's just as blind as Atheism. Neither know for sure - you're very right about doubt!

Agnosticism is basically sitting on the fence. A higher power may exist. Or it may not. How can you be an agnostic atheist? Atheism believes in no higher power. Agnostics claim there might be but we just can't prove it therefore, there also may not be.

But the train of thought is a very short train journey. God doesn't exist because we can't see/experience God. Therefore life goes on without a "God" - Anything after that is down to personal beliefs. They may have their own theories about what life is and where it comes from but not all Atheists have the same ideas of the origins and meanings of life. Because they have nothing to work off other than God not existing.

Atheism is the rejection of the claims made by theists for the existence of gods, it is not the assertion that gods no not exist. And the rejection of a claim is not itself a claim.

Agnosticism is this context is regarding claims of knowledge of the existence/non-existence of gods, both of which are irrelevant in regards to atheism.

Why do people insist on creating their own definitions of words and then constructing a faulty argument around them?

That doesn't work. If someone says God exists. Then an Atheist says they don't. They're saying that they don't believe God exists. If Atheism = disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. They don't believe God exists. Therefore, to them, God doesn't exist. What else do you want? If they reject that God's DO exist. They are insinuating they don't.....

My mention of Agnosticism was a response to someone who called people "Agnostic Atheists" which didn't work.

If 'belief' and 'believe' meant the same thing, you'd be correct....

a reply to: MrConspiracy

Oh but wait. If gods exist, science would tell us so, because as all science lovers know, the scope of science is unlimited and scientists are honest. So this is a job for science. Therefore gods either fall within its domain or don't exist.

And now the door is open to preach the virtues of scientific rationality and the evils of superstition.

👣

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

originally posted by: Prezbo369

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Why is it blind faith? It's just as blind as Atheism. Neither know for sure - you're very right about doubt!

Agnosticism is basically sitting on the fence. A higher power may exist. Or it may not. How can you be an agnostic atheist? Atheism believes in no higher power. Agnostics claim there might be but we just can't prove it therefore, there also may not be.

But the train of thought is a very short train journey. God doesn't exist because we can't see/experience God. Therefore life goes on without a "God" - Anything after that is down to personal beliefs. They may have their own theories about what life is and where it comes from but not all Atheists have the same ideas of the origins and meanings of life. Because they have nothing to work off other than God not existing.

Atheism is the rejection of the claims made by theists for the existence of gods, it is not the assertion that gods no not exist. And the rejection of a claim is not itself a claim.

Agnosticism is this context is regarding claims of knowledge of the existence/non-existence of gods, both of which are irrelevant in regards to atheism.

Why do people insist on creating their own definitions of words and then constructing a faulty argument around them?

That doesn't work. If someone says God exists. Then an Atheist says they don't. They're saying that they don't believe God exists. If Atheism = disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. They don't believe God exists. Therefore, to them, God doesn't exist. What else do you want? If they reject that God's DO exist. They are insinuating they don't.....

My mention of Agnosticism was a response to someone who called people "Agnostic Atheists" which didn't work.

If 'belief' and 'believe' meant the same thing, you'd be correct....

They challenge a belief in God by stating there is no God or no need for a God.... Therefore they have no belief in God. Therefore they are stating that, in their beliefs, God does not exist.

People can use words and and definitions all they want. Atheists claim there is no higher power. Theists believe in a higher power. I have NO idea what you're trying to suggest?

originally posted by: BlueMule
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Oh but wait. If gods exist, science would tell us so, because as all science lovers know, the scope of science is unlimited and scientists are honest. So this is a job for science. Therefore gods either fall within its domain or don't exist.

And now the door is open to preach the virtues of scientific rationality and the evils of superstition.

👣

Then preach Science. Not Atheism. I'm with you, preaching Science seems pretty solid.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
They challenge a belief in God by stating there is no God or no need for a God.... Therefore they have no belief in God. Therefore they are stating that, in their beliefs, God does not exist.

That is not the atheist position, it's merely the rejection of the clams made by theists. If the theists have not met their burden of proof, have not presented enough evidence for their claims, it can be rejected. This rejection is not the positive claim that gods do not exist, just that theists have not met the burden of proof.

People can use words and and definitions all they want. Atheists claim there is no higher power. Theists believe in a higher power. I have NO idea what you're trying to suggest?

Again you change the meanings to fit your argument. All that's required in order for someone to fit the atheist description is the lack of belief in gods, nothing more nothing less.

originally posted by: BlueMule
a reply to: MrConspiracy

Oh but wait. If gods exist, science would tell us so, because as all science lovers know, the scope of science is unlimited and scientists are honest. So this is a job for science. Therefore gods either fall within its domain or don't exist.

And now the door is open to preach the virtues of scientific rationality and the evils of superstition.

👣

No if gods existed there'd surely be evidence, or at least a good reason to think they did.

Without either it's entirely rational to reject the claims that they do exist until/unless further evidence arises.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy

Then preach Science. Not Atheism. I'm with you, preaching Science seems pretty solid.

You don't preach education.

originally posted by: Prezbo369

No if gods existed there'd surely be evidence, or at least a good reason to think they did.

What sort of evidence? I mean, what kind of evidence would an analysis of world religion and myth lead you to expect to find, if gods exist?

Fossil remains of gods?

Fingerprints?

Photographs?

A god on the White House lawn?

👣

originally posted by: Reflection
Atheism doesn't mean "God doesn't exist." It means "I don't believe in God." There may be atheists that believe God doesn't exist, but there are also agnostic atheists that don't believe in a God while at the same time not knowing for certain.

Stephen Fry, for example.
He's openly stated that he doesn't believe there can't possibly be a God, he believes that there is no evidence to suggest there is one, while there is plenty of evidence to suggest that there isn't one.

Logic and reason are the enemies of the cultist.

Blind faith is ignorant in the extreme, the belief in unfounded and unproven things for which there is a wealth of evidence against is lunacy.

We call people mentally ill when they believe that purple Hedgehogs from Mars are eating their Cheerios in the night, but there is no more evidence for God than there is for those purple Hedgehogs from Mars, yet somehow belief in "him" is deemed valid.

Like it or not, this is the reality we live in, a culture where delusion passes as "truth" by many, and where their delusion is deemed to be a valid reason to abuse and attack those who don't succumb to their insanity.