Atheists and Agnostics don't believe in God but want spread their nothing word

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: grandmakdw

My point was that to describe someone as an atheist is to say they lack belief/have the rejected the claims made by theists, and that's all it is.

Depends on the type of Atheist...

Gnostic Atheists have a belief system through and through!

You find me a gnostic atheist or heck an gnostic theist for that matter, and i'll show you someone slightly insane.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: maxzen2004

I challenge anyone to claim that they dont place there faith or offer up a little prayer to some form of deity before departing on any associated plane journey, even if its only to the machine god that is the aircraft. Especially so these days.

Keep in mind I say this as an agnostic but... wouldn't the opposite typically tend to be true? When my extremely devout Irish Catholic grandmother was dying of cancer, she opted to stop life prolonging treatments because she was going home to god and what was waiting for her in heaven gave her all the comfort she needed to have no fear of passing to whatever comes next.
Nope. Don't do that! Pointless!
Atheists tend not to fear death as believers do! maybe because they know that the end is the end!

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: maxzen2004

I challenge anyone to claim that they dont place there faith or offer up a little prayer to some form of deity before departing on any associated plane journey, even if its only to the machine god that is the aircraft. Especially so these days.

Nope. Don't do that! Pointless!
Atheists tend not to fear death as believers do! maybe because they know that the end is the end!

How do "they know" such a thing!?!


How can you claim such as the above and say it's not a belief system?



Hypo...
Crisy...

Because they not blind minded (stupid)!

When you don't believe in any religion and death is the end thus nothing then there is nothing to believe in thus no belief system exists, only nothing!!!

So their belief is that nothing awaits...


How is your argument designed to convince people it's not a belief system!?!




Who's "stupid"!?!

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I would say militant atheists hold a strong stance rather than faith, which has religious overtones.

But then again, I've been known to argue milk chocolate vs. dark chocolate. As long as I'm served a righteous creme brulee and a decent cup of coffee, it's all dessert to me.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Look at the other discussion I'm having...


You'll find your man!

My reading comprehension failed...

Apologies Maria!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Prezbo369

Look at the other discussion I'm having...


You'll find your man!

Seems that's regarding the afterlife or lack of it and not the existence of gods. I realize the two issues can be combined but I'm not sure that's the case there.

a reply to: maxzen2004

That avatar is making my mouth water and I do not even drink, Seriously I do agree though many of them are more militant in there anti belief - belief system than most religious people.

I can understand the agnostic's though as they simply neither believe or disbelieve but the atheist have an actual belief system no matter how hard they try to deny that, a belief there is not a god is no more valid nor any less a belief system than a belief there is a god.

I would say the problem is more with militant atheism than agnosticism, in fact may atheists used to be faithful before deciding they hate god and want to hurt him for not giving them that tricycle they wanted as a kid.

I do believe in God and am a Christian but nevertheless I had to comment because sure as egg's they will be all over this trying to tear you down with cleverly constructed but hollow argument's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I can understand the agnostic's though as they simply neither believe or disbelieve but the atheist have an actual belief system no matter how hard they try to deny that, a belief there is not a god is no more valid nor any less a belief system than a belief there is a god.

is the scientific method a belief system now? huh.

a reply to: maxzen2004

who stands in airports " preaching atheism " ?

i cannot watch CNN so could you elaborate ??

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I don't have cable either, but I found the CNN video on youtube which I am about 20 minutes into. So far, no atheists in airports but it is still pretty interesting. I feel bad for the kid that has parents that say he is a dead person because he doesn't believe what they do. Parents like that are a bit insane IMO.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: LABTECH767

I can understand the agnostic's though as they simply neither believe or disbelieve but the atheist have an actual belief system no matter how hard they try to deny that, a belief there is not a god is no more valid nor any less a belief system than a belief there is a god.

is the scientific method a belief system now? huh.

The scientific method begets a narrative. Here it is in a form that can be shouted from rooftops and soapboxes.



The mystical method, since it is much older, has beget many narratives. We call them religions.

This is narrative vs narrative, not belief vs a lack of belief. Each side pushes the narrative that is compatible with them.

The scientific method has a mythology in orbit around it. It is the comic-book/sci-fi genre. The quintessential TV atheist, Sheldon Cooper, is a devotee.

The mystical method has many mythologies in orbit around it too. The ancient mythologem is God.

Religion is to God as the comic-book/sci-fi genre is to science. The modern space-age mythologem is ET.

It's a controversial claim, but I stand by it.

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What happened to the OP? Did he post this then just run away so he doesn't have to back up his flimsy reasoning?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

I imagine even Atheists fear plunging into the ground like a lawn dart from 30,000ft, whether or not they care admit it or otherwise.

Here's what I think when I feel in danger.

"Did I raise my kids to be independant, self reliant, and think intelligently".

Without going into semantics ... we don't really have an adequate term for the viewpoint of an a-theist because almost every construction in English is based ultimately on the word belief.

Compare:

1. "I believe that if I drop this 10# weight here in my office in North America on 3/2/7/2015 it will free fall for about 3 ft and land on the floor."

2. "When I drop this 10# weight here in my office in North America on 3/2/7/2015 it will free fall for about 3 ft and land on the floor."

#1 is a belief that can be directly confirmed by experience; #2 is a fact.

The premise that everything known to humanity is in essence a belief is the mistake here.

I don't believe that gravity works, I know.

Belief is not knowing.

Knowing is not belief.

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If any believer is actually trying to understand the perspective of an atheist, this is the best means I've ever seen argued:

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." (Stephen F. Roberts)

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: maxzen2004

I think Satanist use the Atheist veil to hide their real agenda.

Ah....

And now we get down to the true reason why you made this thread.

You believe all atheists are actually satanists deep down inside with a secret hidden agenda... or is it just the ones standing on their soapboxes in airports ?

Satan is the "Yang" of the God "Ying" ----- so to speak.

An atheist can not be a Satanist.

originally posted by: maria_stardust
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I would say militant atheists hold a strong stance rather than faith, which has religious overtones.

But then again, I've been known to argue milk chocolate vs. dark chocolate. As long as I'm served a righteous creme brulee and a decent cup of coffee, it's all dessert to me.

I can't really argue with any of that honestly. Using the word Faith isn't the best verbiage.

And I'm a Dark Chocolate kind of guy...80% or nothin'



~Tenth

a reply to: Annee

What do you mean feel danger? I ask simply because there is a difference between the experience of such and the notion you may be in danger.

In a dangerous situation your the fight or flight response simply takes over and dictates ones response simply due to the nature of our species.

a reply to: maxzen2004

Atheists "preach" as a push back to the Christian method of conversion that they despise . Its to piss off Christians more than anything.

a reply to: maxzen2004

" Agnostics " ...... Ah , you Might want to Look Up the Definition of that Particular Word . The Non Belief in Organized Religion has Nothing to do with Personal Faith in a Supreme Being .